that kind of makes sense... but not really.
As it turns out, that belkin wireless router is currently plugged into my Linksys router. I presume that DHCP services would orginate with the Linksys when the belkin is configured as an access point.
The mysterey is that my notebook won't connect to the Belkin when it's configured as an access point, so I still don't understand what it's for.
It's not really an "access point" if it doesn't provide access to something, and near as I can tell... it doesn't.
Could you describe the "route" traffic should take from notebook to router with an access point (one that works) somewhere between the two?
The idea of an access point is that it interconnects wired and wireless segments of the same IP network, acting as a bridge. There would need to be another router/DHCP server on the network (LAN) to handle IP address assignment and delivery of traffic to/from the LAN and the Internet. If, for example, you needed to increase the range of a wireless network, you could add one or more access points located in problem areas, connecting back into the wired network with Ethernet cabling.
"Any device connecting wirelessly to the network will connect through the access point and obtain its IP address from the ethernet router."
that's the part that's not working. The belkin is plugged into the Linksys... that is the "internet" port on the belkin is pluged into one of the four wired ports on the Linksys, and the Linksys is giving the belkin an IP of 192.168.1.102.
I can see the belkin on the DHCP client list inside the Linksys. It seems to be happy there...
but when I connect to the belkin, it connects as "limitted access", meaning no internet...
My notebook is making a DHCP request that never gets past the Belkin...
Is this typical of all access points? Perhaps I've left something unconfigured in the chain?
I'm kind of enjoying that it doesn't work... it's an opportunity to learn. there's still something I need to learn about configuring this setup or it would work...
Is this typical of all access points? No, its not. If it were typical, then access points would not work. Perhaps I've left something unconfigured in the chain? Yes, perhaps you have, otherwise it should work. It always worked for me. Do you have any of the security features enabled on the Belkin Router (hiding SSID, MAC Address filterning enbabled, WEP or WPA encrpyrption?)
In order to function as an access point, you need to connect the WAN or Internet port on the access point (Belkin Router) to one of the LAN ports on the ethernet router and put the Belkin router into access point mode, making sure that the Belkin does not act as a DHCP server. You also need to assign the Belking router an IP address within the range normally assigned by the ethernet router. For example, connecting to a Linksys Router, the IP address assigned to the Belkin router (in access point mode) would have to be in the range 192.168.1.xxx, where xxx is a number higher than what would normally be assinged to other computers on the network. Any device connecting wirelessly to the network will connect through the access point and obtain its IP address from the ethernet router. I definitely does work, as I have used a Belkin router as an access point, connecting to a Linksys etherent router, which was connected to a cable modem.
I'm really not trying to be difficult... No, the Belkin router is out of the box... it's really still a mystere... when the router is configured as a full wireless router, you can connect my notebook to the belkin wired or wireless and you get internet....
The Minute you configure the Belkin as "access point" you lose the internet, and both wired and wireless become "limitted or no connectivity".
I suspect that there is something the Linksys doesn't like about the Belkin when it's configured as an access point. I'm not sure what...
The Belkin retains the IP it got from the Linksys (192.168.1.102), but it behaves as if it has no access to the default gateway (192.168.1.1).
I will turn OFF all the Linksys security features and see if that makes any difference....
correct. But... even when I connect my notebook to the belkin WITH A CABLE... the configuration utility won't come up ... not when it's in "access point" mode... (or non access point I should say)
I have to hold the reset button on the Belkin and reset it to factory defaults.
The goal here is to get the Belkin to work as an access point so that it doesn't issue IP addresses.
I plan to use it at the school where I work, and the district network doesn't work well when a rogue router is giving out IP addresses....
You say "It already has an IP from the Linksys (192.168.1.102)" What already has this IP address, the router or the computer through which you are connecting to the Belkin."... should I enter that same IP by hand when it asks?" Yes, I've always entered an IP address, something outside of the range that the Linksys normally assigns - like 192.168.1.199.
It's also interesting to note that once I toggle the Belkin into "Access Point" mode, there's no way to get it back to router mode...since nothing will connect to it.
The only way to get it so that I can get to its configuration display is to hold down its reset button and force it back to its factory defaults... hmmm... configuring an access point is turning out to be a lot more difficult than I thougth!
After you give the router a new IP address, you will no longer be able to access it at its default IP address, unless you reset it to its factory settings. You will have to access it using the new IP address.
In order to change the configuration of any wireless device, you need to be able to connect to it with a wired ethernet connection, since as soon as you change any of the wireless settings, you will be disconnected from the wireless network.
You say "It already has an IP from the Linksys (192.168.1.102)" What already has this IP address, the router or the computer through which you are connecting to the Belkin."... should I enter that same IP by hand when it asks?" Yes, I've always entered an IP address, something outside of the range that the Linksys normally assigns - like 192.168.1.199.
Steve
well... the belkin has an ip address...it is 192.168.1.102...that IP came from the Linksys router... when the Belkin powered up, it said "hey, I need an IP", and the Linksys responded "sure, please use 192.168.1.102".
when the belkin goes from router to access mode, it wants me to enter a new IP by hand... should that be the IP the Linksys gave it? (192.168.1.102) or something entirely outside the linksys range?
How does the Belkin communicate it's new IP to the Linksys...?
accessing it through ANY IP address becomes impossible once it goes into "access point" mode.
I'm confused,though, about what IP I should enter, by hand, when the Belkin asks for it. Right at the moment you check the radio button for "access point only", it then asks me to type in an IP address.... what address goes there... yes, I did read your earlier post, but I don't understand why you would use the IP you mentioned in this case.
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As it turns out, that belkin wireless router is currently plugged into my Linksys router. I presume that DHCP services would orginate with the Linksys when the belkin is configured as an access point.
The mysterey is that my notebook won't connect to the Belkin when it's configured as an access point, so I still don't understand what it's for.
It's not really an "access point" if it doesn't provide access to something, and near as I can tell... it doesn't.
Could you describe the "route" traffic should take from notebook to router with an access point (one that works) somewhere between the two?
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April 12th, 2005 00:00
The idea of an access point is that it interconnects wired and wireless segments of the same IP network, acting as a bridge. There would need to be another router/DHCP server on the network (LAN) to handle IP address assignment and delivery of traffic to/from the LAN and the Internet. If, for example, you needed to increase the range of a wireless network, you could add one or more access points located in problem areas, connecting back into the wired network with Ethernet cabling.
Jim
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"Any device connecting wirelessly to the network will connect through the access point and obtain its IP address from the ethernet router."
that's the part that's not working. The belkin is plugged into the Linksys... that is the "internet" port on the belkin is pluged into one of the four wired ports on the Linksys, and the Linksys is giving the belkin an IP of 192.168.1.102.
I can see the belkin on the DHCP client list inside the Linksys. It seems to be happy there...
but when I connect to the belkin, it connects as "limitted access", meaning no internet...
My notebook is making a DHCP request that never gets past the Belkin...
Is this typical of all access points? Perhaps I've left something unconfigured in the chain?
I'm kind of enjoying that it doesn't work... it's an opportunity to learn. there's still something I need to learn about configuring this setup or it would work...
Message Edited by dgbowen on 04-11-2005 09:32 PM
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Is this typical of all access points? No, its not. If it were typical, then access points would not work. Perhaps I've left something unconfigured in the chain? Yes, perhaps you have, otherwise it should work. It always worked for me. Do you have any of the security features enabled on the Belkin Router (hiding SSID, MAC Address filterning enbabled, WEP or WPA encrpyrption?)
Steve
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In order to function as an access point, you need to connect the WAN or Internet port on the access point (Belkin Router) to one of the LAN ports on the ethernet router and put the Belkin router into access point mode, making sure that the Belkin does not act as a DHCP server. You also need to assign the Belking router an IP address within the range normally assigned by the ethernet router. For example, connecting to a Linksys Router, the IP address assigned to the Belkin router (in access point mode) would have to be in the range 192.168.1.xxx, where xxx is a number higher than what would normally be assinged to other computers on the network. Any device connecting wirelessly to the network will connect through the access point and obtain its IP address from the ethernet router. I definitely does work, as I have used a Belkin router as an access point, connecting to a Linksys etherent router, which was connected to a cable modem.
Steve
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Dear Steve,
I'm really not trying to be difficult... No, the Belkin router is out of the box... it's really still a mystere... when the router is configured as a full wireless router, you can connect my notebook to the belkin wired or wireless and you get internet....
The Minute you configure the Belkin as "access point" you lose the internet, and both wired and wireless become "limitted or no connectivity".
I suspect that there is something the Linksys doesn't like about the Belkin when it's configured as an access point. I'm not sure what...
The Belkin retains the IP it got from the Linksys (192.168.1.102), but it behaves as if it has no access to the default gateway (192.168.1.1).
I will turn OFF all the Linksys security features and see if that makes any difference....
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Steve,
correct. But... even when I connect my notebook to the belkin WITH A CABLE... the configuration utility won't come up ... not when it's in "access point" mode... (or non access point I should say)
I have to hold the reset button on the Belkin and reset it to factory defaults.
The goal here is to get the Belkin to work as an access point so that it doesn't issue IP addresses.
I plan to use it at the school where I work, and the district network doesn't work well when a rogue router is giving out IP addresses....
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You say "It already has an IP from the Linksys (192.168.1.102)" What already has this IP address, the router or the computer through which you are connecting to the Belkin."... should I enter that same IP by hand when it asks?" Yes, I've always entered an IP address, something outside of the range that the Linksys normally assigns - like 192.168.1.199.
Steve
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It's also interesting to note that once I toggle the Belkin into "Access Point" mode, there's no way to get it back to router mode...since nothing will connect to it.
The only way to get it so that I can get to its configuration display is to hold down its reset button and force it back to its factory defaults... hmmm... configuring an access point is turning out to be a lot more difficult than I thougth!
Any help would be much appreciated.
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April 12th, 2005 02:00
After you give the router a new IP address, you will no longer be able to access it at its default IP address, unless you reset it to its factory settings. You will have to access it using the new IP address.
Steve
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In order to change the configuration of any wireless device, you need to be able to connect to it with a wired ethernet connection, since as soon as you change any of the wireless settings, you will be disconnected from the wireless network.
Steve
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well... the belkin has an ip address...it is 192.168.1.102...that IP came from the Linksys router... when the Belkin powered up, it said "hey, I need an IP", and the Linksys responded "sure, please use 192.168.1.102".
when the belkin goes from router to access mode, it wants me to enter a new IP by hand... should that be the IP the Linksys gave it? (192.168.1.102) or something entirely outside the linksys range?
How does the Belkin communicate it's new IP to the Linksys...?
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I'm confused,though, about what IP I should enter, by hand, when the Belkin asks for it. Right at the moment you check the radio button for "access point only", it then asks me to type in an IP address.... what address goes there... yes, I did read your earlier post, but I don't understand why you would use the IP you mentioned in this case.
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Please read the user's manual that came with your Belkin Router. I'm not sure which model you have, but you can start with page 64 of the one at:
http://web.belkin.com/support/download/files/P74559-A_F5D7230-4_man_6-04.pdf
Steve