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December 3rd, 2019 10:00

U2719DC, U2719D, daisy chain, resolution on second 2048x1080

Hi,

I have seen several threads about this, but I will try to ask again to verify since my setup is different.

I have two monitors. 1 is U2719DC, the 2nd is U2719D

XPS 13-9360 is connected to the U2719DC via USB Type-C to C cable
U2719DC DP out is connected to U2719D DP in

Now my problem is that 2nd monitor U2719D is flickering like a "Hz" issue and the resolution is reduced to 2048x1080 (cannot choose higher). I was expecting 2560x1440 like 1st monitor.

What have I done wrong? The MST is set to "ON" on 1st monitor, and "OFF" on second monitor.
I read that I may need a docking station and some other places I read that a USB-C to DP cable is sufficient?

What is the best and correct solution for my setup?

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December 3rd, 2019 12:00

Do you have the power adapter attached to the XPS 13 9360?

 

Your setup is correct =

 

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December 3rd, 2019 13:00

I left the office, so will send the service tag numbers tomorrow (+1 GMT here). They were not purchased directly from Dell. Will fill out the form.

Yes I also have the power adapter attached to my XPS 13-9360. No difference if plugged or not. Yes my setup is according to the illustration. It doesn't "flicker" when i connect it directly to from a PC with DP to DP on screen. I don't have a DP out port in my laptop. That's why I tried with external source which is working fine. By the way, flickering is maybe not the right word, it is more likely a Hz issue due to wrong resolution. If the resolution goes to 2560x1440 60Hz, I am sure it will look sharp and good. So what is the issue then? I assume the mixing of U2719D and U2719DC is not a problem. Do I need another cable? Firmware upgrade on U2719DC screen?

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December 4th, 2019 06:00

I do not see a firmware update on U2719D driver page.

 

I do see firmware update M3T106 on the U2719DC driver page. But, you should FIRST open the U2719DC OSD Menu. Go to Others and verify that you don't already have the 7/19/19 M3T106 firmware installed. If you do have an older firmware installed, before installing M3T106, read its installation instructions and add the following;
* Connect the power adapter to the XPS 13-9360
* Disconnect the U2719D from the U2719DC

 

The fault could also be that the XPS 13-9360 TB3/USB Type-C out port is not sending enough bandwidth through that single USB Type-C to C cable to drive both monitors at 2560x1440 60Hz or that its onboard Intel GPU cannot drive them. Which is why the slaved U2719D is dropping down to 2048x1080 60Hz.

 

You should verify that the XPS 13-9360 is running the latest BIOS, Chipset, Thunderbolt driver, and Thunderbolt firmware.

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December 5th, 2019 05:00

Awaiting a response to my previous public troubleshooting reply.

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December 5th, 2019 06:00

I will check for this now and get back to you

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December 5th, 2019 08:00

So, i upgraded the firmware on u2719DC to M3T106 (previous M3T103)

I also updated the firmware of BIOS, TB3 etc to latest version on my XPS. I updated every single possible component.

 

Nothing is helping. Same issue. 

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December 5th, 2019 09:00

Based on your testing, either a TB3/USB Type-C dock or this =

 

XPS 13-9360 TB3/USB Type-C out --> retail TB3/USB Type-C to DP cable --> U2719DC DP in port (MST On)

U2719DC DP out port --> U2719DC DP to DP cable --> U2719D DP in port (MST Off)

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October 17th, 2020 16:00

Hello, 

I have exactly the same set up and same issue. Have had my DC monitor for a while and just purchased the D monitor. The laptop (XPS 13 9360) and both monitors were purchased directly from Dell. Updated BIOS on XPS and firmware on DC, no difference. Can you please help?

If daisy connection won't work, what other solutions are available? Any splitters? 

Thank you,

Mikhail

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October 17th, 2020 17:00

@speedioDK  and @speedioDK , you are both using systems that only support DisplayPort 1.2/HBR2, not DisplayPort 1.4/HBR3.  When using a DP 1.2 system, there isn't enough bandwidth to run dual QHD over USB-C when also running USB 3.x traffic.  The only way to get enough video bandwidth for that over USB-C is to limit USB data speeds to 2.0.  The U2719DC has an option to configure this.  It's called USB-C Prioritization.  If you set that to "High Resolution" rather than "High Data Speed", the display will set up the USB-C link so all four high speed lanes are allocated to video, with only USB 2.0 data speeds, rather than allocating two high speed lanes to USB 3.x, leaving only two for video, thus cutting video bandwidth in half.  If being limited to USB 2.0 speeds isn't acceptable to you, then you'll need to use a USB-C to DisplayPort cable to carry video (which will cause all four lanes to be allocated to video since you won't have USB data running through that cable at all) and then separately use a USB-C to USB-A cable to carry USB 3.x data.  The only way to run enough video bandwidth for dual QHD plus USB 3.x is either with a system that supports DisplayPort 1.4/HBR3, which your system doesn't, or use Thunderbolt 3, which the display doesn't support.  I wrote an explainer post about the various operating modes of USB-C and their effect on possible display setups here.

If you don't see the USB-C Prioritization option on your U2719DC (it should be directly under the MST option in the on-screen menu), then you have an older revision of the U2719DC that doesn't support it.  In that case, @DELL-Chris M  may be able to help you set up an "unlike exchange" for a newer rev, based on an earlier thread where this came up.

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October 20th, 2020 21:00

Thank you for your advice, @jphughan (I think you were also replying to me). Wasn't clear on why not enough bandwidth until your explanation of 2 lanes being reserved for USB3.x. Will try the setup with switching to USB 2.0.

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October 21st, 2020 07:00

@bottezini  Happy to help!

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October 22nd, 2020 21:00

Hi @jphughan, tried setting up USB2.0, but didn't find that option on the DC. Then decided to try 1920x1080 on both monitors, however, DC only allowed to change Desktop Resolution and Active Signal Resolution remained at QHD with no option to update. I think that is what causes unclear picture with some flickering on D. Well, that seems to be a different story - will research what causes it.

Best regards!

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October 22nd, 2020 23:00

@bottezini  Try changing your resolution in Intel HD Graphics Control Panel (or Command Center, depending on driver version).  That might force the active signal resolution to change.

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October 24th, 2020 19:00

@jphughan - thank you for your continuous support! Was able to change the resolution as you advised, but the issue on D persist. Tried another cable for daisychaining - no difference. When connecting the laptop directly to D, it works fine. Ordered a minidp to dp cable to try with the work laptop in case usb-c cable with XPS 9360 causes issues. Else going to try a usb-c to two hdmi adapter (of course, I'd prefer QHD, but to test that both monitors show consistent picture this way). Looks like the issue is quite common.     

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October 29th, 2020 19:00

@bottezini  Happy to help, and glad you're all set!  In terms of FHD, if you set 1080p resolution in Windows Display Settings, it's possible that Windows only changed the "desktop resolution" while keeping the "active signal resolution" set to the display's native resolution.  In that case, Windows will be rendering at 1080p but then using GPU upscaling to expand that rendered content to the display's native resolution, so the signal on the wire will still be QHD.  There are some advantages to doing this (no momentary black screen when you change resolutions, ability to run sub-native resolutions on the small handful of displays out there that don't have built-in scaler chips), but one disadvantage is that running a lower resolution doesn't free up any bandwidth on the wire -- which is what you needed.  It's possible that changing the resolution using the Intel Graphics application would have forced the active signal resolution to change, but I haven't tried that.  If you want to see this though, go to Windows Display Settings and click "Advanced display settings".

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