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XPS 8930, Case Swap, CPU Liquid Cooler temps, Upgrade summary

 

After a month of daily use of this machine, I want to share the outcome of this successful case swap into a Phanteks Eclipse P350X case.

 

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Machine has been running perfectly with no startup, shutdown or sleep issues as a result of the required workarounds necessary for the successful case swap. 

CPU temps are typically around 30 C at idle and the mid 50 C’s under testing loads with the Corsair H60 CPU cooler and noise levels acceptable with the final fan configuration.  What is significant with this case swap was the decision to fix the speed of the fan on the CPU cooler radiator rather than connect it to the CPU FAN header and allow the motherboard to control the fan speeds and CPU temps.  The drop in CPU temps is significant with the fixed speed fan.

The cost of a case swap would be the cost of the case + USB 3.0 PCI-E card.  

The upside of the case swap is that you are no longer limited by the stock XPS 8930 chassis in regards to CPU cooling, GPU cooling, fan noise, and drive placement.

You have the ability to add an air cooled or liquid cooled CPU cooler of your choice, use additional fans for cooling, have multiple hard drive and SSD placements, and add optional LED’s to your liking. 

I have received PM's and not into doing videos.  So the steps to a successful case swap for the XPS 8930 are summarized here from the original thread where a lot of information was shared.  

https://www.dell.com/community/XPS-Desktops/XPS-8930-GPU-and-CPU-Liquid-Cooler-PSU-Case-Swap-Upgrade/td-p/6137280/highlight/true

 

Phanteks Eclipse P350X

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https://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P350X.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJEaKt7zv5o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3tjSCJY7s

 

Case Swap Summary:

 

I did three successful case swaps to test different cases to see if the same issues arose with each swap

 

Fractal Design Meshify C Mini Dark TG

Test build using stock fans on the GPU rear exhaust and CPU upper intake cooler radiators, stock Fractal fans as lower intake and upper exhaust.  A 240mm radiator CPU cooler will fit in front as long as the GPU isn't much longer than the 10.5" GPU shown in this case. 

 

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NZXT H500

Test build using stock fans on the GPU rear exhaust and CPU upper intake cooler radiators, stock NZXT fans as lower intake and upper exhaust.  CPU radiator mounted in front of chassis under front bezel.  No issues with 240mm radiator CPU cooler in that front position.  A 280mm radiator will fit but the bottom part of the radiator will drop down slightly into the opening at the front of the lower shroud.  

 

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Phanteks P350X

Initial test build using stock fans for the GPU rear exhaust and CPU upper intake cooler radiators. Stock Phanteks fan as lower intake.  Two Noctua slim 15mm fans (from XPS 8930 CPU liquid cooler mod) as upper exhaust.   Installing a 240mm radiator CPU cooler is no problem in this case.

 

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With each case swap there are four specifics workarounds necessary for a successful case swap:

  • USB connector from the XPS 8930 top IO panel, both blue connector and black connector installed on the motherboard. Blue to blue connector.  Black to black connector.
  • SD card connector from the IO panel to the motherboard Card Reader header
  • Jumper on motherboard front panel header on pins 5 and 9.
  • PCIE USB 3.0 card with a 20 pin USB 3.0 header onboard. Connect the top panel USB connector on the new case to the USB header on the installed PCIE USB 3.0 card.  

 

On this closeup from the Phanteks P350X picture note:
-The two USB connectors entering the case to the right of the GPU for connection to the black and blue motherboard USB headers. The USB connectors are from the XPS 8930 IO Panel hidden under the PSU shroud. 
-The red PCI-E USB 3.0 card, under the GPU at the back of the case, connected to the USB cable from the top USB ports of the Phanteks case.  That two strand cable runs under the GPU to the opening at the lowest of the vertical cable entry slots.
-At the bottom of the motherboard, note the 4 connections located there.  From left to right, the HD Audio cable from the top of the Phanteks case, and the SD Card Reader cable from the IO panel under the PSU shroud.  The Power Button cable from the top of the Phanteks case and the yellow jumper wire on pins 5 to 9 are right next to each other and connect to the front panel header on the motherboard.  


 

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Motherboard connectors info for the XPS 8930:

From first glance the motherboard connectors look to be industry standard Intel header connections.  However, unlike the XPS 8910 and XPS 8920, where the case swaps are straight forward and easier, the firmware of the XPS 8930 has specific requirements for connections to certain headers to avoid startup errors.

1) The PSU connections to the motherboard are standard. There is a 24 pin ATX connector to the right of the RAM slots (on the upper right) and the 4 pin CPU power connector at the upper left.

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2)  Two USB 3.1 headers (blue and black) look like standard 19 pin connectors.   On the XPS 8930, they are connected to the 3 USB 3.1 ports and the single USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-C port on the top panel.

They are marked F USB1 and F USB 2 on the motherboard.  The blue header is for the USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type C port and the left USB 3.1 port.  The black header is for the right two USB 3.1 ports. 

The top panel USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type C port is only 5 Gbps, the same speed as the other 3.1 USB ports.   It’s just a different connector.  The higher speed USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type C port is on the real panel.

 

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With a XPS 8930 case swap, one of the workaround is that both the USB connectors from the XPS 8930 IO panel from the top of the case need to be connected into the motherboard USB headers using their respective color connector.  Black to black, blue to blue.

Without both headers connected, you will get an IO front panel error at startup.

What this means is the XPS 8930 IO panel at the top of the chassis needs to be inside the new case as part of the case swap.  The large PSU shroud compartment at the bottom of the case is a convenient place to hide the IO panel.

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Because the USB 3.1 ports on the motherboard are now no longer available for use by the USB front panel connectors on the new case, you will have to bypass the motherboard connectors and install a PCI-E USB 3.0 card on the motherboard and connect the USB connectors from your new case to the PCI-E card.

 

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Be really careful when removing and installing the USB 3.0 connectors on the motherboard.  I hate the Intel design as the connectors are very tight and it is very easy to bend or even break a pin. Try to always go straight up of down with the connector.  If you wiggle is from side to side you risk bending/breaking a pin.

 

3) The front panel connector is a standard industry connector and Dell chose to use it only for their power button and LED.  Dell used a single connector with only pins 2 and 4 for the power button LED, and 6 and 8 for the power button.  There is also a yellow wire jumper between pins 5 and 9 on the connector.

 

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With a new case you can use the pins on that header for the Power, Power LED, Reset, HD Power LED connections.  There is a diagram on the XPS 8930 motherboard that shows the configuration for the pins. 

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On the XPS 8930 motherboard the pins on the  F Panel header are numbered like this.

2 4 6 8 10

1 3 5 7 9

 

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Pic of Industry Standard Front Panel with the same pin numbering.

 

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When doing the case swap, the Power button, LED, reset switch all work fine with a new case.  The small arrow you will see on a connector is the positive side of that connector.

However, a Jumper is necessary on the XPS 8930 motherboard front panel connector from pins 5 to 9 to prevent a startup power button error.   The jumper is a female to female connector for a 0.1" (2.54mm ) header,

 

4) The Audio connector is a standard HD Audio 10 pin connector with a pin typically missing at 8.  This header controls the headphone jack and mic jack on the upper IO panel.  

 

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5)   Dell uses a 6 pin connector for the Multi-Card Reader on their upper IO panel.  On the motherboard it is marked CARD READER.

 

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With a case swap, it was confirmed by RWGordon that you will get a startup error with this header open on the XPS 8930.  Connect the card reader connector from the XPS 8930 IO panel to this header with a case swap.

 

6) Fan Headers

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Fan headers:  Left is TOP FAN header, right is CPU FAN header.  Both are 4 pin PWM.   3 pin fans can be connected to them but they will run at full speeds.

 

Edit: 8/25/19   Added Alienware R7/R8 case swap information here.

 

  • HanoverB

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    Posted June 29th, 2020 00:00

     

    Want to link this informative thread by @Mr.Byte who has spent some time unraveling the specifics about the XPS 8930 motherboard USB and Card reader headers and the IO unit. 

    His goals are to figure out how to bypass the headers and have the option of:

    1) not having to bring the IO Unit into the case swap at all and be able to use the exisitng Dell motherboard USB header(s) for the new case USB 3.0 connectors without a startup error.

    2) creating an internal USB 2.0 header on the motherboard from the Card Reader header without a startup error.

    Good picture of the pinouts of the headers are shown

    https://www.dell.com/community/XPS-Desktops/XPS-8930-Case-Transfer-Project/m-p/7636154#M51407 

     

  • HanoverB

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    Posted July 1st, 2020 18:00

    Okay so I thought I would take a few minutes to clean the filters on the case and also be able to test all his good work.  I used jumpers rather than soldering for the testing.  Unfortunately, soldering is required for you to use the Black USB header on the motherboard from the new case.

    Front Panel header:
    Jump 5 to 9, we knew that already:  no IO error on startup
    -----
    Audio 10 pin header: 
    no connector:  IO error on startup
    Audio connector from mic/audio input from new case:  NO iO error on startup
    Jump 2 to 4:  NO IO error on startup
    -----
    Card reader header:
    No connector:  IO error on startup
    Card reader connector from XPS 8930 IO Unit as workaround:  NO IO error on startup
    Jump 4 to 6:  NO IO error on startup
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    USB Black (FUSB_2)
    USB Blue (FUSB-1)

    Black USB:  Black USB 20 pin connector from XPS 8930 IO Unit as workaround
    Blue USB:   Blue USB 20 pin connector from XPS 8930 IO Unit as workaround
    NO IO error

    Black USB:  Jump 4 to 10
    Blue USB:   Jump 14 to 17
    NO IO Error

    Black USB:  Black USB 20 pin connector from XPS 8930 IO Unit as workaround
    Blue USB:   Jump 14 to 17
    NO IO error: 

    Black USB:  Jump 4 to 10
    Blue USB:   Blue USB 20 pin connector from XPS 8930 IO Unit as workaround
    NO IO Error

    Black USB:  USB 20 pin connector from new case Phanteks P-350X, no jumper 4 to 10
    Blue USB:   Jump 14 to 17
    IO error at startup

    Black USB:  Jump 4 to 10
    Blue USB:   USB 20 pin connector from new case Phanteks P-350X, no jumper 14 to 17
    IO error at startup, expected as this is a proprietary header as confirmed by Mr. Byte

    So unfortunately it appears that in order to use the 20 pin connector from the new case in the USB Black (FUSB_2) header you also have to short out pins 4 to 10 on the back side of the motherboard which would require a solder gun.   Without shorting out those two pins you will get a startup error using the USB 3.0 cable from your new case.

    At least an option is there to not have to bring in the IO unit from the XPS 8930.  If you feel comfortable with a solder gun it is possible to not have to bring that unit into the case.

    1)  Short pins 4 to 10 on the motherboard on the black header, allowing you to use the black header for the USB 3.0 connector from the new case.   You do have to short those two pins, you cannot use the black USB header for your 20 pin connector from the new case unless you do so.  

    Thanks to @Mr.Byte for this info!

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    Posted July 1st, 2020 18:00

    Mr Byte finalized his project with this post and nice pic showing how to bypass the headers to prevent startup errors:

    https://www.dell.com/community/XPS-Desktops/XPS-8930-Case-Transfer-Project/m-p/7637929/highlight/true#M51471

    From @Mr.Byte 

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    Posted July 2nd, 2020 02:00

    Hi, @HanoverB 

     

    As per usual, excellent advice from yourself & @Mr.Byte !!

     

    "1) Short pins 4 to 10 on the motherboard on the black header, allowing you to use the black header for the USB 3.0 connector from the new case. You do have to short those two pins, you cannot use the black USB header for your 20 pin connector from the new case unless you do so."

     

    If you are making that connection, would an alternative possibility to apply the "Short" on the New Case's Connector (or, even, at the Case end of the Lead)?? If this is possible, it might be less risky than attempting to solder onto the Motherboard!

  • HanoverB

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    Posted July 2nd, 2020 12:00

    JJ

    You would need to get into the wiring and splice/jump those two wires. Not sure how easy that would be.

    Bringing in the IO unit seems to be easier unless you are handy with the soldering iron.

    It's still nice to have that option since the USB 3.0 header on the motherboard is an issue for connecting the ports on the new case. 

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    Another option I should re-mention that with the XPS 8930 IO unit in the case, the USB 3.0 ports in the case would allow you to use this cable to create the USB 3.0 20 pin header for the USB connector from the new case.   This workaround was from @rwgordon.

    This would be an alternative to the PCI-e USB 3.0 card that I chose to use.  The cable is a little bulkier and would need to be hidden, so take that into account as well.  

    The upside of the USB 3.0 PIC-e card would be having additional USB 3.0 ports on the back of the case.

    2 Port USB 3.0 Type A Male to 20 Pin Header Male Adapter Cable Cord 0.25m

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    Posted July 2nd, 2020 16:00

    After more than 3 months of daily used, no problem was found on my new Dell XPS 8930 case  swap. I was able to use Dell SupportAssist with the new case.

    Since I played games heavily, I installed a 240 mm AIO liquid cooler. I wonder for those not gaming much, are the stock air cooler and 5 of 120 mm fans good enough to cool the CPU? If so, we can save some cash on the AIO liquid cooler.

    I just would like to thank HanoverB. again. Before doing the case swap I have zero experience on PC build.

    Now I 'm confident to build my first PC with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2970WX processor inside a Phanteks Enthoo 719 Full Tower case.

    Thank you, HanoverB. and Dell community. I learned a lot from you.

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    Posted July 2nd, 2020 21:00

    Hi Dell630i,

    Sorry not until September 2020, and I 'll post pictures in the mentioned thread. I 've got most of parts needed but the air cooler, IceGiant ProSiphon Elite. I preordered and have to wait until Sept. to get it.

    Part lists:

    Phanteks Enthoo 719 Full Tower case

    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2970WX

    Asus Rog Zenith Extreme X399 motherboard

    Corsair RM 850x 850W power supply

    4 of 140 mm,  and 7 of 120 mm Noctua fans along with Phanteks RGB Fan Frame LED

     

     

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    Posted July 3rd, 2020 09:00

    @Anonymous 

    Fantastic PC builds, Dell630i. I 'll use an air cooler, not a custom liquid one, so mine is not brilliant as yours.

    I was a faithful Dell customer by owning a Windows XP Dell desktop, then Windows 7 Inspiron 560 one, and finally Windows 10 Dell XPS 8930.

    I don't know why over the years, the size of the cases keep smaller and smaller. It didn't bother me much until I used DellSupportAssist app or playing games. The PC made a very loud noise, scaring me.

    That 's why I 'm here, reading and then following HanoverB 's instructions, and my Dell is now happy ever after.

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    Posted August 2nd, 2020 10:00

    Thank you for all of this information!

    My close friends purchased me an RTX 2080 Super for my birthday, so I was inspired by this thread to perform a case swap to a more spacious case with adequate airflow.

    I followed all of the instructions on page 1 and I was able to successfully complete a case swap from my 8930 Special Edition to a Meshify C Mini.

    Everything went smoothly

    1. I jumped Pins 5+9
    2. I bought an Inatek PCI-e card to give me front USB functionality
    3. I harvested the I/O panel from the Dell case to prevent any startup errors.

    Small issues I came across:

    1. You really need a decent amount of space to hide the Dell I/O panel.
    2. The backplate for the CPU also acts as a backplate for the CPU cooler. This meant that I had to drill out larger holes (5/32 bit) on the Dell backplate, so that the Noctua SecuFirm2 backplate could be installed properly.

    It's been running for 1 day now, and I've come across zero issues!

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    Posted October 4th, 2020 12:00

    @maddfrosty did a case swap using the sweet Corsair iCUE 220T case here

     

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