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October 19th, 2006 14:00

Linux USB Problems on Dimension E521 AMD 64 X2

Hi,

Anyone else try running Linux (in my case Ubuntu 6.06) on the E521 with the AMD 64 X2 processor? I am having a problem when using xorg where my USB devices, more often my mouse, but my keyboard has had the problem as well stops working. It is almost like the interrupts start getting masked, but it isn't that. Because when the mouse stops working I am usually able to still use the keyboard.

It happens after a while, and usually in times of heavy use. I guess really instead of heavy I would say normal. But it has never happened that it will be working and then I let it lay idle for a while and then reach for it again and it be frozen.

This started happening under the amd64 version of Ubuntu but I have tried several different versions by now and the problem continues to happen.

As far as troubleshooting it has been a real pain. There is never a message in the kernel log or shown by running dmesg. Actually once or twice I have seen the irq status -71 received, but I am pretty sure that is not the cause, becuase it has only happened about twice out of maybe 40 occurances. And there is no message in the Xorg log either.

I have tried the default amd64-generic kernel the latest amd64-generic, the latest amd64-k8 kernel (I think 2.6.15-27.48) I have tried running the i386 uniprocessor kernel and the latest k7-smp kernel. All of them have the same problem.

In an effort to get to the bottom of it I have re-compiled the kernel according to the directions here: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Kernel_Compilation_Dapper and turned on debugfs and collected data, but there doesn't seem to be anything of interest. It seems I get hundreds of thousands of lines of -115 status (Which I believe is the controller just telling the device that yeah, I hear ya and I am going to do something EINPROGRESS) and then nothing. The mouse appears to continue to function at least the circuit which senses movement and turns the LED into bright mode. And under Windows I have had no problems at all.

The only solution that always works is to disconnect the USB cable and then reconnect it, which grabs a new device file /dev/input/event7 and probably does some other magic registers with the USB controller, and a bunch of other stuff and then the mouse starts working again.

The only other consistent problem I have noted is the IOAPIC stuff complains about a bug, and sometimes it won't boot and panics, other times it figures out a way to get by and does so. Because of this I have tried booting with noapic and other than changing the way /proc/interrupts looks there seems to be no change in the problem. Eventually under usage the mouse stops responding entirely. Even looking at cat /dev/input/mice there is nothing getting there.

I have upgraded the BIOS to 1.0.3 that had no effect. And also turned off the Cool and Quiet support in the bios.

Any thoughts, recommendations of how to proceed, or any other suggestions are appreciated.

Thank you,
Kevin

January 12th, 2007 02:00


fiestachickens wrote: I've been following these posts pretty closely, and it looks as if the problems have been largely resolved with the new BIOS update. So would anyone actually recommend getting an E521n with the new fix?
That depends. My E521 runs with 32-bit openSUSE just fine; however, running any 64-bit kernel seems to be a grey area ( including Windows XP 64-bit). I'm also having two problems that could be traceable to the PCI-E bus, but I haven't spent enough time troubleshooting either one to comment further. If you're looking to run VMware Server or VMware Workstation, I can heartily recommend the E521; load Linux 32-bit, then start creating 32- or 64-bit machines all day long. If you're looking for an inexpensive and reliable example of modern 64-bit hardware, look anywhere but here! I would suggest, instead, Sun Microsystems. Apple Computer also has some great choices, and come with BSD pre-installed ;-)

January 15th, 2007 14:00

Anyone using OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64 can confirm that a powered USB hub solves the problem? Mouse still freezes on my E521 every 1-2 hours after BIOS update. 32-bit OS is not a choice to me since I need to use all of the 4GB memory.

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January 15th, 2007 15:00


@bigbearking wrote:
Anyone using OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64 can confirm that a powered USB hub solves the problem? Mouse still freezes on my E521 every 1-2 hours after BIOS update. 32-bit OS is not a choice to me since I need to use all of the 4GB memory.




32-bit has a 16GB limitation.

January 15th, 2007 17:00

Isn't 2^32=4G and the some memory space(1G?) is reserved for the kernel?

I really want to run 64-bit OS since I have another desktop running 32-bit Linux.



@batsy wrote:

@bigbearking wrote:
Anyone using OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64 can confirm that a powered USB hub solves the problem? Mouse still freezes on my E521 every 1-2 hours after BIOS update. 32-bit OS is not a choice to me since I need to use all of the 4GB memory.




32-bit has a 16GB limitation.


January 15th, 2007 18:00

My E521 works very well with an externally powered USB Hub.
I have Slamd64 (slakware for AMD64) and Gentoo for AMD64.
I have a Athlon 64 X2 4200 with 2GB of memory. I have added a second hard drive and a graphic card (Nvidia 7600 GS). All this works very well in SMP.

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January 16th, 2007 01:00

Hi,
I want to by Dell Dimension C521 and install Fedora Core 6 i386
Hardware spec :
AMD Athlon 64 processor 3500+
256MB 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM
Intergrated NVIDIA GeForce 6150LE

1. Any problem with that spec ?

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January 16th, 2007 11:00



syzuhdi wrote:
Hi,
I want to by Dell Dimension C521 and install Fedora Core 6 i386
Hardware spec :
AMD Athlon 64 processor 3500+
256MB 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM
Intergrated NVIDIA GeForce 6150LE

1. Any problem with that spec ?

Before you do, make sure you have the latest BIOS provided by dell (v. 1.1.4). If you don´t have, download it from dell's site and update your BIOS. Then everything should work fine. If it doesn´t, try to boot fedora with the "noapic" option in the kernel line.

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January 16th, 2007 11:00

Yes. I have C521 running FC6 with BIOS 1.1.4.
My boot args are "acpi=noirq".

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January 16th, 2007 13:00



mwette wrote:
Yes. I have C521 running FC6 with BIOS 1.1.4.
My boot args are "acpi=noirq".


Hello, mwette:
 
1 - What is your CPU?
 
2 - What happens if you remove the acpi=noirq from the boot line?
 
Thanks!!!

January 16th, 2007 18:00



Hephaistos2 wrote:
My E521 works very well with an externally powered USB Hub.
I have Slamd64 (slakware for AMD64) and Gentoo for AMD64.
I have a Athlon 64 X2 4200 with 2GB of memory. I have added a second hard drive and a graphic card (Nvidia 7600 GS). All this works very well in SMP.

So would you recommend the E521, assuming an external USB hub is purchased?

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January 17th, 2007 00:00

Duli,

My CPU is X2 3800+. If I boot with no args, /proc/interrupts
reports that my INT0 is via XT-PIC, which if my understanding
is correct, is not a desired configuration. If I boot with
acpi=noirq, I get IO-APIC fed interrupt for INT0.

Matt

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January 17th, 2007 01:00



@mwette wrote:
Duli,

My CPU is X2 3800+. If I boot with no args, /proc/interrupts
reports that my INT0 is via XT-PIC, which if my understanding
is correct, is not a desired configuration. If I boot with
acpi=noirq, I get IO-APIC fed interrupt for INT0.

Matt




Hey, Matt, thanks a lot for the info. Very helpful. I'll try that on my friend's C521 and see what happens!

Cheers!

January 17th, 2007 03:00



@fiestachickens wrote:


@Hephaistos2 wrote:
My E521 works very well with an externally powered USB Hub.
I have Slamd64 (slakware for AMD64) and Gentoo for AMD64.
I have a Athlon 64 X2 4200 with 2GB of memory. I have added a second hard drive and a graphic card (Nvidia 7600 GS). All this works very well in SMP.

So would you recommend the E521, assuming an external USB hub is purchased?





I don't recommend it, and I don't recommend to avoid it either, but I think that it is possible to use 64 bits Linux on it, with all the hardware working. I think that the problem could be completely solved by some modifications in the Linux kernel (as was done for Windows XP), and then an external USB hub will not be necessary.

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January 17th, 2007 11:00

According to an Ubuntu forum treating the same problem, the BIOS upgrade just released seems to solve the problem. Anyone with the same experience with other distributions?

I'm running SuSE 10.1 myself (andno dual boot), can someone give some help on how to upgrade the BIOS?

/Rickard

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January 17th, 2007 11:00



bensow wrote:
According to an Ubuntu forum treating the same problem, the BIOS upgrade just released seems to solve the problem. Anyone with the same experience with other distributions?

I'm running SuSE 10.1 myself (andno dual boot), can someone give some help on how to upgrade the BIOS?

/Rickard

1 - Download the upgrade executable file from DELL.
2 - Boot your system with FreeDos.
3 - Execute the .exe (somthing like xxx-010104.exe)

 
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