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M17x R?, power plug tinkering
<Which M17x? Dell-Admin>
Hello everyone, i am having an issue with my old alienware M17x, especially the charging port, and i did some things you may... disapprove.
but before we dive into that, a bit of context :
i've bought this machine in 2011, and because i live in a place with little room available, i tend to open it, plug it, play, and then unplug and fold it back before going to sleep, this basically everyday for the last seven years or so.
so it goes without saying that both the cable of the AC adapter and the jack port in the computer are not in a good shape. i can do some tinkering so through all those years i went through two chargers, had to cut some damaged wires and solder them together, that kind of things. no issues on that part.
you're probably thinking that the solution to my problems -whatever they are- is a new computer, yes, that's what i did, but i still want to keep the old one alive because i like it.
Okay, so the cable from the old computer was dying again, except i'm seriously running out of cable length on the male jack side, and honestly the female part has now so little ability to keep the cable plugged in that i often have the computer shutting down on me because the wire just fell off. really annoying.
so i resorted to do what i did with my even previous computer : removing the entire plug and solder the cables directly in the mother board. Barbaric ? yes. but it did work with the previous one.
anyway, i did exactly that, being easy to take apart is one of the reasons i buy alienware. despite my tools i managed to de-solder the power jack, and put some new wires instead. identifying what goes where is pretty easy with a volt-meter so i'm confident my work is correct, but what i'm confused about now is what to do with the center pin.
at first i though the center pin was just the ground, or that maybe it was for the tiny Led ring that glows at the tip of the power cord. because i assumed it was one of those and i don't really care about that (i didn't even bother replugging the ground when cutting damaged wire segments a couple years ago) so i just left it unplugged.
buuuuuuut... since i'm here you guessed that something is wrong, and yes, it doesn't power up. which led me to think that maybe this pin is some sort of security ? you know how the power block of desktop computers are designed to NOT work unless they are actually plugged onto a motherboard, right ? well there is a green cable to connect to just any 0 Volts that solves the problem. Are we in some similar situation here ? what should i connect it to ? mass ? black ? white ?
yes, I shouldn't be doing this in the first place, but I really don't want to spend 50€ on a third charger for a ten-years old computer, especially since i bought a brand new one.
thank you !


crimsom
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March 3rd, 2021 07:00
Hi @lapantouflemagic welcome to this user to user discussion forum. This is not Dell Support.
The Dell ac adapter has a dc power cord with a diagnostic LED in its dc plug. This dc plug has an internal identification pin that originates from a memory device within the ac adapter. When the dc plug is not connected to the laptop, this identification pin carries no signal, voltage, capacity or resistance. It seems like a dead pin with no function. When the dc plug is inserted into the laptop DC-IN power socket, the laptop powers this identification pin (memory device) and the ac adapter provides its identification information. If identification pin communication fails, the laptop shuts down battery charging.
The M17x R1 & R2 share the same DC-IN power socket. The M17x R3 & R4 share the same DC-IN power socket and its physical appearance differs by its four feet being outboard. (see images)
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March 3rd, 2021 09:00
Hi @lapantouflemagic you ask how to connect the identification pin (or the 'spare' dc power cord wire). (Center pin ??? cable light, in your diagram.) Find and connect to the system board's "parasite power circuit". The DC-IN connection footprint shows its location on the system board. If dc plug inserted, but identification pin not connected, the diagnostic LED Light will be Red (not Blue) and the laptop will shut down battery charging.
I was surprised by your solution to this problem, given that you have soldering skills, and the DC-IN power socket is a low value replacement part. Tripping over the ac adapter and its cables, when permanently connected to the laptop, is an undesirable hazard with consequences.
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March 3rd, 2021 13:00
This should be fine for now.
lapantouflemagic
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March 4th, 2021 00:00
hello again !
thanks for your replies, so it is indeed some sort of security feature... now that you say it, taking off the rubber part of the male plug revealed a tiny circuit board encased in plastic, i thought it was just support for the led.
thankfully i have found the DC-IN tip from the second charger that died ages ago, so i may end up buying a new connector and do a proper fix. Looking back, yes, what i did was maybe not the best solution, but i thought i could just fix it in a couple of hours, as opposed to wait for new parts to arrive.
that said, the battery of that thing died ages ago too, so i don't even leave it in anymore, it's just dead weight at this point. so if the center pin is only about charging the battery that may not be the problem.
anyway, i'll poke at it a bit more this week end and tell you how it goes !
thanks again !
crimsom
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March 4th, 2021 01:00
Hi @lapantouflemagic if the identification pin is not connected, the ac adapter will not provide any power to the laptop, and its dc power cord diagnostic LED will be Red.
Have you discovered which M17x R you have?
lapantouflemagic
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March 4th, 2021 17:00
hi again !
oh, right ! apparently it is a R1 or R2, but i don't know what are the difference between those two.
what you're saying is slightly confusing to me. the AC adapter clearly outputs 20 volts despite the male plug (that include the led) being entirely cut off, I used it to test a DC electric motor a few days ago. and i have litterally never seen that led being anything but blue.
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March 4th, 2021 18:00
If you enter your service tag in the Support section of this website it will tell you what model you have.
Basically you can tell by the CPU;
R1 - Core 2
R2 - First Gen (720QM, 820QM, etc)
R3 - Second Gen (2670QM, 2760QM, etc)
R4 - Third Gen (3630QM, 3840QM, etc)
crimsom
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March 5th, 2021 00:00
Hi @lapantouflemagic the R numbers are used in Product Support to provide information for that system evolution. However, the first in the M17x series does not get an R number, so users call it R1 in their posts. This convention has been adopted by vendors supplying parts, the DC-IN socket being a good example.
The dc power cord's diagnostic LED provides interface with laptop status. The LED colour should be the same before and after plugging into the laptop. If it changes colour, there is something wrong with that interface. There can be many faults, including DC-IN socket used many times and subject to normal wear.
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March 5th, 2021 01:00