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September 1st, 2004 00:00

New problems, old Dimension

I recently took my old Dell out of hibernation and rebuilt it. It's a Dimension XPS R450, about 5yrs. old. Motherboard, processor & sound card are the same. What's new is the Hard Drive and the CD-R, new USB 2.0 4+ card, Linksys 10/100 Ethernet card. I rebuilt it to install Linux, evaluate it and if satisfied, set it up as a secondary system. Problem is, I can't install Linux. Not just one distrib, several. I've tried the downloaded SuSe 9.1 eval ISO, Mandrake 10.0 ISO and finally today I went out and bought SuSe 9.1 Personal boxed. Still can't do it.

This is what happens: 

I boot from the CD, the primary actions take place allright (partitioning, etc.) then it moves into install. Things begin and run for maybe 30secs. but at some point (around 5%) the install locks up. I reboot and try again with no luck. I came here because 1) I just found out about this forum and 2)I was starting to suspect that it could be the motherboard, which is an Intel but fiddled with by Dell.

Here's my system info:

Microprocessor type: Intel Pentium II with MMXâ„¢ technology

Intel® SR440BX Motherboard

Hard Drive: Samsung SV0432D EIDE 4.0GB

CD-ROM: Hitachi CDR-8130

Memory: 384MB RAM

Graphics controller: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440

Sound Card: Turtle Beach Montego 2 A3D

Linksys Fast Ethernet 10/100 network card

USB 2.0 controllers

BIOS Settings: (BIOS is A12)

Primary IDE Master: [SAMSUNG SV0432D-(PM)]
Primary IDE Slave: [NONE]
Secondary IDE Master: [HITACHI CDR-8130]
Secondary IDE Slave: [NONE]
IDE Controller: [BOTH]

L2 ECC Support [AUTO]
Plug & Play OS [NO]

Video Configuration:
Palette Snooping: [DISABLED]
AGP Aperture Size: 64MB
Primary Video Adapter: AGP

Resources: All available; IRQ 3,4,5,7,10,11

Boot Priority:
First Boot Device: [HITACHI CDR-8130]
Second Boot Device: [SAMSUNG SV0432D-(PM)]
Third Boot Device: [Removable Devices]

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Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? If you think you have an idea or another link (perhaps within Dell itself) please let me know. Also, has anyone ever tried to update the BIOS on a Dell board with an Intel update?

 Thanks

September 1st, 2004 07:00

what are the error message(s)? can you even see them? Maybe try alt-F1 through alt-F10 (you may need ctrl-alt-f10 if you're in a windows mode). I know suse dumps log info to tty10 - maybe that will show you something helpful.

without much more info other than it just "hanging" there not much else I can think of. Maybe try knoppix or other linux live-cds. then you get a full linux system without the install issues, which might help for bug squashing...

cheers

September 9th, 2004 00:00

Oh yeah there is also an install option to switch off automatic hardware detection.This is suppose to help difficult installs.I haven't used it much but you might need more hardware info with you during the install.

September 9th, 2004 00:00

Most linux distros don't have the driver for the montego 2 sound card included.There is a linux driver for it.It's an ALSA driver and you can download it sepeatelt for free.That shouldn't prevent an install but will show an error message during the install.I have had problems with USA and firwire cards.Even if it's not a card USA printers and USB devices can cause problems.I seem to remember certain USA mice and keyboards must be in certain USA ports.It's best to avoid all USB devices if possible,or add them later.The latest version of Kanotix http://kanotix.com/info/index.php has the driver for the montego 2 sound card.It's an installable live CD based on Knoppix.It works better for me.Mandrake 10 has a few problems.Suse 9.1 works well for me.Mepis should be a good one but the best I've tried so far has been Kanotix &A.Buffalo Linux 1.4.1 and Vector Linux 4.0 SOHOrc1 are one disk distros that work well.Buffalo is very up to date and Vector runs an older kernel but gives fewer install problems.Try Kanotix 7A first as a live CD then maybe install it.I'm using Simply Mepis 2004.01 now.The only one that had the driver for the Montego 2 sound card was Kanotix 7A and everything else worked fine too.

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September 9th, 2004 04:00

Thanks for the suggestions. As I have allready bought the personal version of SuSe 9.1 that's the one I'm going to try & stick to (if it can be done). You know what really pe'ed me off? I sent an email to Dell support, not neccesarily asking for support per se, just a straight answer to a simple question. Does the Dell A13 or even the older A12 BIOS prohibit a Linux install? I suspected it might, and if they would say so I'd at least know what the problem was. Their only response was that they don't support Linux. I know that. Just tell me if it can be done. Dick heads. Well I'm having trouble trying to create an Intel BIOS update, their instructions to create a boot disk are wrong. A certain file is missing. I'm waiting to hear back from them. If I make any headway I'll keep this post updated. Thanks again.

September 9th, 2004 08:00

Yes I found the bios instructions for making floppy incorrect also.Suse 9.1 is really nice.I haven't tried it with that sound card but I have the Montego 2 in a 733mhz P3 and use Kanotix in it.The bios shouldn't make too much difference.Are you getting the bios download from Dell or from Intel?In a Dell you can normally flash to an Intel bios but once you do you can't install any Dell Bios.For bios I would try the one you have or get the latest one.I found it best to stay with Dell bios.There should be some boot/install options in Suse 9.1.Turn off the laptop detection I forget exactly what it's called.You can turn off all hardware auto detect but that leaves more work for you to do.After install if it doesn't support your sound card you can download it from ALSA website and there are really good websites with Suse software. http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/SuSE_Linux_9.1_(i586).html . http://www.linuxiso.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19447 . http://packman.links2linux.org/ . http://linuxiso.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=36

September 10th, 2004 20:00

http://freshmeat.net/projects/openaureal?topic_id=155

September 10th, 2004 20:00

http://www.linuxgames.com/news/feedback.php?identiferID=6371 The only bios I see listed for your PC now is A13.The link has the linux driver for you sound card.The Montego II has the Vortex 2 AU8830 chip.Look at your boot options when installing Suse 9.1 and switch off everything it gives you a choice to switvh off.

September 10th, 2004 20:00

Different chip but similar driver.I only got mine working with Kanotix.It's a good CD to download http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114607&highlight=aureal

September 10th, 2004 20:00

http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/openvortex

September 10th, 2004 20:00

History

Aureal Semiconductor was a little company from Fremont, CA that for a long time worked on contracts of the US government, the Department of Defense.

After acquisition of Crystal River Engineering (a research company that developed one of the first 3D-positional sound algorithms) in June of 1996, Aureal was about to enter the market. In September of 1996 Aureal announced its 3D-positional sound technology for PCs called A3D, closely followed by several competitors, such as Dolby Laboratories and Creative Technology.

In 1998-1999 Aureal sold a large quantity of Vortex series chips to several soundcard-manufacturing companies (mostly to Diamond Multimedia and Turtle Beach Systems). Aureal also manufactured sound cards (though they used PCBs of Diamond Multimedia).

In April of 2000, after terrible financial results in Q4 of 1999 (sales ceased to $8.5 million from $10.8 for the year-ago quarter, while losses jumped sky high to $9.5 million from $3.5 for the same previous-year quarter), Aureal Semiconductor was declared a bankrupt. In common words, the company simply ran out of money: total loss for 1998 financial year figured into $18.5 million, followed by $26.9 million loss in 1999. The last nail into Aureal's coffin was probably a trial process with Creative (patent infringement), which cost to Aureal about $6.4 million in 1999. Creative had won and was satisfied, and lawyers of both sides were happy as well.

Finally, in September of 2000 moribund Aureal Semiconductor was acquired by... Creative, for $32 million. The end.

Hardware

Well, there are 3 different chips: Vortex (Au8820), Vortex Advantage (Au8810) and Vortex2 (Au8830). All of them are interfaced to PCI bus, support PCM playback and recording at sampling rates up to 48kHz, provide hardware acceleration for Microsoft DirectSound (DirectSound3D) using A3D API. The last model, Vortex2, also provides second stereo channel and hardware acceleration for A3D 2.0 API.

My personal opinion. Vortex-based sound cards are a good choice for home non-professional use, especially when it comes to PC gaming. For example, Vortex2-based cards offer good Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR), Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) and InterModulation Distortion (IMD) when measured using analogue loopback, though THD+N (+ Noise) isn't as good as it could be. But remember, all Vortex-based sound cards use regular AC'97-compatible audio converters, so don't expect too much.

Drivers

Aureal Semiconductor had released a very good driver for Win9x, a version for WinNT 4.0, and a beta release for Win2000 (it doesn't support hardware DirectSound acceleration). In 1999 was issued a driver for Linux; a modified version is still available in many places over the Net. As of FreeBSD, Alexander Matey had written a driver, too; it runs under newpcm sound subsystem, so it's rather an interface than a real driver. I had hacked it a little for compatibility reasons.

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September 11th, 2004 00:00

Thanks to all at this forum for helping me with this. I've resolved the problem and finally installed SuSe Linux. The problem was the old hard drive, the Samsung SV0432D. Even though I ran Samsungs' bootable diagnostics on it (passed all tests) and the drive was listed as compatible at many sites, this one wasn't. Who knows why. I repaced it with a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 20Gb for around $50. I guess I was just too cheap to dig in my pockets, kept insisting it must be software or configuration related. Being cheap sometimes ends up being costly. A lesson learned. I may try and find a location where reviews of hardware compatibility are posted. I'd like to report my problem. Save the next guy some grief. Thanks again to you all! 

September 11th, 2004 03:00

That's good to hear.20 gigs is plenty for linux.You can upgrade Suse 9.1 personal to 9.1 professional by downloading the additional software.Look here for instructions http://www.linuxiso.org/forums/viewforum.php?forum=36 Also you can add the mutlimedia codecs and dvd software that;s not included in Suse.
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