Aurora R9, processor upgrade

Honestly, I would suspect upgrading to the 9900k will only reduce your performance, not increase it.  You said yourself, your older CPU outperforms the 9700k at the same task, so the CPU most likely isn't the problem.  The issue the you and many others experience with the SFF aurora is thermal throttling of your performance, and hard stop limits coded into BIOS re cpu and gpu to cap performance to prevent a thermal runaway.  Upgrading to an i9 will only result in overheating sooner, thus more limited performance.  What you could do is look to see your thermals, where you're getting throttled, and look into options to increase cooling down the PC, extra case fan, extra fan on the radiator, if you have a double fan gpu switch to blower style, etc.

Yes, liquid cooling.

Has that big black thing on it, with the 2 tubes and alienware logo.. i believe thats liquid coolied.

@Andoido :

Simply running 1 WoW account on max settings gets my CPU up in the high 90s on usage... Lol ?

My 15 year old Alienware M17x R3 laptop, can run up to 8 separate WoW Processes / windows before she freezes up or lags.. And it has an i7 (much lower version), 16GB, etc.

This new Aurora R9 completely   out after 7 accounts. That doesn't add up, at all. Dude at Dell said Oh yeaaaaa this computer will handle anything!

Were you running 8 separate WoW processes on max settings on the old computer? If not, what happens if you lowered the settings on the R9? Can you easily get to 8 WoW processes?

You said high 90s on usage. All 16 cores?

What's your memory utilization when running 1 WoW process?

If you run more than 7 WoW processes on the R9, what happens? You threw some phrase about it out but what does that mean? Do you get BSOD? Does it lag so bad you can't move your mouse pointer? Do you see smoke coming out from the rig? Please share some measured data if possible.

#inb4savvy2comeshere

@GTS81

Mind you, i JUST reformatted this computer after having it for 3 weeks. Because I am tired of this problem.

In a nutshell..

Old 15 year old computer, Lowest graphics settings i can ( Has a GTX 560m in it lolz)
When i get to 9 wows, the computer will start doing what the R9 does, freezing wise.

1-2 Account on max graphics, i am in the high 90s for usage.

Running 7 (which seems to be the MAX I can do on the R9) Will freeze the computer up. Or Lag it Badly

Running 4 WoW Classic ( Lowest Lowest Lowest settings, Aurora R9)

Running 3s WoWs... Lowest settings... (Mind you these are "Shrunk" down into a like tiny window. Not full screen.

Running 2 WoWs. (Low settings)

2 Wows - Max Grap[hcis

If i run more than 7 wow processes on the R9, the computer will FREEZE and lockup. Windows take Minutes to load, launching apps is impossible, the entire system freezes for 5 or so seconds when i do attempt to do anything.

BSOD? No idea what this is. But yes it lags to the point it completely freezes the computer, no mouse movement, Movie in the background freezes, all wows freeze, etc.
Smoke ? I have not noticed any smells or smoke.

Does any of this help.

7 wows

2 WoWs

Thermals.

You are speaking greek!

Andoido#0218 - Discord. By all means add me I would really love to find a solution

@Andoido :

It doesn't seem like you're hitting a thermal limitation where the CPU is slowing down because of a heat buildup in the R9. But it's strange to see how just 1 or 2 WoW processes is able to keep the CPU busy all the time because as you move them from foreground to background, they should be offloading the CPU.

Not sure now if this is R9 specific/ CPU specific/ Windows specific/ Blizzard specific, or a sad combination of a few factors causing that.

I'm not a hardcore gamer but from what you're trying to do, are you a streamer or something? Any of your streaming buddies using a similar setup i.e. i7-9700K with 2080 Super but not in a Dell Alienware?

No no streaming. I want to but my internet is very bad.

And FYI.

The old old laptop.

i7 2670

16gb ram

nvidia gtx 560, graphics.

Still doesnt add up how this computer is doing what its doing. I guarentee if i bought a new one it would meet my expectations without a hitch ><

@Andoido  Try doing this: 

(1) #edit [I was basically trying to say make your first instances the lead character a higher priority than your followers, not all wow processes- so like the followers have a lower priority, and the main one a higher priority, but maybe this wasn't the right idea. In any event, this priority isn't permanent, it should revert back to default after you close the process] 

2.  Go to your power plan in AWCC, and change it to balanced or high performance (if not already). 

3.  When your system is freezing, look to see what other programs if any are hogging CPU resources, and set them to a lower priority (step 1) or close them if not needed. 

4.  Look at your temperature sensors in AWCC when you're freezing, and see what the GPU and CPU temperature sensors show.   It looks like your task manager had only been open for about 20 seconds when it was at 100% with 7 processes. Does the temperature go up, and then you get performance drops with temperature drops, and loud fan noises, over and over? That's what thermal throttling would be like.

set all 8 wows to real time?

WOW>.. setting all 6 (currently got 6 up)
Completely makes my computer lag.. like a half second lag.. then a complete FREEZE.. where you hear BEEP BEEP from hitting keys to many times.

This is normal??

right.

6 wows:

4 wows.

2 wows

1 wow.

So I've been reading on this page called isboxer.com about multiboxing. Looks like there is a strong dependency between WoW process and the physical core assigned to it. That means for one WoW process, you want to use 1 of the 8 cores you have in your 9700K. There's some tips and software from that site to help users do that but let's go back to your R9 and undo what @r72019 mentioned. Then one by one, load up the WoW process. You'll also need to get to the screen as shown below.

Task Manager --> Performance --> Open Resource Monitor --> CPU

You'll need to select "View" --> "small" so that you can see all 10 graphs (mine is 8 because I have 6 cores). Then as you add the WoW processes, I hope you see the graph goes up on each CPU and not adding on an existing CPU's graph to make it go higher. If it doesn't spawn onto a different CPU core, then the 2 or more WoW processes on a single core is going to contend with one another.

@Andoido / @r72019 :

Or to joke around, that's because I worked on Westmere and not CFL-R hence that old laptop didn't tank. 

It seems like going from 1 to 2 WoWs was enough to show the problem. If done right, the 2nd WoW should have caused only 1 additional CPU to be loaded, not all the others. I recommend you go through some multiboxing sites to see what recommendation they have for WoW multiboxing with Win10 on the 9700K.

Probably solve this issue with the 9700K first before plonking more on a 9900K.

So.. If i upgraded the processor to say 16 cores? i could get way more performance if i understand what you said right

Heres 8 windows.. and the lag beings