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December 28th, 2013 14:00
Dimension 9150 - 32 bit or 64 bit processor?
I have a Dell Dimension 9150 desktop. Does this machine have a 32 bit processor or a 64 bit processor?
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December 28th, 2013 14:00
This is not determined by the Model number of Dell.
Unless its a Pentium D or Core2 Duo processor its likely that its 32 bit.
It will show EMT64 capable or not in the F2 Bios settings under Processor Features.
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December 28th, 2013 18:00
Most likely, it's 64-bit.
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December 30th, 2013 04:00
The 9150 was produced around 2005 and that was just before the Core 2 duo CPUs were released.None of Intel's earlier CPUs (Core Duo, Pentium M, Celeron M, Pentium 4) implements EMT64
The following processors implement the Intel 64 architecture:
NetBurst microarchitecture
Xeon (all models since "Nocona")
Celeron (some models after "Prescott REV E0")
Pentium 4 (some models after "Prescott Rev E0")
Pentium D
Pentium Extreme Edition
Core microarchitecture
Xeon (all models since "Woodcrest")
Core 2 (including Mobile processors since "Merom")
Pentium Dual-Core (E2140, E2160, E2180, E2200, E2220, E5200, E5300, E5400, E6300, E6500, T2310, T2330, T2370, T2390, T3200 and T3400)
Celeron (Celeron 4x0; Celeron M 5xx; E3200, E3300, E3400)
ALL of the CORE DUO vs CORE2 DUO were 32 bit.
Unless its Penitum D or Core2 Duo it likely has a 32 bit Pentium 4 but this can be F2 verified in Bios as to whether
EMT64 is available or not under CPU features.
November, 2005
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 662 and 672
3.6 - 3.8 GHz
February, 2006
Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2050/2250/2350/2450
1.6/1.73/1.86/2.0 GHz
January, 2006
Intel® Pentium® D Processor 900
2.8 - 3.4 GHz
July, 2007
Intel® Core™2 Extreme quad-core QX6850
2.66-3.0 GHz
Intel® Core™2 Quad Q6700
2.66 GHz
Intel® Core™2 Duo E6550-E6850
2.33-3.0 GHz
Mobile Intel® Core™2 Extreme X7800
2.6GHz
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T7200/T7400/T7600
2.0 GHz
2.16 GHz
2.33 GHz
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December 30th, 2013 08:00
Intel had moved to 64-bit before the Core 2 series.
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December 30th, 2013 09:00
All the pre-Core 2 Dell 775s I have are 64-bit compatible. They include a GX620, OptiPlex 320, and Dimension 3100. My relative's 5150 is 64-bit-compatible, too.
I think's it's highly likely the CPU the OP is asking about is 64-bit-compatible, too, but you're right, it should be checked in the BIOS.
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December 30th, 2013 09:00
They had but there weren't early prescott cpus that had the feature. X64 started in the XEON line before Pentium 4 desktop line. There are 300 models before X64 and 29 that have x64
Aka 90 percent DO NOT have X64. Can be F2 verified in bios.
This is also why the max ram is 4 gigs.
Later Systems Like the Optiplex 745 and 755 can use 8 gigs of ram.
Wasn't until after the Rev E0 prescott's that X64 was introduced.
The 570J for example DOES NOT support X64
http://ark.intel.com/products/27475/
The 571(SL7P2)introduced 3rd QTR 2005 does.
http://ark.intel.com/de/products/27476/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-571-supporting-HT-Technology-1M-Cache-3_80-GHz-800-MHz-FSB
Willamette Nov 2000
Northwood Jan 2002
Prescott Mar 2004
Prescott XE Feb 2005
Cedar Mill Jan 2006
final revision of the Pentium 4 was Cedar Mill, released on January 5, 2006
Pentium 4 800Mhz FSB Socket T with HT, XD, EM64T, 2MB L2 cache and EIST (6XX)series
Pentium D (8XX) Series.
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December 30th, 2013 10:00
DDR2 8 gigs is common and easy on Optiplex 745's and 755's
Here is a user that is NOT able to get 2x 2 gig working in a 9150
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19500497/20343229.aspx
E310's also came with 2.8ghz SL7KH 32 bit prescott's most commonly.
The most common 2.8ghz p4's were 533mhz 1 meg prescotts which are NOT Emt64 compatible.
It is completely disingenuous to say that All prescotts support EMT64 especially PRE Rev E0.
Family Intel Pentium 4
Processor number 510
Part number B80547PE0721M
BX80547PE2800ET
Frequency (GHz) 2.8
Bus speed (MHz) 533
Clock multiplier 21
Socket type Socket 775 (LGA775)
CPUID 0F34h
Core stepping D0
Processor core Prescott
Manufacturing technology (micron) 0.09
L2 cache size (MB) 1
Core voltage (V) 1.25 - 1.4
Case temperature (°C) 67.7
http://ark.intel.com/products/27445/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-2_80-GHz-1M-Cache-533-MHz-FSB
The first digit, or the prefix letters and the first digit in the processor number,
can be used to identify Intel processor family:
4xx - Celeron
5xx - Pentium 4 Many not X64 compatable
6xx - Pentium 4
8xx - Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition
9xx - Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition
E1xxx - Celeron Dual-Core
E2xxx - Pentium Dual-Core
E3x00 - Celeron Dual-Core
E4xxx - Core 2 Duo
E5x00 - Pentium Dual-Core
E6xxx - Core 2 Duo
E6x00 - Pentium Dual-Core
E7x00 - Core 2 Duo
E8xxx - Core 2 Duo
G6xxx - Pentium Dual-Core
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December 30th, 2013 10:00
Statistically speaking the odds are that it is NOT x64 compatible. Which is why I made the 570 Prescott reference.
When they started supporting 8 gigs of ram and core2 duo it made more sense to support X64. F2 Definitely will tell without having to open the case and look or run software.
We went thru this with Our Optiplex 620's over 5000 of them. More than 75 percent had SL7KH
http://ark.intel.com/products/27445/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-2_80-GHz-1M-Cache-533-MHz-FSB
533mhz Prescotts. These were VERY common in many Dell models including the 620 and XPS400.
Only the High end versions had Pentium D 800 series. Some wanted to keep their system so we upgraded towers to Pentium D 960's and the heatsinks and updated them to PCI-E video and 4 gigs of ram. The rest were surplused and Optiplex 755's thru 780's were purchased a few at a time to replace them. Now everyone wants 64 bit windows 7 and 8 gigs of ram with Radeon 7750 because they see what a nice machine they are when they get that update.
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December 30th, 2013 10:00
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December 30th, 2013 10:00
By the time the Core 2 series was introduced, all of Intel's CPUs were 64-bit-compatible. My pre-Core 2 OptiPlex 320 has a Celeron CPU, and even it is 64-bit-compatible. My 3100 has the most common CPU available in the model, a 2.8ghz P4, and it is 64-bit-compatible.
8gb of RAM didn't become popular until DDR3 became available. With DDR2, 4gb was a premium configuration; in 2006, 2gb was premium.
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December 30th, 2013 11:00
"Intel's official launch of Intel 64 (under the name EM64T at that time) in mainstream desktop processors was the N0 Stepping Prescott-2M. All 9xx, 8xx, 6xx, 5x9, 5x6, 5x1, 3x6, and 3x1 series CPUs have Intel 64 enabled, as do the Core 2 CPUs, as will future Intel CPUs for workstations or servers. Intel 64 is also present in the last members of the Celeron Dline.
The first Intel mobile processor implementing Intel 64 is the Merom version of the Core 2 processor, which was released on 27 July 2006. None of Intel's earlier notebook CPUs (Core Duo, Pentium M, Celeron M, Mobile Pentium 4) implements Intel 64."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_64#Intel_64
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December 30th, 2013 11:00
The 521, 531, 541, 551, 561 and 571 P4s were introduced in late 2005 AKA Q4 2005
Rather than being a targeted speed boost the double size cache was intended
to provide the same space and hence performance for 64-bit mode operations.
Which is where the Prescott 2M comes from. However netburst turned out to be a bust with
more cache not helping and so netburst was abandoned in favor of the CORE design with less piplelines. This was also when bugs with EMT64 showed up.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/907892
The 519J is 32 bit only AS IS the 520
Note that the 32 bit prescott E0 parts also only have 1 meg Cache with the Celeron versions having less than that.
http://ark.intel.com/products/27457/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-519J-1M-Cache-3_06-GHz-533-MHz-FSB
http://ark.intel.com/products/27459/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-520-supporting-HT-Technology-1M-Cache-2_80-GHz-800-MHz-FSB
Dell Part
T7280 Prescott P4, 520, 2.8G, 1MB, Socket-T, E0, Mainstream AKA Most common.
SL87L specifications
Family Intel Pentium 4
Processor number ? 519J
Part number JM80547PE0831M
Frequency (GHz) 3.067
Bus speed (MHz) 533
Clock multiplier 23
Package type 775-land FC-LGA4
Socket type Socket 775 (LGA775)
CPUID 0F41h
Core stepping E0 NOT = N0
Processor core Prescott
Manufacturing technology (micron) 0.09
L2 cache size (MB) 1
Features Execute disable bit
Hyper-Threading technology
Thermal Monitor 2
Core voltage (V) 1.25 - 1.388
Case temperature (°C) 67.7
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December 30th, 2013 11:00
Dell Part
T7280 Prescott P4, 520, 2.8G, 1MB, Socket-T, E0, Mainstream
was the most common sold and 32 bit only.
Pentium D Smithfield 820, 830, 840 were also offered but most didnt go for this due to price.
KC794 Smithfield P4 Kit, 820, 2.8G, 2MB, Socket-T, Mainstream
KC795 Smithfield P4 Kit, 830, 3.0G, 2MB, Socket-T, Mainstream
KC796 Smithfield P4 Kit, 840, 3.2G, 2MB, Socket-T, Mainstream
These represent the MAX upgrade on the XPS400 / Dimension 9150
There were ZERO Core2 anything nor E Series Dual Core etc. This combined with the 4 Gig Ram Limitations mean it was pointless to put an x64 processor in this model series.
Part Number T7280/ 0T7280 compatible with the following Dell Models:
DIMENSION 4700, Dimension 5100, Dimension 5100C, Dimension XPS 400, Dimension 9100,
Dimension 9150, OptiPlex GX280, OptiPlex GX520, OptiPlex GX620, OptiPlex SX280, PowerEdge 800,
PowerEdge SC420, Precision Workstation 370, Precision WorkStation 380
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December 30th, 2013 11:00
I didn't say that, just that Intel CPUs were all 64-bit by the time the Core 2s were released.
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I previously stated that if it was CORE 2 Duo or Pentium D that it was likely EMT64 compatible.
But the earlier CORE DUO and Prescotts especially 500 series were most likely SL7KH and 533mhz 1 meg cache and 32 bit only.
Either way this can be F2 Verified quickly in BIOS.
X64 should not be confused however with PAE ,SSE2 and XD requirements for windows 8.
My take on those systems in 2005 was
Dell Dimension 9150 (Pentium 4 520 2.8GHz, 512MB RAM, 60GB HDD, XP Home)
I am also thinking that Like the Optiplex 620 the 9150 supports Pentium D series MAX.
NO CORE 2 Duo or Dual Core Pentium E series and 4 gigs maximum Ram.
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December 30th, 2013 12:00
A key goal of a 64-bit CPU is the ability to operate on 64-bit numbers, so it's not pointless to put a 64-bit CPU in a 4gb-limited model. Thus, many models (Dell and otherwise) limited to 4gb or less did have 64-bit CPUs.