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July 1st, 2020 14:00

Upgrading GPU in Optiplex 990 DT

I'm trying to convert an Optiplex 990 (Desktop) into an entry-level gaming system. I plan to mostly run DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) and other high-detail flight sims which require high FPS and refresh rates. Since the DT is a low-profile housing I'm having trouble finding a performance GPU that will fit. Can anyone tell me what "specifically" I need to be searching for online? Even if the GPU requires more Watts than it has on-board (250W) I have an external 500W PSU on the way and don't mind leaving the side cover off. Anyone that can help please chime in as I've already ordered 2-Video Cards and neither of them fit...PLEASE HELP!!!! 

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August 22nd, 2020 17:00

You're right about the bottleneck.  The top CPU for your 990, the I7-2600, would also bottleneck a GTX 1650.

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If you want to keep the GTX 1650, I'd go with a 7020 or 9020 with an I7-4770 in it.  There's also slight variations of that I7.  Whatever you do, go with an MT.

The Optiplex generations newer than the 7010/7020/9010/9020 have small PSU's due to MT's being smaller.  At best, they can take a 75w card or less.

You're definitely still welcome to look into GPU pairings with newer Optiplex's.  Spec Sheets can be downloaded.  They have listed GPU's.  There's model #'s like 3050, 5070, 7070, and so on.  But they get pretty expensive.

If you want to go beyond the GTX 1650, then I suggest either an XPS or Precision.  Refurbs are numerous like the Optiplex.  You could even go into one of those forums in Dell Community, with games listed, and ask what to pick out if you want.  Can them XPS's and Precisions ever come with high powered PSU's.

There's also the new G5.  The mini tower is still smaller, but it's PSU's are higher powered and it's geared toward gaming.  It's PSU wattage doesn't really compare to XPS or Precision with full-sized PSU's.

Hopefully I gave you what you need to make an informed decision.  Others may chime in as well.

I believe your 1650 will perform better with a better CPU.  1650 also has a SUPER version as well as the 1660.  Both would require a PSU upgrade.

Below is a Flight Simulator 2020 minimum requirements screengrab.  I'll let you compare the GTX 770 with the 1650 and so on.

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July 1st, 2020 15:00

geforce GT1030 should work, if it meets the speed needed for that game. Get the low profile version, Also make sure it's GDDR5 (the ddr4 versions are too slow to consider). You might not even need to replace the PSU, but always good to have spare parts on hand.

Brad will see this post soon and he may well have better ideas, as he's pretty knowledgeable on gpu cards. Wait a while before you commit to ordering anything.

 

 

 

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July 1st, 2020 21:00

Sure enough, Brad saw this thread.

What exact CPU do you have?  Goal is have best pairing of GPU and CPU so there isn't bottleneck issues.

Also, what GPU's did you try that didn't fit?

August 22nd, 2020 13:00

Hello Brad, sorry for the long delayed follow-up, I am running an i5-2500 @ 3.3GHz (2011 model) with an MSI GTX 1650 OC, after running bottleneck test it is 21.97% and too weak for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. I have 32GB of Ram and running a Samsung 1TB SSD...but still, maxing out the CPU. Can you tell me if a higher grade i7 would work and how high I can go i7- ####?

Thanks in advance for your help!

August 22nd, 2020 14:00

Further to the question, if a better i5 is the best I can do I just want to make sure it will pair best with the MSI GTX 1650 OC that I have. Not really sure what will pair best with it as I've got the best I could find to fit the Low Profile case and Mini-ATX motherboard. 

Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated!

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August 22nd, 2020 18:00

The GTX 770 is 230w.  In an Optiplex, it would be best paired with an EVGA 700-750w B1 or BR PSU.  Corsair is also a good brand.  Minimum PSU Nvidia recommends is 600w.  Speedstep typically goes higher to make sure there's enough power on the 3.3v & 5v rails.  Aftermarket PSU's can boast more wattage, but many skimp on those rails as compared to Dell, and then they don't work.  Speedstep might even chime in and suggest/recommend EVGA 800-850w B1 or BR PSU if you go with the GTX 770.  And of course, with a DT, it would have to sit outside the case.

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August 22nd, 2020 20:00

WOW!!! I cannot begin to thank you enough for such a thorough and well explained answer Brad, you really went out of your way to help me understand JUST what I needed to know. I'm computer savvy, but no programmer, so this info is absolutely PRICELESS and going to save me alot of trouble as I went through 3 GPU's before I found the right one to fit.....I'm a slow learner, lol. I'll let you know how it goes, I'm jumping on ebay to pick-up the I7-4770 right now. You rock man!!!!!!!!!!!

August 22nd, 2020 20:00

Last question Brad, is a "K" an option to possible overclock? Or just stick with standard, no letter's after? And will a 4th GEN work? I would want to get the newest possible I would think. But if it won't make any difference i'll just grab the cheapest I find. 

 

Thanks again my friend!

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August 22nd, 2020 21:00

I'd be remiss if I forgot to mention the rarer XE2.  The MT comes with 365w PSU and the SFF* 315w.  *But the space is tighter.

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August 22nd, 2020 21:00

Glad you're happy with the answer(s).

Naturally, I hope you meant picking up a PC with the I7-4770, as the 990 can't take 4th gen.

Optiplex BIOS doesn't have an OC option, so go with the non-K version.  An Optiplex will still take a 'K', but you won't notice a difference in performance as compared to non-K.  If the base and turbo GHz isn't the same, it's too close anyway to notice the difference.

I'm not a computer programmer.  I learned some in high school in 1992.  It took hundreds to thousands of commands just to make a pixilated picture of a ship with smoke coming out it on an Apple.  So I knew it wasn't for me to pursue.  I have enjoyed working on and modifying my own PC's, including a successful rebuild of a notorious Gateway Profile 4 all-in-one some years ago.  I switched to Dell due to using them in the workplace and liking them.

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August 23rd, 2020 13:00

I think you might've missed it though - a 990 can't take an I7-4770.  The 7020 & 9020 can.  I almost thought you might order one of those 2.  I used to say there's many good deals on refurbs, but it looks like they've gone up since the pandemic.  Many also come with SSD's now.  Amazon is usually a little higher than ebay because they have "renewed."

 

August 23rd, 2020 13:00

It's truly appreciat it Brad, I've ordered the 4770 on ebay and will come back with feedback once I've installed and run some new benchmarks and test for FPS in the Flight Sim. Fingers crossed it'll be enough, if not I'll just shelf the sim until I'm ready to upgrade to a better PC. All other games are running just fine even at 20fps. 

August 23rd, 2020 14:00

Ah, sorry Brad, I cancelled the order, yes, I did miss that. I was looking at the bottleneck test and thought you were showing it would work, but now I see what you mean as MT being "Mini Tower". So you're saying there is no way for me to upgrade to anything on this DT at all to make the GTX 1650 work without upgrading the entire system then?

 

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August 23rd, 2020 17:00

Right.

You could still upgrade to the top CPU for the 990, the I7-2600, but remember the screengrab?  You'll still have bottleneck, just less of it.  If you're budget is understandably too tight, you could still try the I7-2600 and see how it performs with the 1650, but no guarantees.

You probably know, theres other 990's with the 1650.  The 1st video does give specs right away - I7-2600 for one.  (SFF's went the ones that came up when I tried for DT.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cBavF6PMKZ8

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August 23rd, 2020 18:00

That’s exactly what I’m going to try, it’s worth a shot and running 32GB of RAM even at 10.1% (just a hair over) it may get me within range where it says “You’re good”, lol. Even 9.6-7 would be like you said would be WAY better than what I’m currently getting on bottleneck.

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