discovery

You can create the devices in SAM in number of ways, using command line dmctl tool, asl or perl scripts, etc.
But before going there, you don't need access to the device to discover it. If you can ping to the device, you can discover it as ICMPONLY and it would be added to the Smarts repository and monitored via ICMP as well.
If you add devices manually, they won't be monitored so there is not much value in going that route.

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thanks a lot i thought you can use asl to create an object or instance of a class with an object handle and pass it unto SAM.Please enlighten me

to create an object you can use dmctl create command
dmctl -s SAM create Router::myRouter
or the equivalent command in asl. You can see the available commands in asl ref doc.

The main problem is that we have a CPE and a PE we want to monitor between the CE and and PE we have another network which we don,t have access to .So we need to tell smarts that the CE end is connected to the PE via the other network if we discover the PE end it would not show us the the other end as the CE end .PLEASE HELP

what is your objective exactly, to be able to show that there is a network in between?

You can add an object to represent the network in between in SAM server. This would give you the representation in maps etc. but the analysis is done in AM, hence won't know about this.

Also, I'd suggest that you post your question in yahoo/google user groups for Smarts. They have by far more users who can help out than these forums.

i ant an object to be added to the repository and also to be able to be discovered with AM .
Also for the network object to be on the topology browser where the other end can be seen as a logical connection even though it has an unaccessible network in between.
Thanks

Thanks and can these new router that has been created be discovered without putting the ip address in the command line

Devices cannot be discovered without an ip address by Smarts. You can provide all the information for the device via a script.
This is an advanced task. Unless you know the Smarts internals throughly, it is not really a viable option.

thanks when an object is added to SAM in its repository with the dmctl command is the device being monitored and managed and how does it correlate with the AM
how also do we know the Ip address is this something that is added
Plaese also tell me the user group in smarts website
Thanks

I understand, but how can you discover a device that you don't even have IP access or address for? Where will the information come from?
Smarts discovery works through IP and SNMP or ICMP (ping). Without IP access, it cannot discover the device. As I mentioned, getting the device data from another source and adding to AM is an advanced task that requires in depth knowledge of Smarts.

groups:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smartsincharge
http://groups.google.com/group/EMC-SMARTS

after creating an object can we form relationship between this object and an existing object using dmctl or asl .Object being a network device
Thanks your info has been very useful