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September 23rd, 2003 02:00

9800 to 9800 Pro Conversion

This isn't a new subject here in the Dimension Video forum (see THIS THREAD), but thought I'd pass along my recent experience in doing it. A word of caution right up front--the supply of 9800 non-Pro cards seems to be drying up fast, so you may have considerable difficulty finding one. I got one HERE, but they're sold out now. The best advice I can give you is to poke around in Pricewatch.com.

The conversion requires a 9800 non-Pro card, but NOT the "SE" model, which only has a 128-bit memory bus and won't flash to a Pro. You also need to find one with good quality memory, generally Samsung. Cards with Infineon memory rarely work well with this conversion, since it can't take the speed. Most of the successful reports I saw were for Sapphire cards, and that's what I used, too. If you can find one, expect to pay in the $250 - $300 range. This is still between $50 to $150 less than you'd be paying for a 128MB 9800 Pro card, depending on brand and features, so it's a very attractive deal.

To do the conversion, I just followed the instructions that I found HERE to the letter. Worked like a charm, with no complications at all. Upon reboot after doing the BIOS flash, the card was detected as a 9800 Pro and I reinstalled the Catalyst 3.7 drivers. Rage3D's Radeon Tweak Utility showed the core/memory speeds at 378/337.5, as expected for the Pro (the non-Pro came at 324/290). After running the card at these default speeds to confirm that all was working properly, I began overclocking to see how far I could push the clockspeeds. The highest I could get without seeing fairly substantial visual artifacts was 400/351. Not a big OC on a percentage basis, but this is just gravy on top of the Pro conversion.

I ran a set of five benchmarks on the card in stock, Pro, and OC'ed Pro configurations. Here are the results, along with comparison data for Radeon 9500, 9600, and 9700 cards. Memory clockspeeds are shown doubled, since all of these cards use DDR RAM. Beneath the table are links to bar graphs for each of the five benchmarks:

3DMark03 Graph

3DMark2001 SE Graph

UT2003 Flyby Graph

Quake 3 Arena Graph

GL Excess Graph

Message Edited by duhvoodooman on 09-22-2003 11:46 PM

September 23rd, 2003 23:00

Does teh conversion viod dells warrenty on teh video card?  Also do dell 9800's come with Samsung or Infinion ram?  Will the conversion make teh video card hotter?

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September 24th, 2003 13:00

If people are having probs finding 9800 NPs, they can just go to their local Best Buy (in the US): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051826247056&skuId=5517773&type=product though I can't guarantee these will have the Samsung memory (I never looked at the chips on mine to see what brand).

Message Edited by Gen-An on 09-24-2003 10:52 AM

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September 24th, 2003 16:00

That's a good lead. Any chance you could pull out your 9800 and have a look at the memory? Would love to know if it has the good Samsung stuff....

 

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September 24th, 2003 16:00

1) Yeah, I'm sure it does. Never stopped me, though....

2) Couldn't tell you.

3) A bit, but shouldn't be a problem if your card & case cooling is adequate.

 

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September 25th, 2003 04:00

Just got my 9800np with my 4600 today from Dell. Has the Samsung 322 K402G328E-Gc33

 

Message Edited by akaricke on 09-25-2003 04:07 PM

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September 25th, 2003 13:00

Yea you have pretty good memory.  Rated at 3.3ns.  Samsung memory such as the kind you have are known for going above and beyond their rated speeds.

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September 26th, 2003 14:00

I check my 9800NP as well, and I too have the Samsung RAM.

I guess most of the 9800NP's from Dell come with Samsung RAM?

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September 26th, 2003 16:00

Just got my XPS, i will check my 9800NP tonight and post stats.

Is there anyway to tell without opening the case. ie: an info program?

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September 26th, 2003 20:00

Jag,

Just open the case and shine a flash light on your ati card. You don't have to remove it to view the memory chips. They are right on top of the video card.

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September 26th, 2003 21:00

Darnit!  Just popped my box open and shined the flashlight in there.  Wouldn't you know it, Infineon

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September 26th, 2003 22:00

My flashlight just showed Samsung 3.3. Sorry dude

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September 26th, 2003 22:00

Likely, ATI wouldn't want its own retail cards to be overclockable to the Pro speeds so they probably purposely use Infineon chips.  3rd party companies like Powercolor probably don't mind as much.

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September 27th, 2003 02:00

Don't worry, many people have had success with Infineon memory.

You should not simply overclock a card anyways. The best way is to do the 9800np to 9800pro bios flash. The bios flash steps up the voltage settings to Pro voltages which allow the increased memory speeds in the Pro bios to work better without artifacts. The steps are shown in the forum here and do a Google search. Very simple procedure, but it can cause problems if done incorrectly. READ directions several times before attempting. Also realize it WILL void your warranty. I choose not to do it because my 9800np from Dell gives awesome 3d Marks as it is.

Message Edited by akaricke on 09-26-2003 10:18 PM

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September 27th, 2003 11:00

Is there anyway to tell if i have pro or nonpro using a program?

 My desktop display says i have pro, but i know i only ordered NP. My clock speeds through Ragetweak3d are core: 324, mem 290. My guess is that Windowz is reporting it wrong.

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September 27th, 2003 13:00

All you need to know about this conversion is HERE.
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