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November 7th, 2003 15:00
Problems networking new DellXP with old Dell98
Hi! Need a little help here. I recently set up my XPhome and Win98 computers to share a cable internet connection. I connected the cable modem to a D-Link wired router which feeds both computers(Cat 5 cables). No problem with that--both computers have great internet connections. Since then I've tried to set up a network using these two computers (the XP computer has a printer) so we can share files and use the printer on both computers. I ran the XP network wizard on both computers using the option for "connects through another computer or a gateway". I checked that the firewall was not installed, both computers have tcp/ip as the only protocol, netbios is enabled, dns obtained automatically from the router, client for microsoft networks and primary logon is Client for MS Networks. The 98 computer also has MS Network Driver and Network Driver Agent. I set both drives on the Win98 computer to be shared, as well as the C drive on the WinXP computer and the printer(is on XP computer). The driver for the printer is on both computers. I assigned names to each computer and a workgroup name. When I turn on both computers, the XP computer can see and access both drives on the Win98 computer, and print with no problem. The Win98 computer can't see the XP computer or use the printer. When I click Network Neighborhood all I get is an Entire Neighborhood icon. When I doubleclick that I get a popup saying that "unable to browse network--network is not accessible". I tried leaving it on for a long while but it still doesn't detect the network. Both computers can successfully ping each other by name and number. I have McAfee Firewall but it's set not to run on startup on both computers. I rechecked my settings using the suggestions on web sites and previous posts but I can't figure out what I'm missing.
Also, 1.neither computer was ever set to require a login--it's our home system so we don't use logins or passwords. 2. Should I see a printer icon on the XP when I go into My Neighborhood Places because I don't. I do see its C drive and both drives on the 98 computer. Appreciate any help!
Ken
Also, 1.neither computer was ever set to require a login--it's our home system so we don't use logins or passwords. 2. Should I see a printer icon on the XP when I go into My Neighborhood Places because I don't. I do see its C drive and both drives on the 98 computer. Appreciate any help!
Ken
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_Paladin
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November 7th, 2003 15:00
kjharris,
On the Win98 PC, open network Neighborhood and select Properties. In the Network Properties window, in the Primary Network Logon section select Windows Logon in the drop down. OK out and restart the PC. During the restart you will receive a network logon dialog. Do not enter anything, just click OK. Now see if you have connectivity to the WinXP system. Even though you do not have a password set on the Win98 system you still have to logon onto the network and the way the system is set up now you are not, so you can't browse to the other PC.
The printer will not appear in My Network Places, but if you perfomr an Add Printer operation through Control Panel you should be able to browse to the printer.
Post back.
kjharris
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November 8th, 2003 13:00
I went into network neighborhood properties and changed the logon to windows logon and restarted the computer. Unfortunately I did not get a network login dialog box (or any other login box). It just went right into windows as before. Also, I notice that in the system tray there is an icon for Internet Gateway. Is that supposed to be there and does it have anything to do with my problem. So, still can't see the XP computer from the 98 and still get the network not accessible when I double click network neighborhood. What's next?
Ken
_Paladin
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November 8th, 2003 14:00
kjharris,
First check the items in the following list:
Primary reasons why Windows XP and Windows 98/ME networks have trouble sharing resources:
1. Make sure all computers are in the same workgroup and have unique names on the network
2. Make sure all firewalls are disabled while setting up the network. In particular make sure that WinXP's built-in firewall is disabled on the local area connection.
3. Make sure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all computers.
4. Make sure File and Printer Sharing is bound to only one protocol, preferably TCP/IP.
5. Make sure drives and/or folders have been designated as shared.
6. If the Windows 98/ME computers have Client for Microsoft Networks as the primary network logon, make sure that the proper username and password are entered when these machines boot. If Windows logon is the primary network logon, make sure that either a null password is used or that the correct password is used when booting these computers. Hitting the cancel button at the password prompt may prevent network connectivity.
(Credit goes to Forum Regular volcano11 for developing this check list.)
The symptom you mention describes a classic firewall block. Most software firewalls, even if they are disabled, will still block LAN traffic. If the problem is not solved by reviewing the checklist above, you have two options: Completely uninstall the McAfee firewall from both systems, or, enable the McAfee firewall on both systems and then configure it to allow LAN traffic. The McAfee firewall uses a concept called "Trusted IPs". You can configure it to allow traffic from designated IP addresses or an IP address range. I suggest you configure it for the range of IP addresses being assigned by the D-Link router, which will be something like 192.168.x.0 through 192.168.x.255. That will cover all addresses in the subnet. You will have to determine what the X should be, based on the LAN address of the router.
kjharris
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November 8th, 2003 19:00
I played around some more with logins. The primary login is still Windows Login with no login box or password, but when the computer is started, if I go to start/logoff and choose yes, the computer sort of resets itself. After that when I go into network neighborhood I can see both computers and their drives. So I'm on well on the way. What it still won't do is print to the shared printer (which is on the WinXP computer). The printer does shows up when I click the XP computer's icon in network neighborhood, but when we try to print, it says cannot communicate with printer (or similar message). Any ideas on the printing problem? And by the way, thanks for your help so far.
Ken
_Paladin
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November 8th, 2003 19:00
kjharris,
Have you performed an Add Printer on the Win98 PC for the WinXP printer? On the Win98 system click Start - Settings - Printers and Add New Printer. Browse to the printer on the WinXP system. Make sure you have the driver CD available when you do this and you will be adding a Win98 printer driver.
When the Primary Network Logon is set to Windows logon you will not see a network logon dialog, except for the first time after selecting Windows Logon (and why you did not see it I cannot say.) Are you saying yo have to perform a Windows logoff in order to see the network? If that is the case, I still do not think you are properly logged on to the network. If all that is correct, to solve it, search for a file with a .pwl extension corresponding to your Win98 userid. It should be in the main c:\windows folder. rename it by changing the extension to .xxx. Then restart the PC. During the restart you will receive a dialog to enter a Windows password - just click OK. Then a second network logon dialog box will appear - again just click OK. Once the system is fully booted, see if you can browse the network.
Message Edited by _Paladin on 11-08-2003 03:45 PM
kjharris
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November 9th, 2003 14:00
Yes, we never get any login box (windows or network). I found the .pwl files and changed the
pwl to xxx and restarted but still no login boxes. But, you know what? Clicking the logoff option in Start is easy enough--one click and you're on the network. If it ain't broke, don't fix it? I admit it puzzles me that I can't get a login box back (even though we don't want one) but we're satisfied with the way it works. Now about the printer. I had installed the drivers for the XPcomputer's printer on the 98 computer but was unable to print from the 98 computer. So I tried again, this time by dragging a document from the 98's desktop to the printer icon for the XP computer that you see in network neighborhood. This time I got a dialog box saying that the print operation couldn't continue until the printer was installed on the 98 computer. I had installed it but I just continued through the dialog, pointing it to the driver that I had already used. The dialog continued, telling me that there was driver already installed and asking if I wanted to continue using it(recommended). I said yes and the installation finished, and the document printed out on the remote printer. Yes!
Thank you for your help once again.
Ken