I get roughly the same temp (right now it's 141 F). The memory cover is by far the hottest spot on the case. I don't know whether it's normal to run that hot or not.
"I get roughly the same temp (right now it's 141 F). The memory cover is by far the hottest spot on the case. I don't know whether it's normal to run that hot or not. " facula
It is for Dell, but it shouldn't be. Dell's excuse is that it gets that hot because of the number of components placed into a small area and that the heat issues occur with nearly all notebooks. I find exactly the opposite. Every other notebook I work on (Toshiba, Acer, Compaq, IBM) never get as hot as the Dell notebooks (especially Latitudes.) I think it's just a flaw that has existed forever with Dell notebooks.
I wonder if running at this temperature, 147-152(F), on a daily basis will eventually fry the memory. The maximum temperature for sdram, according to Micron, is 158--exceeding this will cause permanent damage--but I don't know what extended use a few degrees below that temperature will do.
I've never had a Dell notebooks memory get fried. More than that, if the computer got too hot (like mine often did) it would simply just die and you'd have to sit the thing on a block of ice to get it to cool down far enough to get it to turn back on. (Oh, yes, Dell knew about the problem but couldn't do anything to fix it. They replaced near every part in the computer but it didn't do anything. The computer just got hot.)
The only thing is, I don't see why I should have to buy a notebook cooler. It seems to me that it shouldn't have to be necessary and I don't have to use one on any other notebooks besides those from Dell.
Yes.The D800 memory is very very hot after system running 1-2 hours.I can't bear it!!! I announce this to the Dell engineers,but not get their's feedback.
Hey Adam, I'm with you. I'm sick of people telling me to spend yet more money to "protect my investment" (no offence, Manoj, you are far from the first and I realise we each have our own opinions). But seriously, the idea of paying over $2,000 for a machine and then having to buy a whole bunch of accessories just to make sure it doesn't destroy itself through its own flawed design seems somewhat farcical to me.
Adam, you posted that you were cancelling the D800 order and going with a Compaq instead - what happened to that idea?
Even if the rams were not getting hot, I would still be using the notebook cooler. Infact after I placed my order for the D800, I bought the notebook cooler already. So when I got the D800, the notebook cooler was already being used.
It really protects your investment regardless of the rams getting hot or not.
The surfaceof the D800 is now barely warm.
The notebook cooler costed about US $18.
Actually I am now looking for a bigger notebook cooler. The one I have now is 14" only. I need a bigger one.
Got my D800 today, powered it up and it all looks nice. I've put 1gb (2x512) of Crucial ram into it and winblows is finally working the way it should (with 128MB) :-}
And most definitely I DO NOT like the excessive heat produced underneath the laptop, in the middle, right where the memory is. I do not like the idea of my ram, that I paid extra $300 on top of the cost of the computer getting this hot, or the prospect that some day it might fail due to warping or buckling under so much heat. The keyboard itself gets warm on the top (around the nipple is) which just constantly reminds me of the heat issue...
So why would we have to buy a laptop cooler to cool a LAPtop. It kinda beats the purpose of a LAPtop if I can't even keep it on my lap. Maybe I can sue Dell for possible burns endured by the excessive heat generated from their hardware, or there's a clause somewhere in the EULA that says "Don't put the LAPtop on your lap"?
I've been following this thread and consequently watching my memory temps on my M60. I have seen the DIMM temp go as high as 74C (165F) - which is
way too hot in my opinion. Most of the time the temp hovers around 62-65C (143-149F) which is still smokin'. Anyone hear of any information from Dell regarding optimum/maximum DIMM operating temperatures?
I havent read anything about optimal temperature except that they say around 65C is "normal" (mine is around 66-69C at times). I just wonder if Crucial will honour a warranty on my RAM if it fries due to overheating...
Actually we keep referring to the D800 as a laptop but it actually is a notebook.
Laptops days were when we were using Pentium II CPUs.
I don't put my D800 on my lap. Well I normally work on a desk in the office and when I go for my meetings I put the D800 on a desk as well. I don't really need to work with the D800 on my lap.
This is why I use a notebook cooler for my D800. At times with good room temperature and with the notebook cooler the ram temp stays around 40 degrees C. The CPU temp can be around 27 degrees C, hard disk around 26 degrees C, GPU at 31 degrees C, etc.
How do you get it to step down to 1.4Ghz? Mine, with a 1.7Ghz processor, runs either full speed or steps down to 600Mhz--nothing in between.
And are you sure about the temperatures when the processor steps down? I ask this, because, according to Micron's data sheets for DDR SDRAM, 70C is the temperature at which permanent memory damage will occur. Seems like the entire system should shut down before it reaches this point.
facula
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July 21st, 2003 05:00
adam4925
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July 21st, 2003 13:00
"I get roughly the same temp (right now it's 141 F). The memory cover is by far the hottest spot on the case. I don't know whether it's normal to run that hot or not. " facula
It is for Dell, but it shouldn't be. Dell's excuse is that it gets that hot because of the number of components placed into a small area and that the heat issues occur with nearly all notebooks. I find exactly the opposite. Every other notebook I work on (Toshiba, Acer, Compaq, IBM) never get as hot as the Dell notebooks (especially Latitudes.) I think it's just a flaw that has existed forever with Dell notebooks.
billb42
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July 21st, 2003 20:00
adam4925
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July 22nd, 2003 00:00
I've never had a Dell notebooks memory get fried. More than that, if the computer got too hot (like mine often did) it would simply just die and you'd have to sit the thing on a block of ice to get it to cool down far enough to get it to turn back on. (Oh, yes, Dell knew about the problem but couldn't do anything to fix it. They replaced near every part in the computer but it didn't do anything. The computer just got hot.)
ManojM
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July 22nd, 2003 07:00
Place a notebook cooler at the bottom of the D800 like I do.
The ram temp stays at about 40 to 45 degrees C.
It is much better and protects your investment.
adam4925
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July 22nd, 2003 16:00
The only thing is, I don't see why I should have to buy a notebook cooler. It seems to me that it shouldn't have to be necessary and I don't have to use one on any other notebooks besides those from Dell.
lsfy
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July 23rd, 2003 00:00
Yes.The D800 memory is very very hot after system running 1-2 hours.I can't bear it!!! I announce this to the Dell engineers,but not get their's feedback.
FatBelly
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July 23rd, 2003 05:00
Hey Adam, I'm with you. I'm sick of people telling me to spend yet more money to "protect my investment" (no offence, Manoj, you are far from the first and I realise we each have our own opinions). But seriously, the idea of paying over $2,000 for a machine and then having to buy a whole bunch of accessories just to make sure it doesn't destroy itself through its own flawed design seems somewhat farcical to me.
Adam, you posted that you were cancelling the D800 order and going with a Compaq instead - what happened to that idea?
ManojM
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July 23rd, 2003 05:00
Even if the rams were not getting hot, I would still be using the notebook cooler. Infact after I placed my order for the D800, I bought the notebook cooler already. So when I got the D800, the notebook cooler was already being used.
It really protects your investment regardless of the rams getting hot or not.
The surfaceof the D800 is now barely warm.
The notebook cooler costed about US $18.
Actually I am now looking for a bigger notebook cooler. The one I have now is 14" only. I need a bigger one.
Message Edited by ManojM on 07-23-2003 01:32 AM
adam4925
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July 23rd, 2003 12:00
Adam, you posted that you were cancelling the D800 order and going with a Compaq instead - what happened to that idea?
When I went to cancel the order it had already shipped. I decided just to get the machine and see how bad it was for myself.
3dluvr
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July 23rd, 2003 22:00
Got my D800 today, powered it up and it all looks nice. I've put 1gb (2x512) of Crucial ram into it and winblows is finally working the way it should (with 128MB) :-}
And most definitely I DO NOT like the excessive heat produced underneath the laptop, in the middle, right where the memory is. I do not like the idea of my ram, that I paid extra $300 on top of the cost of the computer getting this hot, or the prospect that some day it might fail due to warping or buckling under so much heat.
The keyboard itself gets warm on the top (around the nipple is) which just constantly reminds me of the heat issue...
So why would we have to buy a laptop cooler to cool a LAPtop. It kinda beats the purpose of a LAPtop if I can't even keep it on my lap. Maybe I can sue Dell for possible burns endured by the excessive heat generated from their hardware, or there's a clause somewhere in the EULA that says "Don't put the LAPtop on your lap"?
CECarl
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July 24th, 2003 02:00
3dluvr
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July 24th, 2003 03:00
ManojM
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July 24th, 2003 03:00
Actually we keep referring to the D800 as a laptop but it actually is a notebook.
Laptops days were when we were using Pentium II CPUs.
I don't put my D800 on my lap. Well I normally work on a desk in the office and when I go for my meetings I put the D800 on a desk as well. I don't really need to work with the D800 on my lap.
This is why I use a notebook cooler for my D800. At times with good room temperature and with the notebook cooler the ram temp stays around 40 degrees C. The CPU temp can be around 27 degrees C, hard disk around 26 degrees C, GPU at 31 degrees C, etc.
Message Edited by ManojM on 07-23-2003 11:47 PM
billb42
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July 26th, 2003 19:00
minkylee99,
How do you get it to step down to 1.4Ghz? Mine, with a 1.7Ghz processor, runs either full speed or steps down to 600Mhz--nothing in between.
And are you sure about the temperatures when the processor steps down? I ask this, because, according to Micron's data sheets for DDR SDRAM, 70C is the temperature at which permanent memory damage will occur. Seems like the entire system should shut down before it reaches this point.