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MisoMK

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December 25th, 2007 11:00

Vista 64 bit

I bought Dell Inspiron 1720 a month ago. In the order it wasn't specified so i assumed that the processor is 32 bit. But it turns out that i have a 64 bit processor. My Windows Vista is 32 bit. Should i install the 64 bit version. Will i get any performance benefits ? And if i should install the 64 bit version is it included in the Vista CD that came with my Dell laptop ?

inspiron_wvhpe

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December 25th, 2007 12:00

No the Vista CD that came with your system is Dell OEM Vista 32bit only, you would have to go buy a retail 64bit version of Vista.
 
Here is some info on 64bit operating systems.
 
Please note that a lot of software and hardware is still not compatible with 64bit Vista right now.
And Dell do not offer 64bit drivers right now for a lot of there systems so for now I would hang on.
 


Inspiron 1501

MK36 AMD Turion

2 GB RAM

ATI 200MSeries

Vista Build 6001

santos99

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December 26th, 2007 08:00

In my opinion, Dell is screwing over its customers by not informing them on its webiste of the availability of Vista 64-Bit and its advantages. They've even broken the tradition of doubling RAM to keep the 32-Bit version going as long as possible.
 
The fact is that Vista 32-Bit, like XP 32-Bit, cannot efficiently address more than 2 GB of RAM. With 3GB of RAM you won't notice any perfomance improvements and If you aim to upgrade your RAM to 4GB, your system will deduct all your I/O devices (video card, etc.) and you'll only see between 3 and 3.5 GB. That's why Dell is selling so many systems with 3GB now.
 
Why Dell is doing this is beyond me, but I assume they don't have the drivers ready yet. At any rate, there will soon be a major headache as soon as many poor Dell customers realize that they won't be able to upgrade their RAM without upgrading to a 64-Bit operating system.
 
I'm sure Dell will then offer them a free upgrade to Vista 64-Bit. Right Dell?

MisoMK

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December 26th, 2007 11:00

I would like to get Windows Vista 64 bit in the future, lets say in the next year. Is Dell giving some discount or something. I don't wanna buy the windows again.

gdwrnch3

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December 26th, 2007 16:00

       Dell doesn't sell you the 64 bit OS, they sell a 32 bit OEM OS just like the rest of the pc manufacturers, you don't pay for the 64 bit disk either.
       They are trying to avoid the tech support nightmare if inexperienced users started switching to x64, it can be quite a frustrating task to find drivers for all your goodies. There's not enough support yet.
       If you want to mess around with a 64 bit OS, you can get a good deal here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215
 
     Most software written for today, still doesn't take advantage of the 64 bit string. The software people need to get their act together and start optimizing for x64


Message Edited by gdwrnch3 on 12-26-2007 01:14 PM

kirkd

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December 26th, 2007 21:00

All current processors are 64 bit. Both 32 and 64 bit OSs run on them. There is no real advantage for most users to go to a 64 bit OS. As you have a 32 bit version, you can purchase a 64 bit version from MS for $10 if you wish to experiment.
 
The 32 bit OS limits memory to a max of a little more than 3GB. This is more than sufficient for most people, although 2 GB with and without ReadyBoost is almost as good. The 64 bit Vistas can address from 8 GB on up, depending on the versuon. Some motherboards will not allow addressing beyond 4 GB. It's uaually the motherboards from Dell, HP etc. that are limited because of cost considerations. The 64 bit OSs are not well supported by many software and hardware suppliers. It's a chicken/egg issue; why write software/drivers that take advantage of 64 bit OSs if no one has them and why use 64 bit if you can't get everything you need to run.
 
Dimension 9100, Dual-Boot Win XP / Vista Home Premium, 3.0 GHz P4, 3 GB DDR2 533 MHz RAM, 160 GB SATA II Samsung (XP), 300 GB SATA II Seagate (Vista), 250 GB SimpleTech USB (WD Drive), Nvidia Go 6800 (425/825 MHz - XP, 400/800 MHz - Vista, Vista Driver - 163.75), Dell 1901 UltraSharp FP

Inspiron E1705, Win Vista Premium, T7200 Core 2 Duo (4MB, 2.0 GHz 667MHz), 2 GB DDR2 677 MHz RAM, 120 GB Samsung HD, Nvidia Go 7900 GS - 156.69 Driver, 17” Sharp UltraSharp TrueLife Wide-Screen WUXGA

gdwrnch3

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December 27th, 2007 01:00

     unfortunately, this is not correct. The OEM software doesn't qualify for th 10 dollar deal.

KirkD wrote:
. As you have a 32 bit version, you can purchase a 64 bit version from MS for $10 if you wish to experiment.

kirkd

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December 27th, 2007 01:00

You are absolutely correct. I answered too fast!!!

gdwrnch3

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December 27th, 2007 09:00

       You must be reading someone else's reply, I didn't say the serial # wouldn't work, as I have never tried that, and I, unlike many won't make a statement without first trying it. What I said was,
"unfortunately, this is not correct. The OEM software doesn't qualify for th 10 dollar deal."
Do you see anything there about #'s? What it says, is that the OEM software does not qualify for the MS free 64 bit disk deal.
  This is a fact, not speculation or hearsay.

santos99

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December 27th, 2007 09:00

"unfortunately, this is not correct. The OEM software doesn't qualify for th 10 dollar deal."
 
Where did you get this from ? Dell's OEM version is like any other OEM version. There's nothing in the EULA which prohibits using a 64-Bit version.
So as far as I know, Dell owners can use the key from their 32-Bit Vista for the 64-Bit version. They just need to get the DVD.
In other forums I've seen this being discussed and it's been reported that this has a success using hp and dell computers.
 
I haven't tried it myself, but I see no reason why it should not work.


Message Edited by santos99 on 12-27-2007 05:13 AM

santos99

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December 27th, 2007 12:00

"What it says, is that the OEM software does not qualify for the MS free 64 bit disk deal."
 
Am I missing something?
 
What what says? Can you provide a link to a website in which Microsoft (or Dell) states that OEM software doesn't quailify for the 64-Bit disk deal? I've been searching for a website, where this is clearly stated, but I have yet to find it.
 
By contrast I have found a number of websites where the same question is asked and the reply is: as long as you have a Vista OEM license, you can install a 32-Bit or 64-Bit version. The only thing that you cannot do with an OEM version vs. retail is install it on another computer.


Message Edited by santos99 on 12-27-2007 08:46 AM

Message Edited by santos99 on 12-27-2007 08:47 AM

santos99

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December 27th, 2007 14:00

As I said, I'm still checking this because the issue doesn't seem to be completely resolved. Some say you can get a 64-Bit DVD through Vista anytime upgrade. You might want to read the follwoing thread:
 

gdwrnch3

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December 27th, 2007 14:00

Call MS, they'll explain it to you. You really need to read what I said.
I said nothing about it not working with your OEM code, I do not know weather that will work or not, as I stated, I have not tried that, so I can't comment on it. What I said was, MS will NOT give you the free 64 bit disk with an OEM version, the retail version is the only one eligible for the free 64 bit disk, It really doesn't matter what you have read on other sites, call MS, they will explain it to you, then you will know for sure.
 
  Have a great new Years.....
santos99 wrote:
"What it says, is that the OEM software does not qualify for the MS free 64 bit disk deal."
 
Am I missing something?
 
What what says? Can you provide a link to a website in which Microsoft (or Dell) states that OEM software doesn't quailify for the 64-Bit disk deal? I've been searching for a website, where this is clearly stated, but I have yet to find it.
 
By contrast I have found a number of websites where the same question is asked and the reply is: as long as you have a Vista OEM license, you can install a 32-Bit or 64-Bit version. The only thing that you cannot do with an OEM version vs. retail is install it on another computer.


Message Edited by santos99 on 12-27-2007 08:46 AM

Message Edited by santos99 on 12-27-2007 08:47 AM



Message Edited by gdwrnch3 on 12-27-2007 11:53 AM

MisoMK

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December 27th, 2007 14:00

OK. So can i or not order a Vista DVD. If I can where can i do that ?

santos99

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December 27th, 2007 15:00

Guys,
 
No need to get upset. I'm just trying to help out Dell customers trying to get the right version. I'm not here to pull your chain.
 
Thanks for the link. But it just says you can order it over that site if you have a retail version.
 
But how about if you order it from this site:
 
 
Has anybody tried that?
 
Tha guy on another forum I posted on said he ordered 64-Bit disk and it worked without a problem.

Rebel9

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December 27th, 2007 15:00

"If you bought Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, or Business as a retail, packaged product, and you would like a DVD of 64-bit software media to install on your PC, please choose your language:" - and then you are prompted to enter your ordering information.
 
In other words, if you purchased a RETAIL package of any of these versions, you can obtain the 64 bit edition from MS for a small shipping charge. If you enter an OEM key when prompted for your current product key, it will be rejected.

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