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November 24th, 2006 22:00

48-bit lba support for dimension 5100?

i have a dimension 5100 with bios a01 and its running on windows xp. i just bought a 300 gig hard drive today and the manual mentioned something about having 48-bit lba support for hard drives with 137gb+. i was just wondering if my current system can support the new hard drive, or do i need to upgrade to bio a03?

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November 24th, 2006 23:00

Models form two or three years ago needed the BIOS upgrade for 48 bit LBA support.  Such support should be native to the BIOS for your model.  The Partitioining tool is part of Windows XP.  If you are installing this drive as a secondary drive, then you should not the Windows XP CD, as you can do it from within Windows.  If you are planning to install Windows on this drive, then there is no way you can do that without the Windows XP CD.   See the FAQ at the top of the Software - Windows XP forum for information on what you have to do to get the Windows XP CD.
 
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November 24th, 2006 23:00

Well, stick in the hard drive and try. Try to partition with a XP SP2 CD or partitioning tool. If it can see 300GB then you know ti works

November 24th, 2006 23:00

well, i don't have an xp cd because dell didn't ship one to me. is the partitioning tool necessary for my computer to see if it can support 300gb or not? i searched this topic for other dimension desktops, and it seems their 48bit lba problem can be fixed with just an update of bios. and if updating bios isnt necessary, i'll consider the partitioning tool. any suggestions for a freeware partitioning tool?

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November 27th, 2006 23:00

Bios update has specifically to do with MSDOS partitions. If you format NTFS this is not an issue when you have XP with service packs and the appropriate registry hacks. That is done by oems using sysprep which is not given out to end users.   No version of windows that doesnt have service packs supports 48 bit LBA.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303013

Note Windows XP does not support 48-bit LBA support unless you are running Windows XP SP1. If you want to use 48-bit LBA support, you must apply Windows XP SP1 or later. Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows XP Tablet PC Edition already include SP1.

Most modern bios allow 48 bit LBA.

ALL VERSIONS of windows out of the box DO NOT SUPPORT 48 bit LBA.

The maxtor Big drive enabler works with ALL DRIVES all manufacturers AKA its not drive specific it just hacks a registry key on 2000/XP.

Enabling this key DOES NOT make Unsupported BIOS 48 bit lba.

They will neither confirm nor deny any such compatability further complcated
by the fact that NO VERSION OF WINDOWS out of the box supports 48 Bit LBA.

Win98 needs the Application Accelerator and a Patched version of FDISK to partition and format a huge drive.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=263044

WIN2000/XP/2003 Need Service Packs and a registry hack like that from the Maxtor Big IDE enabler.

http://service.maxtor.com/rightnow/product_manuals/137GB_Solutions.pdf


137Gigabyte barrier solutions:
This information applies to the necessary steps that need to be taken to break the 137
Gigabyte barrier, whenever a Hard Disk drive larger than 137 Gigabytes is connected to the
motherboard's ATA bus. This does not apply to embedded or add-in Serial ATA, or ATA/133 hosts.
The Serial ATA and ATA/133 hosts should have 48-Bit compliant BIOS and drivers. Check with the
motherboard or add-in host manufacturer for the latest BIOS and driver updates, for these types
of controllers. Currently there are 3 options to remedy the 137 Gigabyte barrier. Failure to
implement the solutions will result in data loss when trying to access the hard disk beyond 137 Gigabytes.

Installation Option 1:
For drives attached to the primary or secondary channel on the motherboard controller, use
Windows XP (service pack 1 or newer) or Windows 2000 (service pack 3 or newer), and install
MaxBlast 3, or Maxtor Big Drive Enabler. Windows XP and 2000 with the newest service packs
can be used without additional hardware requirements. This option assumes you are attaching
the hard drive to the primary or secondary motherboard controller. If you are attaching the
hard drive to an additional controller (e.g., PCI adapter card), see option 3.
Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the primary or secondary motherboard controller.
Step 2: Install one of the following operating systems: Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 1
or newer. Microsoft Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3 or newer.
Step 3: Install MaxBlast 3, or Run Maxtor Big Drive Enabler software patch.

Installation Option 2: For drives attached to the primary or secondary channel on the motherboard controller-and you don't have Windows XP (service pack 1 or newer) or Windows 2000 (service pack 3 or newer)
-install a 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE ATA/ATAPI controller driver, and run the driver installation software.
If you are not using Windows XP (service pack 1 or newer) or Windows 2000 (service pack 3 or newer),
you must use an IDE ATA/ATAPI controller driver supplied by the controller chipset manufacturer to
provide 48-Bit LBA support. This option assumes you are attaching the hard drive to the primary or
secondary motherboard controller. If you are attaching a hard drive to an additional controller
(e.g., PCI adapter card), see option 3.

Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the primary or
secondary motherboard controller, and install the operating system.

Step 2: Identify the chipset used in your operating system, and load the appropriate drivers if available from the chipset manufacturer.
Currently the only chipset manufacturer offering 48-Bit compliant motherboard controller drivers is Intel.

The driver effectively replaces the Windows 98/Me, 2000 and XP, ATA controller drivers.
The Intel 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE ATA/ATAPI controller drivers are limited to systems with Intel chipsets,
and support the following chipsets only: 810, 810E, 810E2, 810L, 815, 815EP, 815G, 815EG, 815P, 820, 820E,
840, 845, 845E, 845G, 845GE, 845GL, 845GV, 845PE, 850, 850E, 860. The Intel Application Accelerator can be
obtained here http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/iaa/ Please read Intel's accompanying documentation
and recommendations. You will need to periodically check other chipset and motherboard manufacturer's web
sites for 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE ATA/ATAPI controller drivers as they become available.

Installation Option 3:
Attach the large hard drive to an embedded or add-in Serial ATA/ ATA133 controller with a 48-Bit LBA compliant
BIOS and controller driver. Older Microsoft Operating Systems and other Operating Systems, such as LINUX variants,
can support large drives with the addition of an IDE ATA/ATAPI controller. Some of these are embedded motherboard

controllers, but additional card controllers can be added to a system by inserting the controller
in an open PCI bus slot. Most IDE ATA/ATAPI drive controllers capable of 48-Bit LBA support, such as those
available from Promise, Highpoint, VIA, have 48-Bit LBA compliant drivers for many of these operating systems.
Using an IDE ATA/ATAPI controller that has a 48-Bit LBA compatible controller driver will allow safe use of
large drives beyond the previous limits of 137 GB capacity. Additional controllers that do not have 48-Bit compliant
drivers cannot safely access drives larger than 137 GB. Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the additional
controller (e.g., PCI adapter card). Step 2: Install a 48-Bit LBA compatible controller driver. Most IDE ATA/ATAPI
drive controllers capable of 48-Bit LBA support, such as those available from Promise, Highpoint, VIA, and other

manufacturers, have 48-Bit LBA compliant drivers for many operating systems. If your additional controller does
not come with a 48-Bit LBA compliant controller driver, you must download one from the motherboard or chipset
manufacturer's Web site. MaxBlast 3 and Maxtor Big Drive Enabler for Windows 2000 service pack 3 and Windows
XP service pack 1 After connecting a large drive to the motherboard's ATA bus, and installing Windows 2000 or
XP with the latest service packs. The Windows registry will need a patch to enable large drive support.

You can reference Microsoft KB article # Q30313 for Windows XP,

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=303013

or Microsoft KB article # Q305098 for Windows 2000.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=305098
You have two options for enabling big drive support in Windows 2000, or XP after the service packs have been installed.

Install MaxBlast 3 Windows version that is included in the retail kit,
or download the Maxtor Big Drive Enabler.

http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/big_drive_enabler.htm


1. After the service packs are installed, download the Maxtor Big Drive Enabler to your
Windows desktop and double click the icon, or Install MaxBlast 3 to the Windows desktop,
(Remove the CD it's bootable) and re-boot the system.
2. When the system is back to the Windows desktop, run MaxBlast 3 from the desktop icon.
3. MaxBlast 3, or the Big Drive Enabler will poll the Windows operating system for the
existence of the service packs.
4. If Windows 2000 service pack 3 or Windows XP service pack 1 are true, a pop-up screen
will display.
5. After selecting "OK" the system will re-boot to the Windows desktop.



 

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