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August 18th, 2018 06:00

XPS 8930, GPU and CPU Liquid Cooler, PSU, Case Swap, Upgrade

Computer:  Dell XPS 8930

CPU:  i7 8700

CPU Cooler:  UPGRADE: Corsair H60 (2018 Model) Hydro Series AIO Liquid CPU Cooler

Graphic card manufacturer / model number:  UPGRADE: Liquid cooled MSI GeForce GTX 1080 SEA HAWK X 8GB 256-Bit  GDDR5X  PCI Express 3.0 x16  ATX Video Card  

Bios:  1.0.12

Operating System:  Windows 10 Home  v.1803

Power supply:  UPGRADE: Seasonic Focus Plus Gold, SSR-850FX, 850W Compact  Modular Power Supply

Monitor:  Samsung S34E790C - 34-Inch Curved WQHD (3440 x 1440) LED Monitor using Displayport.   









Edit: 06/06/19

Case fan upgrades here
PSU upgrades here
Non-Dell GPU upgrades here




Phanteks case swap summary here
Case swap rather than case mod for more cooling options here and here and here
Motherboard connections for case swap here
Full liquid cooling with waterblock here

 

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Tests slim 15mm fans with HWInfo.

Idle CPU Temps 32C. 
Idle fan speeds intake 450-500 RPM
CPU FAN and TOP FAN = motherboard headers 

***Prime 95 v2.66 CPU Torture Test, Small FFT, 12 cycles.  60 minutes:    

CPU temps 66-70C.  Max temp 75C (boost)
Clock speeds 3492 mHz (~10% overclock @ 65W TDP), max 4490 mHz
Voltage stable at 1.022, max was 1.3



Upper Intake Fan (CPU FAN) CPU cooler max RPM 1078
Lower Intake fan (TOP FAN) GPU cooler max RPM 1019
Upper exhaust fan fixed 1500 RPM. 

Prime 95. initial boost of CPU 100% load at 4490 mHz at 110 W / 1.3v.  Then tests at stable ~10% overclock 3492-3589 mHz at ~65W at 1.022 volts, temps 66-70C.

***3d Mark Fire Strike Test for system 1080P, ~ 7min.:

CPU Temps: Max 75C
Clock speeds max 4388 mHz
Voltage max was 1.31

Upper Intake Fan (CPU FAN) CPU cooler max RPM 906
Lower Intake fan (TOP FAN) GPU cooler max RPM 869 
Upper exhaust fan fixed 1500 RPM. 

GPU Temps: Max 79C
GPU Fan speed, 1100 RPM idle, max RPM 2822
GPU Clock max 1961 mHz

So far, CPU temps okay.  But GPU temps high, will check bezel airflow.....

***3d Mark Fire Strike Test 1080P, ~ 7min
(front bezel off to test airflow restriction)

CPU Temps: Max 72C 
Clock speeds max 4388 mHz.
Voltage max 1.31

Upper Intake Fan (CPU FAN) CPU cooler max RPM 853
Lower Intake fan (TOP FAN) GPU cooler max RPM 1183
Upper exhaust fan fixed 1500 RPM. 

GPU Temps: Max 72C
GPU Fan speed, 1100 RPM idle, max RPM 2611
GPU Clock max at 1965  mHz

Changes with front bezel off:

CPU temps dropped by 3C 
GPU temps dropped by 8-10C 

CPU temps acceptable through bezel.  GPU airflow through bezel needs tweaking!

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The install:

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Tasks for upgrade in new XPS 8930: 
1) Install Corsair H60 (2018 Model) Hydro Series AIO Liquid CPU Cooler 
2) Install lower front intake fan/radiator with liquid cooled MSI Sea Hawk GTX 1080 HYBRID GPU
3) Upgrade PSU to Seasonic Focus Plus Gold, 850W Compact Power Supply

I need to accomplish this keeping in mind the following:
-Run the Corsair CPU cooler pump at constant 100% speed
-Requires fans connected to both 4 pin fan headers (CPU FAN) and (TOP FAN) to avoid startup error.  

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Installing Corsair Liquid CPU Cooler:
New 2018 Corsair Hydro Series H60 has 157 x 120 x 27mm radiator and SP120 PWM fan.  Pump has rotating barbs for hose placement to avoid the swinging PSU.  Pump connects to a PSU SATA cable for 100% power and the radiator PWM fan to the CPU FAN motherboard 4 pin header.  Optional tach cable to monitor pump speed and provide a signal to the fan header to prevent startup errors.  Fan specs: SP120 PWM, 1700 RPM, 28.3 dBA, 57.2CFM.

Slim fan for tight location: Noctua NF-A12x15 PWM, 1850 RPM  23.9 dBA  55.44 CFM / 1400 RPM 16.8 dBA  41.67 CFM

The 3 pin version is a good option at fixed speed to noise tolerance for constant airflow.

Review below posted 60C temps with i7 8700K CPU  30 min stress test at stock clocks.

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https://proclockers.com/reviews/cooling/corsair-hydro-series-h60-120mm-liquid-cooler-review

Nice installation guide here:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/corsair-h60-review.html

The XPS 8930 chassis is similar to the Alienware R5/R6/R7, but the Alienware allows for CPU liquid cooling by having an opening to mount the fan/radiator through the top of the chassis, an installation bracket, and a top cover to house the unit.   

With no such space in the XPS 8930, I saw two possible locations a liquid cooler could be installed:  Upper exhaust and front intake.

1) Tried the upper exhaust position first without success with the radiator in the top exhaust fan location. The problem is that the rigid hose fittings protrude into the case 20mm.  The PSU bracket is not able to close. 

I also tried the radiator upside down with the hoses above the motherboard.  But with the radiator lined up with the top exhaust opening, a CPU power connector, capacitor and fan header block the area at the hose fittings. 

2) Next the front upper intake position at the hard drive location. With intake cooling, cool air enters the radiator but warm air exits into the case.  Should not be a problem if CPU temps are ok.

I found that the radiator can install with hoses up or down.  With the radiator upside down, the hoses can spread on either side of the motherboard ATX connector.  

Picture bottom install location:

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Flipping the radiator upright, the swinging PSU bracket negates any liquid cooling in that location with the hoses up as the bracket cross bar crushes the hoses when lowered. 

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However, I found that by removing the cross bar off the bracket and a small corner off the bracket support leg it would work.    

So I chose having the hoses up as the installation path.

1)  Flatten the wire holders in that location.

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2)  Remove the two support legs and the swinging PSU bracket by removing screws at the leg supports and a few at the rear. 

3) Used dremel reinforced cutting wheel to do about 5 minutes worth of cutting, then deburring the cut edges.

Picture dremel cuts. (Additional recommended cut to use 25mm fan here)

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4)  Then placed the radiator up with the hoses at the front of the chassis. The bottom of the radiator fits between the two screws that hold down the supports of the PSU bracket.

5) Attach the 15mm fan with the model label showing for pull orientation and use 4 - 1” or 1 ¼” 6-32 machine screws to attach the radiator.  NOTE:  The 6-32 screws used for the radiator have a different thread than the 6-32 hex head screws being used in the case.  Big box stores have these screws.

Pic of screws

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6)  Carefully mark the location of the holes in the radiator and drill four holes to mount the radiator to the front of the chassis. 

How I did this was place the radiator, then use tape on the front of the chassis to mark the sides of the radiator position.

Then put another piece of blue tape across the front of the radiator at the middle of the top holes. 

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With the radiator in position inside the chassis and the sides lined up with the tape, look through the rear grill at the blue tape and mark the height of that tape on the front chassis.  Marks represent the height of the radiator holes. 

Mark the height of the holes with another piece of tape across the front of the chassis.

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You now have the height of the top holes.

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7) Place a fan on the chassis between the two pieces of tape at the sides and line the two top holes with the radiator mark.  Mark all four holes .  Again tape off the case well to make sure you don’t get metal filings anywhere. 

Mount the radiator with fan to the chassis using ¾” 6-32 machine screws.  

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9) Installing the pump head:

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Clean CPU with alcohol.  You see the 4 mounting holes here

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Using th 4 double sided pins, put the lower pins into the mounting holes.  No modifications needed, the unit is set up for the Dell motherboard LGA1151 CPU socket.  Mount the cooler pump by placing the corner attachment brackets on the upper pins and tighten the thumb screws.  You can’t overtighten these, they just won’t turn any further when tight. 

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10) Connect radiator fan to the 4 pin CPU FAN header. 

11) Attach pump SATA power to the PSU. 

12) With no cross bracket on the PSU swinging bracket, there is room for the pump hoses to flex under the PSU.  There is a smooth rounded edge where the bracket contacts the hoses when closed.  As an additional precaution install braid wrap on the upper part of the hose for protection at that point.

Done!

Picture again from top, note no bar on the PSU bracket and the edge of the lower part of the PSU bracket that will contact the hoses when down.

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Installing MSI GTX 1080 Hybrid GPU:  The 151mm high radiator is installed in a sideways position with the hoses in front.  The GPU is 10.5” long leaving little room for both fan and radiator at the lower intake position.

With little space to put a fan on the radiator inside the case, the slim 15mm fan was mounted in front of the chassis and under the front bezel.  The front bezel is over 20 mm deep so the fan is able to still pull air from the bezel front side vents.

Picture front bezel

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1) The only problem encountered was a large raised hole in the middle of the front of the chassis which interfered with fan placement.  Keep turning the fan to the position centered to the radiator where the fan frame doesn't hit that large bump. 

2)  Check that the side of the radiator is clear of the swinging arm of the PSU bracket.   Important!.

3)  Drill 4 holes, attach the fan to radiator using 4- 1 ¼” 6-32 machine screws. 

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I also used a10mm foam compressible Phoyba radiator gasket on the radiator due to the 1" wide flange at the rear of the front chassis.

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It supports the Alienware R5/6/7 front intake fan bracket that snaps in at this location.  That piece of metal prevents the radiator from sitting flush.  The gasket took up that space.  It has adhesive on one side to attach to the radiator.  

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Note: In the picture of the front bezel a large plastic hollow pin sticks up that would hit the fan in that location.  Trim with the dremel cutting wheel.

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Picture front install, note no bar on the PSU swinging bracket.

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4) Connect the slim fan on the AIO radiator to the 4 pin header (TOP FAN).   (Noctua NF-A12x15 FLX  1850 RPM  23.9 dBA  55.44 CFM / 1400 RPM 16.8 dBA  41.67 CFM)

Notes

Protect the radiator fins with a piece of cardboard taking the GPU in/out.  They are bent easily by the corner of the GPU.

 

Edit 9/18/18  GPU temps resolved here: (must read prior to installing, grillwork is removed)

Edit 02/23/19  Recommended cuts to use 25mm fan on CPU radiator here and here

Edit 03/15/19  Fixed speed radiator fan CPU temps 55°C range here

 

**This thread edited for accuracy, add'l pics and current information.

 

 

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January 30th, 2020 19:00

@HanoverB 

Thanks for sharing your Dell XPS 8930 mod notes!

I reviewed and purchased the black XPS build:  Win 10 Pro, i9-9900, 2x8GB, 512GB SSD, 1TB HDD, DVD, RTX 2060, Killer AX/BT, 92mm top case fan, and OEM CPU cooler.  I knew the mouse and keyboard would need to be upgraded.  And I suspected the cooling would be inadequate for the chassis layout and build.  I avoided the XPS SE build because I did not want the silver fascia and that CPU blower with its interference, if it was included.

I've installed my own mouse and keyboard and I intend to improve the cooling.  I can understand Dell cheating the up-gradable items in pursuit of zero marginal cost, but it is a shame that they ship builds that are inadequately cooled for their capability... a design shortcoming that is hard to rectify.  The 92mm top case fan in a 120mm opening is an insult to this customer of many years... since the beginning.

However, I knew all of this going in and intend to improve the cooling to suit my modest usage.  I'll upgrade with two case fans and consider the CPU cooler later, if necessary... I doubt it.  I don't mind the system revving up when I use it hard... I just don't want it to rev up and down by itself when I'm not using it.

I went looking for Scythe fans but found that they could not compete with Noctua, despite Noctua's awful cream and brown color.  Funny thing... after I placed my order I have begun to really like that cream and brown color!

I read somewhere that Scythe lost a contract with motor maker Nidec.  This and their current product offering did not feel right to me.

On the other hand, Noctua seems to be putting it together, product- and marketing-wise, although their limited and over-accessorized black Chromax offering is a bit off the rails, imo... too little and too much to get a black fan.

The sweet spot for this fan upgrade is (2) Noctua NF-S12A PWM case fans for $40.  Two NF-S12A fans include everything you need (fans, cables, screws/rubber mounts) except the Dell chassis mounts which can still be got on the big auction site.  I've ordered the top exhaust fan mounting plate, but I'll try to rig my own mount for the lower front intake fan... I have fabrication skills.

I intend to use the included Noctua cables to wire both PWM case fans to the 4-pin MB case fan header but as 3-pin non-PWM fans by modifying one of the included 4-pin Y-cables to have no PWM signal from the MB... no 4th pin connection.

This will raise the steady-state cooling by running each fan at its rated 12VDC, 0.12A, 1.44W, 1200 RPM speed, 17.8 dB/A noise, and 63.2 CFM airflow (>150,000 Hours MTTF plus 6-year warranty).  These are great specs for a quiet case fan application (use a fan with higher static pressure like the Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM, if it's going to be blowing into resistance like a heat exchanger).  If you are considering other case fans, compare them to these Noctua NF-S12A PWM or FLX case fan specs.

If I decide to operate these PWM fans over their 300-1200 RPM range, I can swap in the other included Y-cable, unmodified.

A footnote... I'll not be using tape or taping up all of the chassis openings.  It's ok to have some leakage, imo... it won't matter much overall and it discourages airflow eddies and still spots where heated air can linger and raise the overall case air temperature, which then impedes heat transfer to that air and out of the case.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it... sans tape.

Thanks again to All for the clues gleaned from this discussion.

GK

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February 3rd, 2020 19:00

This is to update my XPS 8930 fan project post above...

The Noctua fans are awesome!  I don't mind spending a low dollar premium for such a great product and presentation... the packaging is gorgeous... it really is!.  Buy one and you'll see what I mean.  I think I want to visit Austria!

The fans mounted as planned.  The top case fan was a simple swap using the purchased (action site) mounting plate... plug and play.  The lower front case fan was mounted directly to the chassis using the included silicone rubber pins.  I drilled and sanded smooth (4) 5/32" mounting holes.  A small piece of fine sand paper rolled up into a tight tube was used to clean out/finish the holes.  A paper towel and blue tape was used to shield the interior from debris.

To prepare, I disconnected the ODD, slipped it out the front, and unsnapped the front bezel, top to bottom.  I centered the fan bottom edge over the two chassis key holes (these key holes mount the plastic OEM fan housing, if provided) and then moved the fan up a bit to center it over the chassis grill openings.  This puts the drill holes in a good spot with ample material.  Then I marked the drill holes with the felt stub extracted from a dying Sharpie and drilled the holes.  (I should have used the top case fan mounting plate as a template, but I had already installed it... dumb and I knew it when I did it!)

The included brown rubber pins are too short to pull through both holes of the fan housing.  So here's the trick... I used a hemostat with a curve tip to reach in from the side to pull the two lower rubber pins to secure the fan to the chassis; do the tighter right side first. Then I finished with the two upper rubber pins.  I also removed HDD2 and HDD3 cages for better access... a simple do.

I tried non-PWM mode (1200 RPM) first by removing and cutting off the 4th/blue wire pin from the included Noctua Y-cable at the MB connector.  I connected the top case fan to the 4-conductor side of the Y-cable... the side that monitors fan speed.  Both fans ran full out at 1200 RPM as expected.  Initial results... audible fans but reasonably quiet/pleasant sound for the amount of air being moved... but noisier than the stock 92mm PWM mode when not revving up.  CoreTemp did not exceed 50c where before it had spiked to over 70c.  I ran 4 videos and did some other stuff to challenge it... no games here.

Clearly, the two bigger and quieter fans were going to be better than the one stock, smaller, noisier fan.  However, two case fans running at 1200 RPM continuously now seemed unnecessary, sound-wise.  So, I swapped in the other included Y-cable to affect PWM mode.  And I like it.  Both fans are spinning at some low, quiet RPM.  I see a peak of 52c.  I trust I'll see hotter and hear some fans spin up then, but I expect to mostly hear less fans and have better cooling.

And, touching the top case fan grill tells me the exhaust air is noticeably cooler than before in stock mode with one 92mm fan.

Edit:  Prime95 torture test of CPU pushed core temps to 80-82c with a peak of 85c.  Fans spun up and sound increased but not too bad.  I think the stock CPU cooler fan is the noisiest.

Thanks, Noctua!

GK

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July 3rd, 2020 19:00

Moved 

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July 3rd, 2020 20:00

Asetek RAD Card PCI-e GPU cooler

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https://www.asetek.com/gamingenthusiasts/technology-for-gamingdiy/gpu-cooling/rad-card

Asetek Rad Card GPU cooler for the Alienware R11 series.  It’s a combo RTX 2080 + GPU cooler. 

Dual slot design card cooler that fits in a PCIe slot and should fit the XPS 8930 chassis since it shares the same chassis as the new AW R11.  The rear sheet metal slot count and PCi-e slot location looks to be the same on both Dell chassis and similar on the motherboards even if you take into account the extra GPU slot in the Alienware..   

Price is +$200 upgrade from the base GPU.   Only Dell’s MSI RTX 2080 for now. Should only be a matter of time where it should be available to other third party vendors for small form factor cases.

An alternative to the GPU AIO coolers like the OEM MSI Sea Hawk, EVGA Hybrid and Kraken G12 add-ons which require some case mods.

Both GPU and Cooler cards draws air from single fans like in the founder editions GPU's.  Hopefully there is enough room between them and the case for airflow .  The R6 front intake fan and bracket is a must, looks really tight up front and below if there are HDD caddies as well.  Airflow in this case likely still an issue.  

Look for real world tests of the RAD Cooler vs the OEM AIO coolers.  Temps will reflect if this design is really only to make up for the shortcomings of the Alienware chassis where a traditional GPU AIO cooler can't be configured unless you do  some case mods and falls way short of the AIO coolers.   Article says up to 20% drop.  Tests with the EVGA 2080 hybrid and 120mm AIO radiator on peak was 53C vs 73-75C for the Founders Edition (28-30% improvement).

Hmmm

With only a 20% drop it's still better than the temps now and won't require any case modding other than adding the R6 front intake fan and bracket which you should already have anyway.




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July 3rd, 2020 20:00

Better pics from this article

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HDD caddies shown below the GPU PCIe slot cooler, pretty tight for that fan to get any air even if the caddy isn't there.

Link to previously mentioned test of EVGA RTX 2080 Super XC hybrid and temps vs Founders Edition GPU.

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It's been a while I've stopped by this page. Hope you're doing well. Take care! 

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July 3rd, 2020 21:00

@HanoverB 

When shopping with my wife I always have to remind her of that marketing trick;

SALE - UP TO 70% OFF!   

So this rad card cooler will reduce temps somewhere between 0% and 20%. Actually, it would be awesome if it really works well. Personally, I am not seeing how that tiny horizontal radiator is going to do much cooling.

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July 6th, 2020 00:00

@GTS81 @Anonymous 

Thanks for stopping by guys......hope all is well with you too!

Had to change the settings for the forum to these.....otherwise everything was out of order...finally figured it out.

Also noted they have timer on edits...

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July 6th, 2020 10:00

What I'm more concerned about is the mini leaf blower that Asetek has stuck in the cooling unit. I suppose they would need a really high static pressure unit to blow through that heat exchanger unit they built. In fact, they said that it's an asymmetric radiator i.e. one side of the fins is warmer than the other side. It'll be interesting once we get real world testing results.

The other thing is that if that 2080 Super is the MSI Aero, I'm not sure if it gets the unlocked power limit. Looks like here it's stuck to 250W. Definitely not apples to apples comparison with the EVGA XC cards that has 292W limit.

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/219091/219091

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July 6th, 2020 12:00

@GTS81    In fact, they said that it's an asymmetric radiator i.e. one side of the fins is warmer than the other side.

The further from the blower fan, the hotter the air and the less heat transfer. Also, the blower fan will only be about half the exchanger width, so there will be a big air flow 'dead spot'.

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July 6th, 2020 19:00

Looks like I am totally wrong about this Asetek Rad Card working in the XPS 8930......

On their website it says it:  Fits into your motherboard’s PCIe slot, just like any other add-in card 

Looks like it fits in the slot designed for the Alienware second GPU slot which is PCIe-x16

 

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Won't fit in the XPS 8930.......has (1)  PCIe-x4 and (2)  PCIe-x1 on the motherboard  .......so no liquid cooled GPU option unless you case mod or case swap.

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July 6th, 2020 20:00

@HanoverB    .......so no liquid cooled GPU option unless you case mod or case swap.

. . . or consider an external radiator  

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July 6th, 2020 20:00

The ultimate case mod.......

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July 6th, 2020 20:00

@HanoverB    The ultimate case mod.......

True.

When I think 'case mod', I usually envision something like this 

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July 6th, 2020 21:00

LOL.....my sentiments exactly!

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