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June 15th, 2021 16:00

Aurora R12, PCIe4?

Hello, this is my first post! I recently bought an Aurora R12 (11700KF (liquid cool), 3060 Ti, 32GB ram, 1TB NMVe PM9A1). I've been loving it, it runs all the games I've played flawlessly. I will keep it brief as I have a couple basic questions to start. 

I installed a second intake fan today so I got a chance to take a look inside and I noticed my PCIe slot under my GPU is labeled PCIe4. I was under the impression these motherboards only had PCIe3. Is this something new? 

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Also, I noticed that in AWCC fusion tab, I don't have "advanced view" for my CPU or my RAM. Only my GPU has it. I called tech and they walked my through two AWCC reinstalls already. I've updated all the drivers. I don't know what else to do. The tech said my 11700KF is not able to be overclocked. Is that true? Anyhow, I was able to change to XMP1 in bios and now my RAM went from ~2300 to 3391 MHz. 

Thanks for any help

alcham422

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June 15th, 2021 17:00

Yes, 4.0, it's in the online Aurora R12 Service Manual.

 

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June 15th, 2021 17:00

R12 is PCIe 4.0 for both mechanical X16 slots, but they only support up to X8 link speeds.

 

The 11700KF is  a K version and therefore can be overclocked, but the tabs might be missing due to some CPU versions being locked out from overclocking features on Alienware machines.

I have the same with my R10 3700X. It's not overclockable in the bios or with AWCC, but it is an unlocked processor and can be overclocked with Ryzen Master. I have done it, so I know it's a limitation of the bios and not the motherboard itself.

There's a utility from Intel that offers the same abilities as Ryzen Master.

Give it a try to overclock from within windows, following this INTEL Guide: Extreme Tuning Utility 

 

A word of caution: Altering clock frequency or voltage may void any product warranties and reduce stability, security, performance, and life of the processor and other components.

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June 15th, 2021 17:00

Note the R11 is 3.0, but that's a CPU limitation (they share the z490 board).

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June 15th, 2021 17:00

11600KF/11700KF and 11900KF can all be overclocked to their upper turbo frequency, only i7 they ship that can't be overclocked is the 11700F

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June 19th, 2021 12:00

I surprised Dell did not use the came reasoning and keep PCIe 3.0 instead of having PCIe 4.0 in the newer motherboards the same way they nerfed the PCIe slots from 16x to 8x electronically (mechanically 16x).

So I wonder why did or do they incorporate PCIe 4.0 ... Why not stick with PCEI 3.0 ???

 

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June 19th, 2021 13:00

"I surprised Dell did not use the came reasoning and keep PCIe 3.0 instead of having PCIe 4.0 in the newer motherboards"

This wasn't a change on the board level.  It is essentially the same board for R11/12.  They are both z490.  The BIOS is updated, that's the difference.  The reason the R11 doesn't have 4.0 has nothing to do with the board.  It's the CPU.  Intel didn't support 4.0 with any chips sold with the R11. That's why it's 3.0.  It's not a board difference.  The R11 and R12 are essentially the same PC.  

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July 5th, 2021 13:00

the overclock option disappears if I install Intel XTU on my system. Over the XMP setting in the bios you should be able to enable overclock to level 1 or 2 or custom with the K CPU. otherwise try flashing the BIOS with the latest version. I did that and also got the latest VBIOS from Dell and now I can also enable resizable bar. too bad that dell cut the pci-e to 8X without specifying it on the product spec when you buy this coffin. I guess the bad airflow will get the better of your GPU before the pci-e speed becomes important.

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July 5th, 2021 23:00

No current GPU is anywhere close to saturating PCIE 4.0 8x anyway

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July 6th, 2021 12:00

Saturating the bus continuously?  what's the use of that.

think about latency for loading texture into the gpu memory. it would affect frame render time or keep the fps down is it takes 4 ms instead of 2 ms to load. I admit that theory vs real game can be different but then why are the scores in 3DMark or superposition on the alienware R12 are always 20% lower than other gaming sysem.

Could also be the cas 20 latency with the 1/2 speed memory bus on the R12 keeping the GPU from performing.

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July 6th, 2021 18:00

Because the benchmark scores on 3dmark that are in the top +20% are not stable for everyday use. They are often set just to run 1 pass to get  a high score.

If you use the compare function and compare it to your score, you will notice the GPU frequency up into the 2.2 Ghz mark, while yours and mine are around the 2 Ghz mark.

 

Since 3dmark does not go into great detail on the actual hardware setup, it's difficult to know what you are comparing against. For example it does not tell you the cooling of the GPU, or the power limits, or the Vram temperatures reached, airflow in case, etc...

You will never come close to the performance of a custom loop liquid cooled GPU, or the performance of a +10% power limit overclock, or to a triple fan card, or some other custom cooling setup.

 

The custom cards used in Alienware systems are locked at a power limit of 100% maximum, and there is no way to go past it.

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July 6th, 2021 22:00

6800XT in the Radeon settings goes to 115% on power limit. And using MorePowerTools you can change the SPPT tables of the card to change the power limit of the GPU from 255/300/55. I have mine at 290/330/60 and yes it does reach higher wattage usage. 

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July 7th, 2021 03:00

Why would you want to, it won't benefit you in any way. The Dell 3080 is a 2x8pin coming from a psu with some lack luster rails. My 6800XT barely gained 2% from increased power limit and it's all because the PSU can't effectively supply the 375w+ it wants to pull but eh it's whatever it's not like a stock 3080 or 6800XT is not a top contender 

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July 7th, 2021 03:00

Not the RTX 3000 series, what is what we were talking about.

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July 7th, 2021 04:00

 could handle it for a few minutes, just enough to run a benchmark and get a high score. That's how they achieve the top +20% scores on 3dmark.

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July 7th, 2021 11:00

Yes, on a non sub 50$ PSU and mobo. In that regard yes I'd say it's well worth it, just not in the Alienware R10/11/12's

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