I am the owner of the A03 revision which displays no banding using DVI.
However, I see the "shimmering mouse trails when I move my mouse over a white background. Note that my brightness level is curently set to 40. What is your monitor setting?
The firmware version of the A03 is V1B20 and the I am not able to set 4:3 mode at 1600x1200.
Also, a lot of individuals are anxious to see if the component inputs has been fixed.
Can you please test the component inputs? That would be really appreciated.
I cannot test this because I do not have any device that uses the component inputs,
whats this ? another good a03 ? how many does that make now ? about 4 i think that have come forward
R14K-600, sorry to be a pain but is there any chance you could take some photos of some gradients like some others have, as im sure 100's if not 1000's of people are hanging to see some more nice pictures here :)
It could make you an instant hero all over the planet.
thanks for helping us piece together this broken puzzle..
Try Passmark Monitor Test it's free. 25 test screens.
http://www.passmark.com/products/monitortest.htm
Please test for vertical and horizontal banding in Gamming and Multimedia modes as well as Desktop.
List your brand and model of video card.
The 2nd .png RadXGe listed is very good as well.
Thanks :)
Unfortunately, it won't run on the systems attached to this 2407WFP.
VGA port: SGI Octane workstation with V12 graphics (1920x1200x60). The OS is IRIX.
DVI port: PowerMac G4 with ATI Radeon9000 graphics (1920x1200x60) running OS X.
IRIX provides a suite of monitor/graphics tests I've used on the VGA port with seeing any banding. I've also downloaded and displayed the gradient files RadXGe referenced on both systems(VGA and DVI) without any trace of banding.
BTW - for those who asked, I don't have any componet video hardware to test with.
"I've also downloaded and displayed the gradient files RadXGe referenced on both systems(VGA and DVI) without any trace of banding."
Is that also true in Multimedia and Gaming modes as well as Desktop?
Desktop mode should be clear, but the other two modes are still being reported as a problem with heavy banding.
Thanks
You might find this interesting:
LCD vertical banding is a flaw that can occur in the manufacturing process of the LCD panels themselves, and some LCD panels will tend to manifest it more noticeably than others. The panels that cause the most visible problems are usually weeded out in the vendor's quality control process.
However, those that create just a hint of banding often pass through QC, since it is prohibitively expensive to discard all parts that exhibit flaws which may have no practical impact on picture quality.
So, we end up with a situation in which some LCD panels, even within a given production run on one model, will have no banding at all, some may have a hint of it that does not rise to the level of a significant issue, and some may have a more visible problem that really does impair the enjoyment of the viewing experience. In the latter case, sometimes the problem can be mitigated with internal adjustments made by the dealer or vendor service departments, and sometimes the LCD panels or the entire unit need to be replaced.
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-06-200606:38 AM
You wrote.
"I just tried both DVI and VGA in Multimedia and Gaming modes - no banding."
The banding may not appear in applications, high res pics, video, Etc. but it may show up in the .png test patterns only in Gaming and Multimedia modes.
If you have no banding in these two modes in gradient test patterns "black to white or black to a color, you will be the first here to declare that and others will want to see pics as proof.
I don't have a banding problem in real world apps. like you stated but, it does show up in test patterns on all 3 of my 2407's A02's.
Just got my A03 replacement today (refurb unit though...) After playing around with the settings in the service menu, I got rid of the pink/green tracers when I scroll. Also vertical banding is almost all gone!
My settings:
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=settingsfr7.jpg
I lowered the RGB values for "PC Normal Preset" 5 degrees at a time.
R 215 G 230 B 235 seems to work the best.
Also, since I have it hooked up to my MacBook, setting the gamma to 2.2 seems to help hide the vertical banding (I used the gradient background in FrontRow to test).
Thank you for posting a screenshot of your system menu. I don't know if you've noticed, but the system menu of A03 is slightly different to the one present in A02. One particular option (new in A03) has caught my eye: Soft Dither. This option does not exist in A02, and I can see it is On on your A03 system. I wonder if this is how the vertical banding was fixed in A03.
Would you be able to set it to Off temporarily and then (with it Off) check the vertical banding using a DVI connection?
Nocturnal01
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September 2nd, 2006 22:00
R14K-600
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September 2nd, 2006 23:00
radxge2
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September 3rd, 2006 00:00
Message Edited by RadXGe on 09-03-200608:39 AM
v1p3r
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September 3rd, 2006 09:00
1. Not being able to set 4:3 mode at 1600x1200.
2. The PIP input setting resetting to S-Video if the screen is turned off.
Everyones so concerned about the big bugs I haven't been able to find any information about the more minor ones :)
Thanks.
ArchAnge1
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September 3rd, 2006 17:00
R14K-600, sorry to be a pain but is there any chance you could take some photos of some gradients like some others have, as im sure 100's if not 1000's of people are hanging to see some more nice pictures here :)
It could make you an instant hero all over the planet.
thanks for helping us piece together this broken puzzle..
Whiteshadows
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September 4th, 2006 01:00
radxge2
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September 4th, 2006 02:00
Whiteshadows wrote:
Hello there, may I know you guys used which programme to perform tests for banding? Thank you! :)
I use the following to test for banding:
http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
http://www.spronkey.com/sdc-gradients.png
http://www.dps.uk.com/freeware_DTP.htm (this is a dead pixel tester software but can also display gradient)
Message Edited by RadXGe on 09-03-200611:31 PM
all the facts
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Try Passmark Monitor Test it's free. 25 test screens.
http://www.passmark.com/products/monitortest.htm
Please test for vertical and horizontal banding in Gamming and Multimedia modes as well as Desktop.
List your brand and model of video card.
The 2nd .png RadXGe listed is very good as well.
Thanks :)
R14K-600
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September 6th, 2006 05:00
Unfortunately, it won't run on the systems attached to this 2407WFP.
VGA port: SGI Octane workstation with V12 graphics (1920x1200x60). The OS is IRIX.
DVI port: PowerMac G4 with ATI Radeon9000 graphics (1920x1200x60) running OS X.
IRIX provides a suite of monitor/graphics tests I've used on the VGA port with seeing any banding. I've also downloaded and displayed the gradient files RadXGe referenced on both systems(VGA and DVI) without any trace of banding.
BTW - for those who asked, I don't have any componet video hardware to test with.
all the facts
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September 6th, 2006 10:00
"I've also downloaded and displayed the gradient files RadXGe referenced on both systems(VGA and DVI) without any trace of banding."
Is that also true in Multimedia and Gaming modes as well as Desktop?
Desktop mode should be clear, but the other two modes are still being reported as a problem with heavy banding.
Thanks
You might find this interesting:
LCD vertical banding is a flaw that can occur in the manufacturing process of the LCD panels themselves, and some LCD panels will tend to manifest it more noticeably than others. The panels that cause the most visible problems are usually weeded out in the vendor's quality control process.
However, those that create just a hint of banding often pass through QC, since it is prohibitively expensive to discard all parts that exhibit flaws which may have no practical impact on picture quality.
So, we end up with a situation in which some LCD panels, even within a given production run on one model, will have no banding at all, some may have a hint of it that does not rise to the level of a significant issue, and some may have a more visible problem that really does impair the enjoyment of the viewing experience. In the latter case, sometimes the problem can be mitigated with internal adjustments made by the dealer or vendor service departments, and sometimes the LCD panels or the entire unit need to be replaced.
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-06-200606:38 AM
R14K-600
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September 6th, 2006 11:00
I just tried both DVI and VGA in Mulitimedia and Gaming modes - no banding.
Message Edited by R14K-600 on 09-06-200607:35 AM
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September 6th, 2006 12:00
"I just tried both DVI and VGA in Multimedia and Gaming modes - no banding."
The banding may not appear in applications, high res pics, video, Etc. but it may show up in the .png test patterns only in Gaming and Multimedia modes.
If you have no banding in these two modes in gradient test patterns "black to white or black to a color, you will be the first here to declare that and others will want to see pics as proof.
I don't have a banding problem in real world apps. like you stated but, it does show up in test patterns on all 3 of my 2407's A02's.
Thanks
hanschien
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September 12th, 2006 02:00
My settings:
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=settingsfr7.jpg
I lowered the RGB values for "PC Normal Preset" 5 degrees at a time.
R 215 G 230 B 235 seems to work the best.
Also, since I have it hooked up to my MacBook, setting the gamma to 2.2 seems to help hide the vertical banding (I used the gradient background in FrontRow to test).
_Radu_
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September 15th, 2006 03:00
_doug_
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September 15th, 2006 05:00
That puts a new spin on the whole "The only changes made to the 2407WFP A03 were language fixes in the OSD (On Screen Display)." statement.