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July 5th, 2020 09:00

Aurora R11, heating concerns

I am debating building my own vs the Alienware 11.  I would appreciate any feedback from the many informed users I have noticed who post on this forum.  I am thinking about a an i7-10700 cpu (non-clocked), with the NV 1660i.  I will configure with a 1 TB M2, and then slap in 1 x 2.5" 500GB SSD and 2 x 3.5" 1TB HDD in the bays ( I will need to change one of the lower bay cages.)  I am not a gamer (nothing against gamers) but will be using it to run heavy web surfing (40+ tabs),  streaming and occasional video editing.  Here are my concerns:

Cooling.  Lots and lots of concerns constantly on heat issues with XPS and Alienware.  Mostly coming from heavy gamers I assume, but I still have concerns with the small Alienware case, inferior OEM fans, tight spaces, etc.  I have never had liquid cooling and the idea of putting anything liquid inside a computer freaks me out.  Also I see you have to change out the fluids on the AIO pumps after 20000 hours which means after a couple years, I am going to have to change (or work on) the pump. I thought about going with air cooling but the heat sink on the A11 looks inadequate. 

Questions (assuming the above build):

(a)  Do I need the AIO liquid pump or can I go with air cooling?

(b)  Should I worry about an AIO liquid pump and what maintenance concerns, if any, should I factor in to my decision making?

(c)  Can you put a better CPU sink/fan in the A11?  Can you put a better AIO pump in the A11?

(d) Any thoughts on the CPU or GPU selection?

Thank you for taking the time to review my questions.  All replies are appreciated.

 

 

 

  • Tesla1856

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    Posted July 5th, 2020 11:00

    Not sure what an A11 is . I'll assume you mean Aurora-R11 .

    a. For Intel i7 or Intel i9 you should get a Liquid-Cooler

    b. No. Asetek OEM coolers are very reliable

    c. You can do whatever you want, but why? Purchase with Liquid-Cooler and 850w Power-Supply and be done with it. Get your computer and start using it.

    d. This is what happens when you try to use fan-cooling on an Intel-i7. Intel-i9 would be worse.

    https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware-Desktops/Aurora-R9-i7-9700-overheating/m-p/7639359/highlight/true#M28964

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  • GTS81

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    Posted July 5th, 2020 14:00

    @Happyhiker1957 :

    (a)  Do I need the AIO liquid pump or can I go with air cooling?

    AIO liquid pump.

    (b)  Should I worry about an AIO liquid pump and what maintenance concerns, if any, should I factor in to my decision making?

    No serviceable parts in the AIO. Use it until wheels fall off.

    (c)  Can you put a better CPU sink/fan in the A11?  Can you put a better AIO pump in the A11?

    You can put a better fan (Corsair ML120 Pro). It's difficult to define better AIO pump. Most pumps even 3rd party ones come from one company called Asetek. The one that comes in the Dell is a pretty good unit.

    (d) Any thoughts on the CPU or GPU selection?

    Internet browser seems to scale number of tabs with the cores and memory utilized. So you could consider going up to 10900 to get all 20 cores so that Chrome will use maybe only 18 cores while you have 2 more cores to load Excel or something. Make sure you get loads of memory though. If you can score a great deal on your R11 config with 64GB from Dell, go for it and save yourself the headache of upgrading later.

  • r72019

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    Posted July 5th, 2020 20:00

    "I am not a gamer (nothing against gamers) but will be using it to run heavy web surfing (40+ tabs)" 

    "Internet browser seems to scale number of tabs with the cores and memory utilized. So you could consider going up to 10900 to get all 20 cores so that Chrome will use maybe only 18 cores while you have 2 more cores to load Excel or something. If you can score a great deal on your R11 config with 64GB from Dell, go for it "

    @GTS81  Have you ever considered being a computer salesman?  I guess there are a number of things that came to mind (.. title of post is heat concerns), but the only thing I guess I'll comment on is that you forgot to mention an upgrade for the GPU, since we're now pairing a 1660 with a 10900 and 64 gb RAM the GPU would now be a bottleneck on performance, if the system were pushed to the max.

     

     

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    Posted July 6th, 2020 13:00

    @Happyhiker1957 

    I think your choice of CPU and GPU make a lot of sense for your needs. i7-10700 is a very good choice for video editing and multi-tab web browsing. I use Premier Pro a lot and the video rendering time is mostly determined by CPU's multi-threading performance. GPU does help a bit but not much. Therefore opting against a RTX card is a good decision. 

    For cooling concerns, I am not sure about R11 but for our R8 users, switching to a third party AIO liquid cooling is a no-brainer. The stock fan cooling is just a joke and even the Alienware water cooling gets many complaints. I never used water-cooling before either, but I could not be happier after I installed an entry-level Corsair H60 and witnessed it keeping my i9 consistently under 80 degrees for hours of 3D rendering or game development in Unreal Engine. 

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    Posted September 19th, 2020 14:00

    Whatever you do, don't buy the r11 with 2080 ti. I got one and I sweat everytime I play for a long time, because of the gpu heat, even with undervolt.

    For high end gpus only buy with water cooling solutions

  • r72019

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    Posted September 20th, 2020 18:00

    The oem 2080ti is not an asus rog strix (nice thought but wouldn't fit).

    It is an msi custom rebrand for dell, based on their aero lineup, with a single blower fan. There is no direct retail equivalent version sold, it is oem dell only.

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    Posted September 20th, 2020 18:00

    @Roberto B Costa 

    Hey, I just placed an order for a 2080ti R11 2 days ago, and I've seen a lot of comments like this popping up. it's really got me second guessing that choice. Can I ask what version of the 2080ti OC card comes in that unit? Is it the single blower fan version from previous generations? I read in one forum that it's the Asus ROG-Strix. Also, the R11 only comes with GPU liquid cooling on the 2080/70 super cards, right?

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    Posted September 20th, 2020 19:00

    I can just say to you "welcome to the heat club"

    Honestly the temperature itself does not put the card at risk, it's an acceptable temperature FROM THE CARD perspective. But if you are close to the desktop you suffer with the heat and noise.

    If you put the desktop far enough you might not sweat, but my table is not big enough for it. I am honestly thinking in repasting to check if it gets better, but there are all those concerns with warranty. Another option is waiting for a watercooled option for the rtx 3000 cards, alienware said that they would include 3000 series, but I don't know if there'll be watercooled options.

    I can just say that I am not happy with my current situation. It's funny that I didn't see one single post of people saying this when I bought it, so I guess I am paying the consequences for buying it earlier.

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    Posted September 20th, 2020 19:00

    @r72019 do you have any links with this info? I would like to know more details about the dell version of the rtx cards.

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    Posted September 20th, 2020 20:00

    @Roberto B Costa "do you have any links with this info? I would like to know more details about the dell version of the rtx cards."

    Yeah, I know what you mean but these aren't retail cards so it's not readily available from the manufacturer. You need to run the dell part numbers for oem GPUs from wholesale suppliers and get the info that way.  Note that the GPUs used across various models so some accessories like a rear mounting bracket for an A51R5 are not applicable for the Aurora.  For example: 

     Dell Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB Graphics Card

    1350 MHz Base Clock Speed
    11GB GDDR6 GPU Memory
    1x HDMI, 3x DP, 1x USB-C
    Full Height Bracket
    Dell Part Number: TRDVJ
    Base Clock Speed: 1350 MHz
    11GB GDDR6 GPU Memory
    Memory Interface: 352-bit
    Memory Bandwidth: 484.4 GB/s
    4352.0 CUDA Parallel-Processing Cores
    11340 GFLOPS Single-precision compute power
    System Interface: PCI-E 3.0 x 16
    Maximum Power Consumption: 250 W
    Cooling Solution: Active
    Output Type: 1x HDMI, 3x DisplayPort, 1x USB-C


















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