Well, I am pretty psyched to upgrade my old CRT monitor. I have pretty much settled on the VIewsonic VP2330wb or Dell's 2407FPW. The Dell has the edge for size, cost and comparable performance.
After seeing all the issues on this board, I am going to hold off. It doesn't seem worth the risk and it seems Dell has some things to sort out yet on this monitor. With Dell reported to be coming out with a 22" LCD and I hope, god forbid, fixes to the 2407FPW, waiting seems to be the prudent thing to do.
Prices keep dropping too so maybe I'll save some money.
Well, I am pretty psyched to upgrade my old CRT monitor. I have pretty much settled on the VIewsonic VP2330wb or Dell's 2407FPW. The Dell has the edge for size, cost and comparable performance.
After seeing all the issues on this board, I am going to hold off. It doesn't seem worth the risk and it seems Dell has some things to sort out yet on this monitor. With Dell reported to be coming out with a 22" LCD and I hope, god forbid, fixes to the 2407FPW, waiting seems to be the prudent thing to do.
Prices keep dropping too so maybe I'll save some money.
Buying this monitor was the best decision I ever made. Upgraded from a 19 inch Viewsonic, and the picture is AMAZING...I wouldn't hold out just because some people had some bad luck. This LCD panel is worth it and you will thank yourself.
I also have a couple friends who have bought this and also feel the same way.
Thanks Morden for the input. We'll see, since I haven't won the lottery, I tend to be a cautious type (Buy once, buy good). If I see the tide turning here or decide the risk is overstated, I'd buy it.
I don't doubt the individuals who are still having problems even with the Rev A02. However, I'll add a 3rd voice to this thread concerning an excellent monitor with no problems. Why do some have problems and others don't? I don't know. Just remember, that the vast majority of people who have the monitor and don't have any problems never post on this forum so you can expect the "bad" posts to way outnumber the "good" posts.
And, to just short-circuit any comments concerning some people being more particular than others, I am not a gamer, but bought this monitor for video and photo editing and need a monitor that accurately depicts the source. I do know what to look for in banding and my monitor does not display it.
hmmmmm. This subject has been beaten to death and everyone still talks about it. I for one kept believing that this issue was so minor that it didnt matter. So I ordered a 2407. just got it 2 days ago. I love having a huge monitor. Its really great.
But that gradient issue is still very there. you can even notice it in games and websites. Its not just when you do finiky work in photoshop. True it is mostly a vertical gradient but its more then just that. horizontal gradients mixed with the verticals turn out rather strange like a baddly compressed jpeg. My worry isnt so much the gradient as why its there and why it "disappears" when you put a complex photo on. I dont believe there is just a "simple fix"
Let me explain: the dell 2407 (from the many hours of research of done) is a 8-bit display powered by 6-bit electronics that dither up to 8 bit. (this means that the statment that it has 16.7 million colours is a very sneaky statment and a partial lie. It displays them sure. but it takes 16.2 million colours and guesses the inbetween stuff.) I don't know if I'm correct in saying this but I think the gradients is the one part where dell can't hide the fact their electronics are a bit subpar. Their dithering "electronics" get confused with gradients and cant fake the inbetween colours.
Now the part that really worries me. You dont notice the gradients in most fairly complex images. This is because the 6 to 8 bit dithering works quite well in hiding the fact that its not displaying you the image as well as it should. but its not really hiding it. its compressing and then showing you an image that actually looks a bit compressed.
If you just play games and a bit of web browsing then this monitor is great "for the money. it has a fast response time(because it doesnt display as many colours). Although I tried it with Prey and half-life 2 and found it not perfect with gradients. other then that its a great gaming monitor. the size is perfect for awesome widescreen gaming.
If you want this for HD quality movies or for photowork your looking at something that might not be good enough. You will notice gradients in movies unless a lot is going on. and even then you are not getting as good colour as a true 8 bit monitor.
I love gaming but I alos need this to be fairly good for photowork and I really dont think it is good enough. dell cut back on the electronics and it really shows. Im going to try one replacement and see if its a bit better but I doubt it will be judging by the tons of issues Ive read online. Sorry dell but you definately made a mistake with this one.
Message Edited by thedommer on 08-01-200605:32 PM
edit: apparently chris says it is "true 8-bit." I've read so many things otherwise. One was from someone who said that they talked to someone who worked on the european model and was told it was 6 bit with ditehring up to 8 bit. I don't really know if thats true or not. I do know what I see though. and what I see feels like 6-bit. Am I wrong? maybe. butthen maybe dell should make true 8 -bit electronics that look 8-bit.
If this 8- bit is true then I have another question:
can I hold onto this monitor until revision A03 and then exchange it? I want to know this because then I might considere hanging onto it with the hope I will get a better version. But if I will be forced to stick with this one then I think I shall return it.
on last thing - Ive had 2 other dell monitors and they were both quite good. Ive always loved dell monitors. Thats why I'm really hoping this thing gets a bit of an upgrade. Ill pay an extra 100 bucks for a bit better electronics.
hmm. normally I would be interested in what you say as I'd love to know this monitor can be good. However, after looking at past posts (not that im stalking you, I just was curious what else you had posted about this monitor) it seems you had your monitor at 1280x1024 for a period of time and thought everything "looked great." No offense to you but these and any other companies widescreen monitor monitors look terrible at that resolution. and would be very stretched... If you thought that looked good then I don't think I can trust your opinion because that is possibly one of the worst ways to have your monitor set up and would make it look absolutely terrible. So I just cant see you noticing something that might be a little more subtle (but still quite obvious) like gradient issues or backlight issues.
Well, I'm afraid I'm going to have to join the camp that is having problems and will probably have to return the 2407. Which is a shame, because a lot of things about the monitor are good. Good looks. Solid. Good text on mine. But my problems are:
1. No separate contrast setting. Which is really not a good thing imo. When I open 3ds max and work, my models have such high contrast. And the renders have high contrast as well. I've tried adjusting the Nvidia drivers contrast but it just doesn't help much.
2. Banding in rendered images. I'm only really getting banding in images with smooth graditions. But I'm getting them in 3ds max viewport as well when it has a gradient. Also getting them in photoshop. Also in any image that has been even slightly compressed (though I think this may also have to do with the extremely hight contrast overall).
I love the design of the monitor (exterior) and wish I could keep it, but I need a little more accuracy so I can tell what I'm producing. Haven't tried the monitor in VGA mode, but perhaps that would correct some of the problems I'm facing -- it also kind of defeats the point of having a digital monitor though.
prey is where I noticed it the most. really makes some of the lighting look quite bad. but thats just games.
I was hoping to use it for photowork. I just thought the gradient issue woudn't be that bad. but it really is bad. and mixed with the blatantly obvious left side being bright and right side being dark its probably a no go for me.
good for you if it works for you. as I said. its not bad for gaming. if thats what your using it for then congrats.
lets not start a war though. My message will be clear enough when I return the monitor and simply shop elsewhere. I hate that im going to have to spend a good 700 bucks more then the dell. but there is not much else I can do. its bloody useless for any photo/colour/3d/serious work.
I presumed that widescreen monitors are for gamers and graphic designers. no one else needs them really. But I guess with this new generation we booted one of them out.
Message Edited by thedommer on 08-01-200610:11 PM
I hate the word noob. its totally ignorant. I only have 4 posts. That makes me a "noob." But is anyone on a dell forum not a noob??? If you hang out here for more then the amount of time to learn about a product and buy it and get it fixed or find answers then you must not have enough to do with your life... And if you like forums there are lots that are "cooler" then hanging out in a customer support forum....
Well, after reading this forum for awhile I have come to the conclusion, as have quite a few others, that I don't feel that the risk is worth it. So, after a lot of research, I have decided to buy a samsung 244T & see just how bad the lag is;-) Even though I know most people using these forums are mainly those that are not satisfied with their experiences.
I have given dell a reasonable time to react to peoples problems but, apart from a still buggy A02, I have not seen much sign of this. I have even contacted sales & they took a long time to answer & when they did they did not even know what a panel no. or a revision is. Still waiting for an answer to my last email. Even on this forum the only answer I have had is a note from chrism to say I violated the terms of service by using a word commonly used on any other forum.
Good luck to all those that are having problems & to those that are not, I hope you won't have any.
I just gave up on DVI input altogether and switched over to VGA, after enough calibration (involving going into service mode), I've been happier with the image quality ever since.
I don't think 6bit vs 8bit is a valid argument because basically all of the image quality issue is gone on VGA, no banding, no green shimmering from fast white=>gray=> white switch, and still sharp as DVI.
Dell chose a great panel and great design, but because they decided to put one of the worst input boards I've seen in the monitor, they lost the product. I've never had so much problem with the monitor, and I'll think think twice before buying another dell.
so If you get 2407, just get a duct tape and tape over the DVI and component input, and never use it. and you'll be much happier.
BTW did anyone get the HDCP over DVI to work properly?
Thats funny, I didnt realise receiving 4 2407 A02's and 1 A01 all with banding was just band luck... Maybe I should give dell another chance....... Errrr. no.. :smileyvery-happy:
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August 1st, 2006 12:00
What do you mean by "defects"? If you're talking about the stuff here, then never, until a new revision A03 (not planned) or a new model
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August 1st, 2006 15:00
crcross
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August 1st, 2006 16:00
Well, I am pretty psyched to upgrade my old CRT monitor. I have pretty much settled on the VIewsonic VP2330wb or Dell's 2407FPW. The Dell has the edge for size, cost and comparable performance.
After seeing all the issues on this board, I am going to hold off. It doesn't seem worth the risk and it seems Dell has some things to sort out yet on this monitor. With Dell reported to be coming out with a 22" LCD and I hope, god forbid, fixes to the 2407FPW, waiting seems to be the prudent thing to do.
Prices keep dropping too so maybe I'll save some money.
Morden2006
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August 1st, 2006 16:00
Buying this monitor was the best decision I ever made. Upgraded from a 19 inch Viewsonic, and the picture is AMAZING...I wouldn't hold out just because some people had some bad luck. This LCD panel is worth it and you will thank yourself.
I also have a couple friends who have bought this and also feel the same way.
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August 1st, 2006 17:00
Thanks Morden for the input. We'll see, since I haven't won the lottery, I tend to be a cautious type (Buy once, buy good). If I see the tide turning here or decide the risk is overstated, I'd buy it.
Thanks!
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Message Edited by thedommer on 08-01-200605:32 PM
edit: apparently chris says it is "true 8-bit." I've read so many things otherwise. One was from someone who said that they talked to someone who worked on the european model and was told it was 6 bit with ditehring up to 8 bit. I don't really know if thats true or not. I do know what I see though. and what I see feels like 6-bit. Am I wrong? maybe. butthen maybe dell should make true 8 -bit electronics that look 8-bit.
If this 8- bit is true then I have another question:
can I hold onto this monitor until revision A03 and then exchange it? I want to know this because then I might considere hanging onto it with the hope I will get a better version. But if I will be forced to stick with this one then I think I shall return it.
on last thing - Ive had 2 other dell monitors and they were both quite good. Ive always loved dell monitors. Thats why I'm really hoping this thing gets a bit of an upgrade. Ill pay an extra 100 bucks for a bit better electronics.
Message Edited by thedommer on 08-01-200605:46 PM
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Message Edited by thedommer on 08-01-200606:34 PM
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Message Edited by thedommer on 08-01-200610:11 PM
I hate the word noob. its totally ignorant. I only have 4 posts. That makes me a "noob." But is anyone on a dell forum not a noob??? If you hang out here for more then the amount of time to learn about a product and buy it and get it fixed or find answers then you must not have enough to do with your life... And if you like forums there are lots that are "cooler" then hanging out in a customer support forum....
Message Edited by thedommer on 08-01-200610:35 PM
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Well, after reading this forum for awhile I have come to the conclusion, as have quite a few others, that I don't feel that the risk is worth it. So, after a lot of research, I have decided to buy a samsung 244T & see just how bad the lag is;-) Even though I know most people using these forums are mainly those that are not satisfied with their experiences.
I have given dell a reasonable time to react to peoples problems but, apart from a still buggy A02, I have not seen much sign of this. I have even contacted sales & they took a long time to answer & when they did they did not even know what a panel no. or a revision is. Still waiting for an answer to my last email. Even on this forum the only answer I have had is a note from chrism to say I violated the terms of service by using a word commonly used on any other forum.
Good luck to all those that are having problems & to those that are not, I hope you won't have any.
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August 2nd, 2006 17:00
I just gave up on DVI input altogether and switched over to VGA, after enough calibration (involving going into service mode), I've been happier with the image quality ever since.
I don't think 6bit vs 8bit is a valid argument because basically all of the image quality issue is gone on VGA, no banding, no green shimmering from fast white=>gray=> white switch, and still sharp as DVI.
Dell chose a great panel and great design, but because they decided to put one of the worst input boards I've seen in the monitor, they lost the product. I've never had so much problem with the monitor, and I'll think think twice before buying another dell.
so If you get 2407, just get a duct tape and tape over the DVI and component input, and never use it. and you'll be much happier.
BTW did anyone get the HDCP over DVI to work properly?
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August 4th, 2006 11:00
Message Edited by Shocky on 08-04-200607:51 AM
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August 4th, 2006 16:00