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May 4th, 2008 18:00

Laptop HD not recognized in USB enclosure

Inspiron 5150 Laptop

XP Pro 

Fujitsu MHT2060AT PL 60MB HD

NexStar-3 External 2.5" HD Enclosure (USB 2.0)

 

My laptop has been extremely sluggish and off-kilter for months now (my CPU spikes to 100% while using basic web and MS apps, applications randomly crash and give me memory allocation errors, my fan rarely shuts off, and more) and I can't pinpoint the issue, though I suspect O/S and/or file system corruption, so it's long past time for a clean install. However, I *MUST* keep my original hard drive accessible until such time as I'm 100% sure that all my important data files have been manually transferred to the newly installed system.

 

So, I bought a new hard drive to install in my laptop and do a clean XP install, and also bought an external 2.5" HD enclosure so that I can keep my original hard drive as a secondary/backup drive.

 

While my NEW hard drive works just fine in the enclosure, I cannot get my original hard drive to be recognized in it, either when connected to my laptop or to a Dell desktop. The enclosure powers up, but XP never assigns the drive a letter.

 

The documentation provided with the enclosure says either a corrupt drive or an incorrectly partitioned drive may not be recognized by Windows. While the drive itself does not appear to be corrupt since it does work in my laptop, I do have the sluggishness issues with an unknown source. Also, the drive has Dell's initial install, including its 31MB FAT partition.

 

So, some questions:

 

1) Could the XP or file system issue be causing my HD not to be recognized in the enclosure even though it works in my laptop?

 

2) Could the 31MB FAT partition be causing the drive not to be recognized in the enclosure?

 

3) If neither of these should be causing this, can anyone recommend some troubleshooting steps that I can take to determine why my drive isn't be recognized?

 

I greatly appreciate any assistance, and I will be glad to provide additional info as needed. I have been living with this horrendous sluggishness for way too long and am ready to throw my laptop against the wall, so I really need to get this resolved ASAP :-)

 

Thanks!

 

Message Edited by efweb on 05-04-2008 03:56 PM

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May 4th, 2008 19:00

Yes.  As I said, it works with the new hard drive, just not with my original hard drive (I tried both connected to the same Dell desktop running XP).

 

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May 4th, 2008 19:00

ah1f,

 

I appreciate you responding, but you are misunderstanding my post and the situation.

 

My original hard drive is not dead and I use it daily in my laptop. It does have problems that can probably be attributed to O/S or file system corruption, but I don't think there's anything physically wrong with the hard drive itself.

 

I cannot do a clean install on the original hard drive. I must keep the data files intact. I have over 10GB of files in My Documents alone, plus other data files in other folders that would need to be backed up. It's too much to back up to a thumb drive, I don't want to back up to my NEW hard drive since that's the one I want to do a clean install on, and I'm not going to buy more hardware at this point.

 

I need my original drive to work as-is in the enclosure. I need to understand why it currently won't.

 

So if anyone else can help with some useful troubleshooting steps, please, I'm all ears.


Thank you.

Message Edited by efweb on 05-04-2008 04:44 PM
Message Edited by efweb on 05-04-2008 04:44 PM

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May 4th, 2008 19:00

If the old drive still works in the computer you can try reinstalling it, transferring the files you need then switch them back. Unfortunately it sounds like your old drive may have died completely.

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May 4th, 2008 19:00

Have you installed the XP drivers for the enclosure? XP does not always recognize external drives without new drivers.

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May 4th, 2008 20:00

Can you please explain why you think the hard drive is dying?  A bad drive was the last thing on my mind, so I'm trying to understand why you think this is the case before I go doing something that could potentially cause further instability.  Thanks.

 

 

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May 4th, 2008 20:00

The description of the symptoms, the fact that this system runs very hot, which kills drives readily, and the fact that the drive is as old as it is all point to a drive developing bad sectors.

 

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May 4th, 2008 20:00

"While my NEW hard drive works just fine in the enclosure, I cannot get my original hard drive to be recognized in it, either when connected to my laptop or to a Dell desktop. The enclosure powers up, but XP never assigns the drive a letter."

 

 

Since you say it will boot in the system, put it there, and back it up somehow - to an external drive, CD, DVD, etc.

 

Then run the extended diagnostics on the drive - I'll bet it's dying.

 

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May 4th, 2008 20:00

Did you run an extended diagnostic on the hard drive?  Given the nature of the system and its age, the drive is very, very much suspect hardware-wise.

 

Try the drive on another system - if it won't read there, it's very likely dying rapidly.  If you can't get another system to read it, and you need the data, you're in for an expensive ride with a data recovery service.

 

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May 4th, 2008 20:00

ejn63  - I have no access to another laptop to try this drive in.  But again, as I said, the drive *DOES* work when installed in my laptop.  The drive is not dead, and I don't need data recovery at this point.  I just need to get the drive to work in the enclosure.

 

 

 

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May 4th, 2008 21:00

Where do I find the extended diagnostics utility?  And what are the chances of it causing further problems with the hard drive if there are already issues?

 

It probably sounds like I've never backed up my system, which is not the case -- I already back up my most important files.  I would just prefer to do a *complete* back up before I start doing things that may accelerate losing the entire hard drive, but I need to figure out the best way to do that.  If I have file system issues, then I don't want to transfer those issues to my new hard drive or to another computer system, so I'm doing a lot of manual file copying.

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May 4th, 2008 21:00

F12 at powerup, Dell diagnostics.

 

Yes, if the drive is indeed dying, the more you use it, the greater your chances of losing everything.

 

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May 5th, 2008 06:00

Extended diagnostic is complete after a very long 3 hours.

Not a single error reported.

 

So back to my original question... how do I troubleshoot why my hard drive, which works in my laptop, is not recognized when in an external enclosure? Could the FAT partition have anything to do with this? If not, then what else could possibly be causing it?


Thanks in advance for any other suggestions.
Message Edited by efweb on 05-05-2008 03:03 AM

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May 5th, 2008 10:00

If the drive works as internal, but not external, I suspect a faulty external case - either that, or it's not getting enough power to spin the drive (again, that could be a faulty case or faulty USB cable).

 

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May 5th, 2008 12:00

External case works just fine with the NEW hard drive that I purchased to replace my original hard drive.  I'm also using dual USB plugs, which I understand provides the power needed.

 

Please, if anyone has any TROUBLESHOOTING steps that I can take to determine what might be going wrong, I would greatly appreciate the assistance!

 

Thank you. 

 

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May 5th, 2008 14:00

Is it possible that the old HDD is PATA and your external enclosure is SATA or something like that?  XP does not require any drivers to recognize external hard drives.  They are pure plug-and-play.  So, something else is at work here.

 

When you removed the old drive from the laptop, did you take the blade connector at its back and transfer it to the new hard drive?  The old drive needs to go into the external enclosure without this connector and your new hard drive needs to go into the laptop with this connector.

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