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Dual monitors
Hello everyone,
I'm looking for a solution that allows me to have two external monitors (so, except the laptop one).
I have a Precision 7730 with a Nvidia Quadro P3200 as a graphic board.
On the rear panel, the laptop has one HDMI port and one minidisplay port. Can I use both of them or am I forced to have a docking station?
And if I can use them, is there any difference in resolution between the ports? Assuming that I have to connect two identical monitors.
Thank you for your help!
Francesco
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jphughan
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January 8th, 2021 11:00
@francescorossato Yes, you can use the Mini-DisplayPort and HDMI outputs simultaneously. In terms of capabilities, unfortunately Dell's Setup and Specifications document for that system doesn't specify the HDMI and DP revisions supported by those ports, but based on the age of the system, the DP output would support at least DP 1.2 for 4K 60 Hz and the HDMI output would support at least HDMI 1.4 for QHD/1440p 60 Hz (or 4K 30 Hz). It's possible that the Mini-DP output would support DP 1.4 for up to 5K 60 Hz (or 8K 30 Hz) and that the HDMI output would support HDMI 2.0 for up to 4K 60 Hz, but those seem less likely. And in order to run anything above 4K 60 Hz, you'd need to enable a BIOS option that allows the discrete GPU to take direct control of the display outputs. By default, the Intel GPU controls the display outputs and the NVIDIA GPU operates only when its performance is needed, and then only as a render-only device through a technology called NVIDIA Optimus.
If you do decide you want a dock, the only fully functional choice would be the WD19DC (or technically its predecessor the TB18DC, but that's outdated now). Those are the only docks that can supply the amount of power needed to run your system optimally since they connect to two USB-C/TB3 ports on the system. Other docks won't provide that much power, so if you used them, you'd have to connect your system's power supply directly as well if you wanted to maintain optimal performance.
jphughan
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January 9th, 2021 07:00
@francescorossato Ah ok, I was looking at that document in the section that showed the rear of the system and labeled the ports there. Normally more information is provided there, but not on this one. I didn’t jump down to the specifications table section.
The multiple interface portion refers only to using multiple interfaces to drive a single display. That is a very rare setup and only occurs with 8K 60 Hz displays and previously with 5K 60 Hz displays before DP 1.4 arrived, since in that case dual DP 1.2 interfaces was required. But it would NOT mean that those ports can ONLY be combined to run a single display, in fact it would not be possible to mix mDP and HDMI to run the same display. My expectation is that you would be able to use mDP, HDMI, and USB-C/TB3 all simultaneously to run 3 separate displays if you wanted to do that. There are some Latitude laptops that have 3 video output connectors but only allow 2 of them to be used at the same time, but I would be very surprised if a limitation like that existed on a Precision 7000 Series system.
Another possibility is running multiple displays just from one port. The mDP and USB-C ports both use DisplayPort protocol for video output, which means you can use them to either create a daisy chain (if you use a display that has a DisplayPort output to set that up) or you can use an MST hub that would give you multiple outputs even though it only connects to a single port on the system. I have two Dell U2717D displays that I run as a daisy chain. However, when using a daisy chain, the bandwidth requirements of the entire chain must be within what that single output can support. It’s just a convenient setup because it means you only have to deal with one cable connected to the system rather than two.
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January 8th, 2021 09:00
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francescorossato
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January 8th, 2021 12:00
Hy @jphughan
Thank you for your detailed answer!
It seems that the system supports Mini-DP 1.4 and HDMI 2.0.
However, looking for system specification, the maximum resolution for a NVIDIA Quadro P3200 graphic board is:
Digital max:
• One DisplayPort 1.4 -
7.680x4.320 (8k) 30 Hz
(mDP/From TypeC to DP)
• Two DisplayPort 1.4 -
7.680x4.320 (8k) 60 Hz
(mDP/From TypeC to DP)
What does this mean? Why HDMI is not mentioned?
jphughan
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January 8th, 2021 13:00
@francescorossato Happy to help. 7680x4320 is 8K. Note that when using only a single output, you can only get 8K 30 Hz -- but if you run dual DP 1.4 interfaces to the display, thereby doubling your bandwidth, you can get 8K 60 Hz. However, those resolutions and that ability to use multiple interfaces to drive a single display are only possible when the NVIDIA GPU has direct control of the display outputs. Precision 7000 Series systems from the 7x20 onward have a BIOS option to control that. It used to be called "Graphics special mode", but it may be something different now. And if you want the NVIDIA GPU to control even the built-in display, you can disable Switchable Graphics entirely, but in most cases that's not desirable.
In terms of why HDMI isn't mentioned, I'm not sure because I don't even know where you found the information that you did. The Setup and Specifications document I referred to in my original reply is available on support.dell.com. If the information you posted is just from looking at NVIDIA's specs for that GPU, be aware that the features a GPU supports and the features that are available as implemented in a particular vendor's system do not always align.
francescorossato
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January 9th, 2021 04:00
@jphughan thank you.
I found the information in the Dell Precision 7730 Installation and Specification Guide, available on support.dell.com as you did.
On first impression, I thought this meant something like "you can set a multiple interface using two Mini-DP ports, but you can't do this using a Mini-DP and an HDMI port".
In the same guide, HDMI are mentioned reported to different graphic boards, such as Radeon Pro WX 7100 or Radeon Pro WX 4150, so this is why I started to have doubts.
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January 11th, 2021 04:00
@jphughan really appreciated it!!
I was just trying to understand the meaning of "daisy chain", so thank you once again for the well detailed description of this method.
Unfortunately, HDMI doesn't support it, so I should use the mDP port or, as an alternative, a USB-C port. This is not an issue, in truth.
Anyway, now I'll try to find what will be the best solution for us.
Thank you!