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September 11th, 2008 02:00

Latitude E6500 "Select Your Processor" mismatch

Hi,

 

I was choosing my Dell latitude E6500 components and I was surprised by the first component descriptions.

When I want to select my processor I have these options:

 

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8400 (2.40GHz, 3M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB) included in price

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8600 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB) add $61  

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9500 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB) add $194  

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB) add $133
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9600 (2.80GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB) add $399

 

It seems quite neat, but I am confused between the Intel Core 2 Duo T9500 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB) and its price. I found this :

T9600   2.80 6 35 $530

T9400   2.53 6 35 $316

P9500   2.53 6 25 $349

P8600   2.40 3 25 $241

P8400   2.26 3 25 $209

 

Looking at the prices I am not sure if T9500 should have been P9500, first because the price of T9500 is not that high and the T9500 Bus Speed is 800MHz not 1066 MHz, also the CPU speed is not 2.53 but 2.6Ghz as written in the Dell site.

You can check it up here: 

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAQH

http://processorfinder.intel.com/Details.aspx?sSpec=SLB4E

 

I wanted a response from someone as soon as possible as I wanted to buy the system and I am not sure which one to choose.

 

Please clear me up.

 

LA

Message Edited by erdi3131 on 09-11-2008 12:20 AM

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September 12th, 2008 12:00

Primarily from what I can tell is that the differences are a classic paradigm of power (battery life) versus performance (gaming ability) in laptops.

If you want Performance; T9500

If you want a Power friendly; P9500

 

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September 12th, 2008 13:00

Thank you for your reply.

 

But, if you check this site:

http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=ca&cs=CABSDT1&l=en&oc=LE6500V_R_1E 

You will see that the specifications for T9500 are not relevant, because T9500 has not a 1066MHz Bus Speed but a 800MHz and the CPU speed is not as listed on the site, 2.53GHz, but 2.60GHz.

That is what disturbes me, because I am trying to buy this product online and I do not want to choose the T9500, which I think is mistaken with P9500 according the specifications listed alongside its name, but a P9500 latitude E6500.

 

I am waiting for a change in the Processor specifications if so, or an explanation.

 

Thank you in advance,

 

LA

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September 12th, 2008 16:00

The T9500 is using a 800mhz bus with a 13x (200mhz clock) multiplier for a 2.6Ghz processor. It also has a 35W (watt) archatecture using more power.

 

The P9500 is using a 1066 mhz bus with a 9.4x (269mhz approximate clock) multiplier for a 2.53Ghz processor. It also has a 25W (watt) archatecture using less power.

 

If you want advice on which one to get, get the P9500 if and when it is available. It has a lower power consumtpion and a faster clock giving you the best of both worlds.

 

Dell often has errors in their database, small but sometimes significant, errors. If they say its a T9500 but the bus speed on that is 800mhz I bet Dell has misprinted the information which is not uncommon. The motherboard must support a 1066mhz bus architecture and the processor would rate at 2.6Ghz if it were 800mhz bus.

Message Edited by TMcCaine on 09-12-2008 12:32 PM

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September 12th, 2008 16:00

There is also the possibility that the T9500 they are advertising is simply a faster version of the one you found running at 1066mhz bus rather than 800mhz. The Difference that I can see between the T and P series is the three small insignificant accessories listed at the bottom.

  • Intel® EM64T 1
  • Intel® Virtualization Technology
  • Execute Disable Bit 2
  • These three things are most likely the difference between the T & P series which makes the T9500 with the 1066mhz bus a better processor overall.

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September 12th, 2008 17:00

Hi,

 

First of all I am not pretty sure if changing the Bus speed and CPU speed will leave the processor's name unchanged. If Dell Inc. did what you think they have done(upgraded T9500 to a faster version) than would you please tell me the difference between T9400 and T9500(your upgraded version). it would be like this which I think is nonesense:

 

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9500 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)

 

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)

 

No difference at all. This is how it is published at Dell's E6500 product details.

http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=ca&cs=CABSDT1&l=en&oc=LE6500V_R_1E

T9500 is not 2.53 GHz it is 2.60Ghz, if you upgrade the CPU speed than you should name it differently (i.e. T9520), that is at least how I know it works.

If I am wrong than please tell me.

I welcome and appreciate your time to write.

 

LA

 

P.S.: The Latitude E6500 and E6400 are of the same new family and why then E6400 should have the privilege for a P9500(power save 25W processor) while E6500 does not have it. 

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September 12th, 2008 19:00

I have noticed Dell errors that are rather minor, but the hardware configurations are typically correct as it is a guaranteed prospect of consumer confidence. Product model numbers are second place to hardware specifications. I understand your assumption about the product break down, however, model numbers aren't always a tell all in the realm of processors & other computer parts as there are too many variables to account for to produce a simple model number for 1 motif. Also no one has ever explained to me how Intel divides their products into model numbers so anyone's guess is as good as mine right now.

The only thing I have found to rely on is the OEM & Box Codes that are independent to each units manufacturing process. This 5 place product number is the general class or family of processors which includes several types of processors. I could be wrong on that last point but that is my experience thus far.

 

Now, I am on Intel's web site and I am rather frustrated in the amount of information they don't give you. No product breakdowns no overview, just lots and lots of technical mumbo jumbo without pointing to any end user product.

However, I buy processors using two factors to consider; Processor speed & bus speed. Bus speed being the most important to me. Since Dell must guarantee that you get what they state you pay for I wouldn't put to much thought in product model numbers and buy what you feel is best for you.

 

But if your a technogeek like me then this might help;

http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2duo.htm

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September 12th, 2008 20:00

Thank you for your time.

I do not doubt the relations Dell has with its customers, it is that relation why I am wasting time to buy a laptop from this company and not just any other company out there.

I can not say to be a technogeek, but I like to know every detail, minor be it, of the products I buy. And that is where I confronted with this minor "problem", if it is one.

I was looking at both E6400 and E6500 and the processor list where pretty the same except T9500 that was in E6500 and in E6400 this P9500, to my surprise with the exact same price.

And i then started to search about these products an I came across this minor "problem". Just an hour ago I got a call from the customer service and I asked him the same questions I have raised on this forum. He could not tell me the difference between P9500 and T9500, because according to him they were identical which seems to be a little weird.

As you wrote; I look at the CPU speed and Bus Speed but sometimes I look at the power (Watt), which a lower value is better for power saving.

Intel produced the T9300 T9500 series with Bus Speed of 800MHz.

T9400 and T9600 were produeced recently with a Bus Speed of 1066MHz. Both of them have a Thermal Design Power of 35W.

Instead, the Pseries where produced for power saving reasons. P9500 has a Bus Speed of 1066 MHz, but its thermal design power is 25W.

What I was told on the telephone is that T9500 and P9500 has also the exact thermal design power (25W), which contradicts the main aim Intel produced Pseries for.

Anyway, still I am not really sure of choosing between E6500 or E6400.

If you would be of any help I would appreciate it.

 

Have a Nice Day.

 

LA

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September 12th, 2008 20:00

Hi,

 

I was surfing on the internet and I just figured out that the processor problem was only on the www.dell.ca site,

http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=ca&cs=CABSDT1&l=en&oc=LE6500V_R_1E

 

But, on www.dell.com it was as I was claiming to be, not a T9500 but a P9500.

 

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=blcwfgp&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=productdetails~laptop_latitude_e6500

 

At least now I am more relaxed. :)

And what I noticed is that there is a lot of savings on the american site of Dell, I wonder if it is possible to buy it from that site and get it shipped in Toronto where I am?!

 

LA

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September 13th, 2008 02:00

It was as I suspected but its hard to be clear on the whole issue with so many unknowns. I enjoyed the conversation as I was able to look into things I haven't in a while.

 

I would, according to the listed specs, prefer the P9500 as the listed clock speed is so much faster than the others allowing a faster running computer overall. The bus is most dependent on the motherboard and the processor will be able to take advantage of it running your applications much better. I have in front of me now an 800mhz bus core 2 duo running 2.3Ghz and a 1066mhz bus running at 2.5Ghz. I use them both for gaming and the memory is paired properly with each one and the 1066 saves up to 3+ minutes on average processing times and more on heavier ones.

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September 13th, 2008 04:00

Thank you for your replies, I apprecited them.

 

I agree with your choice of P9500 that is why I was so involved in finding the "truth" for Latitude E6500.

It has a good Cpu & Bus Speed and a pretty low Thermal design Power (25W), which I think is an important element for a laptop to save more on his battery.

Your graphics card should be at least a 128 dedicated to play games, eventhough I do not know if you are playing heavy graph involving games.

I think I will take the E6500 P9500 2Gb(1 Dimms) and the NVIDIA Quadro NVS 160M (of which I am not so satisfied).

I am not decided if I should take the 9-cell battery and the extended 12-cell battery for a day battery life.

 

Have a nice weekend

 

LA

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