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radu

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March 17th, 2021 05:00

T3500 upgrade from E5630 to X5680

Dear all,

I'm new to this site...

I have a remote client who wants to upgrade his Dell Precision T3500 from an Intel Xeon E5630 to an Intel Xeon X5680.

I noticed there are 3 possible types of main boards (MB) for this PC: (1) K095G, (2) XPDFK v2, (3) 9KPNV v3.

  1. Is there any software that can be installed and provide the MB type?
  2. Can you give me links to the latest versions of the manuals so that I can see if the MB supports this CPU or not?
  3. Can you give me a list of supported heat sinks that can cool this 130W TDP processor (X5680)? Is the default heat sink able to cope with the new CPU?

 

For the sake of simplicity and not to cumber this site too much and also make this discussion useful for the future searches, please briefly answer only the questions you know the answer.

TA

R

radu

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March 18th, 2021 01:00

Hi!

Before closing this thread, I just to thank speedstep,  @DELL-Chris M , mazzinia for their patience, time and support!

  1. I was interested in one piece of software and I got it (CPU-Z, Speccy) - solved
  2. I wanted links to the manuals of the 3 types of motherboards (MB), but I didn't get them ... it seems from mazzinia's link, that since 2014, Dell doesn't have a clue what the differences are between these MBs - I wanted this information, because it will make things more clear next time when we'll want to upgrade a PC (download the manual, check if the upgrade is possible and go for it or buy another MB) and we don't have to read the entire mess on this forum (I really don't get it... why on Earth do you need to have a copy of same answers multiple times in a discussion??? It looks fancy ... but this doesn't solve our problems)
  3. in the end I realized, by reading other posts, that (1) there are at least 2 heat sinks for this T3500, and (2) the default one (i.e. 0T021F) should not be used for high TDP CPUs (it is recommended to use U016F instead). So I think the initial question is reasonably solved.

Sorry speedstep, but I didn't want to add fans to our customer's case. I'm glad that it worked for you.

R

speedstep

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March 17th, 2021 06:00

there is no software that provides motherboard type remotely.

CPU-Z would show this info locally

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

End users do not have PARTS information.

@DELL-Chris M   might have more information.

I added 2 case fans on my T3500.

https://www.dell.com/community/Desktops-General-Read-Only/Dell-Precision-T3500-adding-rear-case-fans-possible/td-p/5109788

 

There are no headers but tapping SATA power to Molex works.  If you want to control them you could add a fan controller into the 3.5 inch flex bay slot.  This has been done with2 Arctic F8 80mm case fans

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAD046B9178

 



https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W05287316



https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812198026




Evercool EC-DF003 4 Pin Molex PSU to 2x 12V 3pin & 2x 5V 3pin Fan Cable Adapter
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812311003



http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19682497/20906234#20906234

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

radu

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March 17th, 2021 06:00

hi speedstep!

thank you for answering Q1

for Q3: all these shopping links you'd mentioned will help me place a 130tdp cpu on any t3500 mainboard? By the way, some of your links no longer work

R

radu

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March 17th, 2021 12:00

  1. I can confirm that both visual inspection, Piriform's Speccy and CPU-z can identify your main-board (MB), or at least they can identify a 09kpnv MB.
  2. (thanks @DELL-Chris M) (the link points to the service manual (2015) and to the setup and features info tech sheet (2011), but there is no difference between the 3 MBs presented in the initial question. Also this sheet speaks only about 35xx, 55xx CPUs and there is no mention about 56xx CPUs)  https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/precision-t3500/docs
  3. my client has a 0T021F heat sink ... is this going to cope with 130 tdp X5680?

mazzinia_

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March 17th, 2021 13:00

https://www.dell.com/community/Desktops-General-Read-Only/T3500-CPU-upgrade-options/td-p/4563135

This thread has the full list of all the supported cpus, according do a dell employee ( during 2014 ). The x5680 is in that list

radu

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March 17th, 2021 13:00

3. it seems for certain upgrades a better heat sink (than 0T021F) is required, namely U016F (see https://www.dell.com/community/Desktops-General-Read-Only/T3500-CPU-upgrade-options/td-p/4563135/page/2)

this seems to make the upgrade unfeasible, for the moment, i.e. we now have to search for a new heat sink...

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March 17th, 2021 15:00

speedstep

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March 18th, 2021 04:00

5 years is typical SDLC (System Design Life Cycle) and the 3500 is from 2009 so its over 11 years old now. Non UEFI class 1 bios machines are still working even after 15 years but they are not supported.  Not supported doesn't mean not working.

INTEL, Dell, and the maker of the board would not have that information that many years later.

Class 1 UEFI Bios does not have GPT or Secure boot and never will.

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ts MBR legacy only.  The 790 has class 1 Bios.

Class 2.3.1 UEFI bios is required for GPT UEFI Secure boot.

New systems are class 3 bios with no legacy booting of anything.

Intel will be only supporting UEFI Class 3, which means no legacy support of CSM.  It also means windows 10 only and 64 bit only from now on.

The 790 allows legacy as well as 32 bit windows xp and therefore will never have secure boot due to lacking ACPI 2.0 and UEFI 2.3.1

Firmware that meets the UEFI 2.3.1 specifications

Secure boot certificates cannot be added as a bios update by end users.

Only OEM's can do that.

is required for Windows 10 security features like Secure Boot, Windows Defender Credential Guard, and Windows Defender Exploit Guard.

Platform firmware must ensure that operating system physical memory is consistent across S4 sleep state transitions, in both size and location. Operating system physical memory is defined according to the ACPI 3.0 specification.

Class 2.3.1 UEFI BIOS must have windows key built in and must be digitally signed with a Windows, WHQL, ELAM, or Store certificate (WHQL 64 bit).

http://www.uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/2.3.1_D.pdf

 

 



 


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