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February 10th, 2020 01:00

XPS 15 9550, random sudden turn-off when running on battery, ASF2 Force Off

Hello Dell Community, My Dell XPS 15 (9550) was experiencing random sudden shutdown in the past months and years when running on battery. BIOS Power Event logs shows ASF2 Force Off. I already have checked the internet and the dell community forums for possible solutions but I didn't found the solution. I have also performed some troubleshooting trying fixing the issue but no success. Based on my research this issue is common to Dell XPS series laptop and also possibly affecting other laptop series such as Dell Precision, Inspiron, and Latitude Series.

In this post, I will describe my experience, troubleshooting performed, and result of my research, and propose a possible solution to Dell to help us fix this issue.

Description:
The problem started a few years back, probably 2018 or 2019 when my original battery (56 wh) is performing poorly after using it for few months. I have experienced random shutdowns when running on battery and the system doesn't recognized the correct capacity of the battery. My laptop can be used longer when it is already at 1-15% charged while at 16-100% it drains faster. I have assumed that the problem is with the battery so I bought (6-7 months ago) a new battery with the higher capacity to replace the old one. After replacing the battery the issue still persists. When the sudden turn off happens, I cannot turn on the laptop when it's not connected to the charger. When I go to the BIOS and check the Power Event logs, I've found the log/error "Power Off - ASF2 force off". I've also tried checking the internet for possible solutions and also performed some troubleshooting to fix the problem but I didn't found the solution.

Performed Troubleshooting:
In trying to solve the issue, I have performed some troubleshooting to fix the problem. The troubleshooting that was performed are the following.

  1. Performed Battery Calibration based on this (link1) and this one (link2)
  2. Performed both Dell SupportAssist Full Hardware Scan and Enhanced Pre-Boot System Assessment (ePSA) (basic and extended mode) with all tests passed (on-charger or on-battery) and result says the battery is in excellent condition.
  3. Performed new Battery force re-detection using this guide. (link)
  4. Tried running the system in Windows 10 Safe Mode (Issue still persists when in safe mode).
  5. Tried to install other Linux based operating system (i.e. Ubuntu) to check if the issue also occurs in the other platforms but still, it also occurs in other platform.
  6. Cleaned the system board, re-seated RAM and SSD, cleaned the fans, and reapplied thermal paste.
  7. Reinstalled the Operating System (Windows 10 Home SL) several times and with the latest drivers, software, and OS updates installed. I've also updated firmware and BIOS (tried different versions and loading/restoring BIOS to factory default settings).

Observations after some troubleshooting:
After performing multiple troubleshooting mentioned above the problem still persists. But I've found out that after updating the BIOS to the latest BIOS update (1.13.1) released last Jan 06, 2020 and after cleaning the laptop fans, the frequency of the issue was reduced. Previously, even during the initial startup (after windows login) the laptop suddenly turns-off (improperly). But now it happens less frequent than before. But still, the issue still randomly occurring.

After my latest observations, I'm so desperate in identifying the issue and fixing it. So i tried to perform a System Stability Test using AIDA64 Extreme (v6.20.5300) to check if it can trigger the sudden shutdown. I have performed it both when running on charger or on battery. When I ran it with the charger is plugged, my laptop rarely or doesn't thermal throttle. It also stays at safe temperature (around 75-82°C). It ran it for 6 hours without any issues.

But after performing System Stability Test on battery, the problem occur after few seconds or minutes only. I thought initially that this is caused by overheating; but after checking AIDA64's result after the sudden turn-offs I've found out that the laptop didn't thermal throttle and overheat, and it turns-off even at 48°C and 60°C. It looks like the system doesn't properly handle sudden increase in workload when running on battery. I've tested it on both with my old and new battery, still the same issue occurs. Below are the test setting which triggered the sudden turn-off.

System Stability Test configuration:
Stress CPU - enabled
Stress FPU - enabled
Stress cache - enabled
Stress system memory - enabled
Stress local disks - disabled
Stress GPU(s) - enabled
Duration - few seconds or minutes
Running on battery

I've also performed some research about the ASF2 force off error and its connection to it occurring when running on battery. After my research, I've found out that similar issue also exists in other laptops mentioned below.

AFS2 force off on battery related issue - possible affected systems found in Dell Community Forum:

  1. Dell XPS 15 9550 (link1, link2)
  2. Dell XPS 15 9575 (link1, link2)
  3. Dell XPS 13 9360 (link1, link2, link3, link4link5)
  4. Dell Precision 15 5510 (link1)
  5. Dell Precision 3510 (link1)
  6. Dell Precision M6700 (link1)
  7. Dell Gaming Laptop Series 7000 (link1)
  8. Dell Inspiron 15 7567 (link1)
  9. Dell Inspiron 15 7570 (link1)
  10. Dell Latitude E5430 (link1)

After browsing the internet and reading related issues, there is no found definitive solution to this problem. It also looks like this issue is not unique to my laptop only nor to this specific model (XPS 15 9550). Based on my readings, I've identified some possible causes of this problem.

Theories/Possible Causes:

  • Power Management unable to handle sudden increase of workload based on the AIDA64 test as mentioned above.
  • Possible issue on Dell's Power Management Algorithm when on battery (old or new) which triggers the ASF2 Force off.
  • Power Management conflict after replacing the battery
  • Doesn't properly detect/recognize newly installed lower/higher capacity 56whr, 84whr or 97whr battery (detects only the old battery's condition) and causes conflict
  • Other issues that only the BIOS developer can identify and fix. It looks like this issue can only be fixed by a BIOS update.

A lot of people are having this issue and are disappointed not having this fixed till this day. This is not an isolated issue but also affects their multiple Dell laptop products. I hope dell will take this issue seriously and give their best efforts in releasing a BIOS update to fix this issue. They can improve what they have done to the Dell XPS 15 9550 1.13.1 BIOS update to make the laptop usable and stable.

I have put so much effort in diagnosing and trying to solve this problem. I hope my efforts won't go to waste and Dell would hear me out and take action to this problem. 

Fixing this issue will not only make their customer happy but will also save them costs in repairs and replacements due to the same reported issues.

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December 6th, 2020 13:00

@RnBeer Hi! I started getting the same problems as you with my Precision 5550. The same BIOS version 1.4.0 (I'm not sure if they identical with XPS 9550 or not). Only one difference in our configurations is that I'm using Fedora linux and you are using Windows.

I've tried to reinstall linux, restored BIOS 2 times, made full diagnostic of the notebook - no errors.

Diagnostic only writes warning that power cable unable to detect after that spontaneous reboot.

In BIOS Log the same message that you wrote: Power Off - ASF2 force off.

I wrote to Dell Support and now I'm waiting what will be next step to fix it.

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December 10th, 2020 05:00

@notawhale, let us know of what will be Dell Support's advice to you. I am really curious to know. In my case it's a "board replacement" apparently. But to be honest, with all these number of seemingly similar cases of ASF2-Force off that is dating back from 2017 or so, I just can't believe Dell have been ending up with board/hardware replacements/repairs. If they have been, then something is really wrong with the builds. One thing that bothers me is that there seems to be NO definitive answer or a root cause analysis for these cases from Dell at all. Is it Windows? drivers issues ? if hardware related, what has been failing - batteries? regulator? processor? I mean after all the steps done, Dell just told me I'm for board replacement. This would have been OK if i just got a lemon, but looking at the forums, there's just too many of us with lemons for this not to be a priority by Dell.

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December 12th, 2020 07:00

@RnBeer Hello! The motherboard was replaced and looks like it helped. 3 days in a row without any problems.

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December 21st, 2020 05:00

Hi All

After 2 years of trying to fix this issue my XPS 15 9550 is now running OK. So far anyway

Strange thing is I wasnt trying to fix it.

All i did was install a realtek audio update (10.0.17134.1) via windows update and then in tidying up my start up programs I decided to disable Realtek HD audio manager

Now it is probably coincidence but before this my XPS wouldnt last more than a few minutes before cutting out and now appears fine

Any thoughts?? 

February 9th, 2021 15:00

I am having the same problem but have one small bit to add.  I have an XPS 15 9560 and have recently replaced the battery.  I have no problems while plugged in.  But while on battery, I have one specific scenario that will cause the ASF2 Force Quit.  I am using Home Designer 2021 CAD software.  Normal usage is no problem but when I place a virtual camera in the plan view, it generates a 3D render of the plan.  The render usually completes but as I begin to pan around, it places a load on GPU 1 (NVidia GeForce GTX 1050) and it will inevitably cause the battery cutoff.  

I have verified this with Task Manager.  As the rendering begins I watch the load on the CPU, GPU 0 (Intel HD Graphics 630 - used for driving the display), and GPU 1.  Without fail, as the load on GPU 1 is increased to the 25% range, the battery cuts off.  Note that the GPU temp never exceeds 60 degrees so don't think this is a thermal issue (nor are there any thermal events in the BIOS log).

This may all be a more specific symptom of the general problem, but for me it is reliably reproducible.

One other random thought here is that if this is, indeed, load related, then load is proportional to current flow out of the battery - the harder the electronics are working, the more current the battery has to provide.  If these replacement batteries have a higher internal resistance than the OEM batteries (this could be due to manufacturing differences), then as the current rises quickly, the voltage at the battery will begin to drop.  With higher internal resistance, the voltage will drop faster for a given current draw.  The BIOS / motherboard probably has a voltage monitor and will cut battery power if the voltage drops too low.

If this is the case, then there may very well not be a BIOS / Firmware or even new Motherboard fix.  Only a battery with the OEM internal resistance will solve the problem.  This is best tested by Dell since they will have access to their OEM batteries and can measure the internal resistance compared to the replacement batteries we're all using.

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March 24th, 2021 00:00

I have the exact same isusses with my XPS 9360 after only about 3 years of use. I have replaced the battery with an dell original according to the information I get using the Dell Power Manager. 

From time to time on battery it just shuts down (turns off without any notice) and won't start unless I plug it into the ac. It starts fine connected to power and then I can remove it from power and it will work just fine. During startup the diagnostics LED blinks orange three times (no white blink) - anyone got an idea?

I was not able to reproduce the shut down consistently. 

March 24th, 2021 09:00

Looks Like The Solution work For me two Thanks

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May 16th, 2021 11:00

YES! I have been having this exact same issue for about a month now, and have been trying to search for answers, on Reddit, youtube, Microsoft Forums, and this dell community page, but have had little to no success. So grateful I stumbled across this page! such a relief to know I'm not the only one.

I am a busy student whose entire life is on this laptop, and so sending in my laptop for a ridiculous amount of time, just for them returning it saying "sorry, no issues were found".... not an option for me. I have the i7-10875H (8cores) with 32Gigs of Ram and a 1Tb SSD, and it's one from the first batch dell produced with the wobbly-as trackpad. Although i picked mine up from Bestbuy for nearly 30% off so not gonna complain too much bout that. I worked hard and saved up all summer then finally placed my order with my desired specs. After some playing around I noticed a bios update was available, and ever since have been having the very problems you described...

> After more than a few hours of power off, I will boot it up, and while the system launches Windows, it abruptly shuts down, as if there was a boot error, but no error codes appear. Then I have to manually power it back on, just for it to abruptly shut off again, This usually happens 2-3 times, but never more than that. 

> Once it finally figures its out, I am able to sign into windows, but immediately am prompted with a notification saying "Your PC isn't Charging", and it doesn't matter which port I put it in, or how many times I unplug, plug back in. it refuses to charge. At first, I thought I may have damaged the charger, as the adapter itself has some black magic going on between the computer and the laptop... but not the case, as I can charge other devices with no problem with the adapter.

>For me, to be able to charge I have to unplug absolutely everything, restart the thing, then it finally works.

Anybody reading this and having the same issue, feel free to reach out, and if somebody finds a solution that does not involve me sending my personal computer to some facility for a BS diagnostics, I would appreciate it more than you'd know!

 

On a side note, what the  is with the 'Embedded Fan Controller'. The built-in fan-curves are horrible as if dell is TRYING to kill my computer, and although the "Dell Power Manager" software allows for some flexibility, this laptop is not a toy, not designed for amateur users, this needs to be fixed asap!!!, A simple firmware update to disable the Embedded Controller is all it needs.

Very disappointed dell. Very disappointed. 

October 4th, 2021 10:00

I had the same problem and Dell replaced the MoBo earlier this year. The issue was intermittent until recently again. I have noticed that it rarely happens while plugged in to my WD19TB dock, but is frequent when I'm on the stock charger that came with the laptop and undocked. I've done everything I can find on the forums/reddit beside disable the high performance boost options in the BIOS, because I don't feel I should have to do that in order to have a functioning laptop. It's my next step, though. I am beyond frustrated with this situation. I had 8 months of perfect performance, then problems started.

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October 4th, 2021 11:00

After about 6 months of the same issues with zero success, I have a feeling the problem is from one of three reasons, each closely related;

> The stock 130w charger supplies an unreliable, dirty power stream to the system, through a very sensitive USB C port (which btw is only designed to handle 100w), therefore causing the system to protect itself and abruptly power down. Easy solution, buy a 95-100w third-party adapter on amazon or something and just always have it plugged in like a 2007 iPhone 4.

>Second possibility, A while back I grabbed a used monitor (LG 24MK400H) with nearly 3500 hours on it, but the very first time I plugged it in via the included USB C to HDMI 2.0 adapter, the entire system instantly shut off, with no BSOD once again. after opening the error log, a code appeared saying that due to insufficient power supply, the Intel i7 UHD Graphics was forced to shut off. Meaning, there's a driver issue relating to the system's power demand. and what is interesting, is when completely disabling/uninstalling the UHD drivers, all of the issues with the system refusing to charge, and force off no longer occur. 

>Third reason, poorly designed Motherboard. Both driver and physical errors resulting in unhealthy power delivery, causing the system to protect itself unnecessarily.

Still very disappointed in this product, especially with the lack of support. ASUS it is for next time.

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October 6th, 2021 03:00

same issues no fix yet started for me yesterday looks like this how dell are welcoming me was a macbook user 

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October 6th, 2021 03:00

having the same issues here started yesterday, and as you i was a macbook user never any issue deep in the hardware to motherboard level this issues is scary and it make me afraid that things might get worse if the issue is at cpu level

if you have any idea in whats wrong exactly please tell us 

just to tell you it happened to me after an update too but 1,9,1 

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November 1st, 2021 19:00

Same problems here!  Been struggling with this for ~3 months.  From what I'm reading here, a new battery will not help.  I've updated the Bios but no help. Guess I'll try the tip with powering on with no battery.  I've got nothing to lose at this point.

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November 30th, 2021 05:00

To troubleshoot the problem I've started a watt-meter to see how many watts does my laptop consume. 

I've been running a benchmark while sitting in a park just to warm up my knees with the laptop's heat. 

I confirm that shutdown(or forced suspend/hibernate) occurs with the newly replaced battery when the charge is below 50%, the power consumption shows 45 (!) watts on my Dell Latitude 5401. The stress-test is a simple "stress" command running on all 12 cores on Linux. 

So, it looks like the system is trying to use more power than the battery can provide, the issue depends on the workload you're trying to run on the laptop. Usually, it's not a problem because I'd avoid running such hard workloads on the battery power (unless you're trying to use the laptop as a heater). 

I guess the patch should just limit the overall power consumption to be below 40 watts or so when the charge is below 50%.  

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December 14th, 2021 04:00

I have a 8 months old XPS 15 9500, having the same issue. MB replace a few weeks ago, but it didn't fix the problem. I have to turn on the laptop without any USB-C connections, login on Windows 10, and then plug in the USB-C connector of my D6000 docking station with 2 monitors, keyboard and mouse. Sometimes the laptop even restarts (with the ASF2 error) after login to Windows 10, but before I connect the USB-C.

Any tips are welcome. Opening a new case with Dell Support. I still have warranty on my laptop.

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