It is possible to have the Zip share the IDE channel with the hard drive, I've been running like this for months with no problem.
My set up is as follows:
Primary IDE :Master: Western Digital Hard Drive
Primary IDE :Slave: ZIP 100
Secondary IDE: Master:Plextor CD-RW
Secondary IDE:Slave:Samsung DVD/CD-ROM
All drives are jumpered as Master or Slave. as appropriate.
Do not use the 'slave present' setting for the hard drive, and just stick to the simple 'master' setting and everything should be OK
Otterkin
Dimension 4100
933 MHz Intel PIII
384MB SDRAM
Win98SE
Western Digital 20GB HDD
Samsung 612-SD DVD-ROM
Plextor CD-R PW-W1610A
Iomega Zip 100
nVidia Riva TNT2 Model 64
Dell E771p 17" Monitor
If you had read the manual, all drives should have been set to cable select, not master/salve. The data cables that come with the Dell are special cable select cables. The data cable should be no longer than 18" or you may have problems. First of all, reinstall the original data cable for your hard drive and see if it works. Then go from there.
The cables are not 'special' in any way, any IDE cable can be used for cable select if you wish, and drives do not have to be set to cable select to function perfectly well on any Dell.
In fact more problems are experienced using cable select than any other setting.
Dell are probably the only manufacturer to ship as 'cable select' and they only do so to make life easier for their tech help when they are attempting to diagnose/advise over the 'phone.
Nearly all manufacturers ship as master/slave, Dell are the exception.
I have had more problems installing zip drives on cable select. Zip drives & cable select do not go well.
Simply:
Primary device 0 = hard drive (jumpers on HD set as master
Primary device 1= zip (no jumpers on zip)
Ribbon cable: zip drive on middle connection with hard drive on end.
The
http://www.iomega.com web site has details with pictures to help you out.
Bill
Dimension® 4300 Series,
Pentium® 4 Processor at 1.5 GHz,
256MB 133MHZ SDRAM,
17 in (16.0 in viewable,.26DP) M781s Monitor,
32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP Graphics;
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition¹²
40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive
8.4GB Maxtor Hard Drive
Iomega IDE Zip100
56K PCI Data Fax Modem
10/100 PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Lexmark Z42 Printer
UMAX 1220S Scanner
Gimme fuel, Gimme fire, Gimme that which I desire
"In order to use Cable Select jumpering, several conditions must be met. Both drives on a channel must support CSEL, both drives must be jumpered as CSEL, a CSEL cable must be used, and the host interface connector must support CSEL. For the host interface to support Cable Select, pin 28 must be grounded.
Although the Cable Select specification may simplify things in the future, there will probably be lots of confusion, especially on legacy systems, as this starts to be introduced. One problem will be in selecting the correct cable. Supposedly, the cables used for Cable Select will be clearly marked, with each connector labeled as Device 0 (or Master) or Device 1 (or Slave). If not clearly marked, it may not be easy to identify a CSEL cable visually. Pin 28 can be checked for continuity.
A Cable Select cable can be constructed in various ways. Pin 28 may be nonconnected to the connector at the end of the cable or to the connector in the middle of the cable. Another design would have the host interface connector in the middle and the two drives would plug into each end of the cable, with the connector at one of the ends not connected to pin 28.
If both drives are set for CSEL and the host interface supports CSEL, but a regular cable is used, both drives will be seen as master.
A Cable Select cable can be used with master/slave drive jumpering.
Another problem will be with host interfaces on legacy motherboards and controller cards. If pin 28 is not grounded on the host interface, drives connected to either connector on the CSEL cable will be seen as slave. It will be common to find that pin 28 is open or high on many older IDE interfaces. This can be checked with a voltmeter. "
From Western Digital:
"For nearly all IDE devices, there are two configuration protocols used to determine the order in which a device on a cable is detected by the system. In the past, the most common method was the Master/Slave configuration, but the industry standard is moving towards a more user-friendly method, called Cable Select (CSEL). However, not all computer systems and IDE devices support the Cable Select option. To determine if your system is Cable Select compliant, refer to the information below."
otterkin wrote:
- The cables are not 'special' in any way, any IDE
- cable can be used for cable select if you wish, and
- drives do not have to be set to cable select to
- function perfectly well on any Dell.
-
- In fact more problems are experienced using cable
- select than any other setting.
-
- Dell are probably the only manufacturer to ship as
- 'cable select' and they only do so to make life
- easier for their tech help when they are attempting
- to diagnose/advise over the 'phone.
- Nearly all manufacturers ship as master/slave, Dell
- are the exception.
-
- Otterkin
-
- Dimension 4100
- 933 MHz Intel PIII
- 384MB SDRAM
- Win98SE
- Western Digital 20GB HDD
- Samsung 612-SD DVD-ROM
- Plextor CD-R PW-W1610A
- Iomega Zip 100
- nVidia Riva TNT2 Model 64
- Dell E771p 17" Monitor
otterkin
29 Posts
0
November 14th, 2001 16:00
My set up is as follows:
Primary IDE :Master: Western Digital Hard Drive
Primary IDE :Slave: ZIP 100
Secondary IDE: Master:Plextor CD-RW
Secondary IDE:Slave:Samsung DVD/CD-ROM
All drives are jumpered as Master or Slave. as appropriate.
Do not use the 'slave present' setting for the hard drive, and just stick to the simple 'master' setting and everything should be OK
Otterkin
Dimension 4100
933 MHz Intel PIII
384MB SDRAM
Win98SE
Western Digital 20GB HDD
Samsung 612-SD DVD-ROM
Plextor CD-R PW-W1610A
Iomega Zip 100
nVidia Riva TNT2 Model 64
Dell E771p 17" Monitor
Message Edited on 11/14/01 06:31PM by otterkin
Message Edited on 11/14/01 06:33PM by otterkin
sawaddi
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611 Posts
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November 14th, 2001 17:00
If you had read the manual, all drives should have been set to cable select, not master/salve. The data cables that come with the Dell are special cable select cables. The data cable should be no longer than 18" or you may have problems. First of all, reinstall the original data cable for your hard drive and see if it works. Then go from there.
otterkin
29 Posts
0
November 14th, 2001 22:00
In fact more problems are experienced using cable select than any other setting.
Dell are probably the only manufacturer to ship as 'cable select' and they only do so to make life easier for their tech help when they are attempting to diagnose/advise over the 'phone.
Nearly all manufacturers ship as master/slave, Dell are the exception.
Billv2
32 Posts
0
November 15th, 2001 00:00
Simply:
Primary device 0 = hard drive (jumpers on HD set as master
Primary device 1= zip (no jumpers on zip)
Ribbon cable: zip drive on middle connection with hard drive on end.
The http://www.iomega.com web site has details with pictures to help you out.
Bill
Dimension® 4300 Series,
Pentium® 4 Processor at 1.5 GHz,
256MB 133MHZ SDRAM,
17 in (16.0 in viewable,.26DP) M781s Monitor,
32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP Graphics;
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition¹²
40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive
8.4GB Maxtor Hard Drive
Iomega IDE Zip100
56K PCI Data Fax Modem
10/100 PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Lexmark Z42 Printer
UMAX 1220S Scanner
Gimme fuel, Gimme fire, Gimme that which I desire
sawaddi
2 Intern
•
611 Posts
0
November 16th, 2001 13:00
"In order to use Cable Select jumpering, several conditions must be met. Both drives on a channel must support CSEL, both drives must be jumpered as CSEL, a CSEL cable must be used, and the host interface connector must support CSEL. For the host interface to support Cable Select, pin 28 must be grounded.
Although the Cable Select specification may simplify things in the future, there will probably be lots of confusion, especially on legacy systems, as this starts to be introduced. One problem will be in selecting the correct cable. Supposedly, the cables used for Cable Select will be clearly marked, with each connector labeled as Device 0 (or Master) or Device 1 (or Slave). If not clearly marked, it may not be easy to identify a CSEL cable visually. Pin 28 can be checked for continuity.
A Cable Select cable can be constructed in various ways. Pin 28 may be nonconnected to the connector at the end of the cable or to the connector in the middle of the cable. Another design would have the host interface connector in the middle and the two drives would plug into each end of the cable, with the connector at one of the ends not connected to pin 28.
If both drives are set for CSEL and the host interface supports CSEL, but a regular cable is used, both drives will be seen as master.
A Cable Select cable can be used with master/slave drive jumpering.
Another problem will be with host interfaces on legacy motherboards and controller cards. If pin 28 is not grounded on the host interface, drives connected to either connector on the CSEL cable will be seen as slave. It will be common to find that pin 28 is open or high on many older IDE interfaces. This can be checked with a voltmeter. "
From Western Digital:
"For nearly all IDE devices, there are two configuration protocols used to determine the order in which a device on a cable is detected by the system. In the past, the most common method was the Master/Slave configuration, but the industry standard is moving towards a more user-friendly method, called Cable Select (CSEL). However, not all computer systems and IDE devices support the Cable Select option. To determine if your system is Cable Select compliant, refer to the information below."
For your convenience, you may study here:
http://www.firmware.com/support/bios/cablesel.htm
and here
http://www.wdc.com/products/drives/wd800bb.html
otterkin wrote:
- The cables are not 'special' in any way, any IDE
- cable can be used for cable select if you wish, and
- drives do not have to be set to cable select to
- function perfectly well on any Dell.
-
- In fact more problems are experienced using cable
- select than any other setting.
-
- Dell are probably the only manufacturer to ship as
- 'cable select' and they only do so to make life
- easier for their tech help when they are attempting
- to diagnose/advise over the 'phone.
- Nearly all manufacturers ship as master/slave, Dell
- are the exception.
-
- Otterkin
-
- Dimension 4100
- 933 MHz Intel PIII
- 384MB SDRAM
- Win98SE
- Western Digital 20GB HDD
- Samsung 612-SD DVD-ROM
- Plextor CD-R PW-W1610A
- Iomega Zip 100
- nVidia Riva TNT2 Model 64
- Dell E771p 17" Monitor