(Please Note: Not an advert for tech. comparison only)
120+ pics and I see very very minor banding in some of the pics and gradients no better or worse than my 2407’s in desktop mode or VGA for that matter of fact. Hard to tell from just pics without monitor in front of us.
BenQ 241w does look really good, better than 5 other 23" and 24" LCD's I've looked at.
Wonder how it handles pixel persistence test, which mocks side-to-side movements in gaming. There must be no hitches in gaming.
RadXGe, I think there are some pics of hi res sources.
I'm at the point that I do not trust so called magazine reviewers anymore, since all the ones who wrote up the reviews on the 2407 gave it high remarks. I'll wait until some of you guys get one, and report back as to the banding, dead pixels, lag, and component inputs. :smileytongue:
After posting the above trustedreviews link in another thread, I emailed the reviewer to ask if it suffered from any of the 2407 probs [gave him a link to a list]. He responded on the banding
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As luck would have it, I still have the Dell sitting in the office, so I
obviously compared the two monitors when I was writing the BenQ review. I
can honestly say that the BenQ suffers from none of the banding issues that
plague the Dell, in fact the BenQ produced some of the smoothest tonal
gradations that I've ever seen in a monitor.
"
Didn't state if this 2407 was the model reviewed which mentioned banding issues [half way down]
www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=7173&head=0
Maybe the 2407 A04 will be incorporate some of changes put into the Benq 241
“BenQ Promote New Monitor Line Up
September 10th 2006
September sees BenQ Global release information about their new gaming orientated range, with the aim to satisfy growing market need for faster performance. The line up is head-lined by the eagerly anticipated FP241, in both the regular "VW" version and the Black Frame Insertion (BFI) supported "WZ" version. There is a lot of talk in their press releases about their Advanced Motion Accelerator (AMA) technology and the addition of HDMI interface on this new model:
BenQ FP241VW / FP241WZ featuring AMA technology
"As the official display partner to gaming conventions WCG (World Cyber Games) 2006 Japan Tournament, CPL (Cyberathlete Professional League) Winter Championship in the US and 2006 NGL Gaming League at the Games Convention in Germany, BenQ's LCD monitors – featuring AMA Z and HDMI technology, will be used in all competitions respectively, setting a new gaming standard worldwide."
BenQ FP241W With 'BFI' Announced
June 9th 2006
BenQ today announced their new 24"WS monitor, the FP241W. There will be two versions of this, the FP241W and the FP241W +BFI. Both models are the same except one version uses BenQ's "Black Frame Insertion" technology which was unveiled at CEBIT 2006, and reported by TFT Central at the time. As discussed, this technology is designed to help reduce ghosting effects by 'cleaning' the eye every few frames with the insertion of a black frame. Early reports about this BFI technology were promising and this looks to be the first model BenQ are releasing which utilises it.
The FP241W also supports a HD 1080p input signal and has an HDMI interface for multimedia connections. The spec seems to have changed a little since early reports about this screen suggested it would be 8ms G2G response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio and 500 cd/m2 brightness. This was the spec listed over at Prad.de as well, and it was anticipated that it would use the Samsung LTM240M2 S-PVA panel, as used in several other models including the Dell 2407WFP and Acer AL2416W. However BenQ list the spec as 6ms G2G, 800:1 and 300 cd/m2 which is different to the spec Samsung list for their panel. There is a reasonable amount of speculation as to which panel is used, and it is quite likely that it may still be the Samsung S-PVA panel. However, given BenQ's affiliation with AU Optronics, and the presence of their 24"WS P-MVA panels (M240UW01 variants), it could possibly be their panel. CMO also have an S-MVA panel at 24" whose spec looks potentially similar, the M240J1. We will have to wait and see, although my money is on the Samsung S-PVA at this stage. It is possible that they have used a different backlighting structure and so brightness rating (and therefore contrast ratio) is now lower. This is reasonably common, with the panel still fundamentally being the Samsung S-PVA, but then altered a little thanks to BenQ's panel construction and electronics.
UPDATE: (23/6/06) BenQ have confirmed that the FP241W is using an AU Optronics 'VA' panel. They have not been able to provide any further information, but assuming this is correct, it looks like the monitor will be using the P-MVA M240UW01 panel. This would make sense since they have been producing the BFI technology, but specs listed on BenQ's site still do not match those of the panel. More news as its available.
Dell 2407WFP A03 Revision Released
September 2nd 2006
With another release of an update from Dell potential buyers and current owners are left wondering whether it will have fixed any remaining 'issues' which some are still reporting from their 2407WFP screens. The A01 revision certainly offered some fairly drastic changes from the original A00 release, including fixes for the text blur problem and colour banding issue (in desktop mode) which many users reported. The A02 was accompanied by very little information from Dell but users still seemed very eager to jump on the band wagon and assume this offered more improvements and that A02 > A01. In reality, users found that there were still some slight issues with colour gradients to some users which still remained the main gripe with the screen. As I've said in the past, I think it is debatable as to whether you would notice such issues in normal day to day use and I'd question whether this slight banding is really a problem to the average user. Regardless, people will continue to test these Dell models in this area and look for new updates to help eliminate the problems.
Recently users have begun to start receiving the new A03 revision, and again this seems to be accompanied by almost an hysteria about its possible improvements and updates. The firmware has been updated to V1B20 and the panel is now strangely listed as HN208 as you can see from the OSD factory menu. Don't be alarmed by the panel name change, I am pretty certain Dell are still using the Samsung S-PVA panel, but the OSD is just listing it differently and probably referring to an internal Dell reference code.
Some users of the Dell support forums have reported on the following:
RadXGe: "I have both A02 & A03 revision and I confirm that the banding is gone with A03. I repeat: The banding is DEAD with A03. The only issue I have right now is with the incapacity to set the fixed aspect ratio when applying the 1600*1200 resolution."
He has also posted the below image of the vertical gradients from A02 (left) and A03 (right). However, other pictures show that banding is still slightly evident in some cases and remains unchanged since A02.
My advice with the situation is to be very wary of the hype surrounding these new releases. There have been some pretty sweeping statements I have seen across forums, including on Dell's support forum, which include things like "HDCP via DVI has been fixed now supporting full 1080i/p". These kind of statements are unsubstantiated and as with the A02 release, I'd suggest you don't bank on any massive changes. Chris M who is the moderator of the Dell forums conducted meetings with Dell about the 2407WFP and clears the whole thing up with the following:
"The only changes made to the 2407WFP A03 were language fixes in the OSD (On Screen Display)"
Hey guys, i have been scoping out the benq, and i wonder if dell will sell me a stand off a 2407 seperatly, coz it looks like a direct fit to the benq. DELL will probly sell me a old bent 2nd hand stand tho alas :( i like how u can lower the 2407 stand all the way to the desk top, as thats how i like it :P the benq wont let you go low on its stand and is ridiculously too high when fully extended, imo
i probly wont get the benq, but maybe i will. bah! maybe i wait for the sammy 245t or the 2707 ubertron mkIII and maybe by that time we will have led backlighting, and then ill be testing a technology in its alpha stage and it will not deliver the goods either :P
If the benq gets alot of good USER reviews i may get the ugly beast.......
My patience is improving over all this, im interested to see how it all shakes out in the end, perhaps the dell 2407 saga will make a good tv mini series, or perhaps a IMAX spectacular some day.
oh rite yer, i didnt explain myself properly, when u play a dvd movie in 16:9 format u get the black bars top and bottom coz its 16:10 monitor of course :), they kind of blend into the black bezel and u dont really notice they are there :D thats what i think is cool about black, and its said sliver is more distracting watching movies and the like:D
you have 2 2407's, you love life, just get em changed for A03's and u be ok, but yer why not get a black beast :P
Message Edited by ArchAnge1 on 09-17-2006 04:17 PM
yep a04 would be nice hey, if benq fix all the issues listed in the data from this forum we all supplied to ChrisM, would be a nice xmas gift :D
i hope thats the result of putting my time and effort into this, as thats why i am here :D even if people flame me elsewhere, its water off a ducks back as my objective is clear. !ROAR!
oh yer i also come to these forums just so i can read 'all the facts' posts too :D
Just read Samsung and BenQ warranty horror stories. Kept me up all night:)
2 to 6 months and nothing fixed. Units exchanged, shipped to wrong addresses you are out the cash. WOW!
Can't get parts for new model LCD TV's, bulbs but no ballast, or whatever that part was, out a TV for a year. Now exchanges, repair only on some models 1,2,3 months and they still are holding your product you paid for hostage.:) Weeks for email replies. And on and on! I stopped reading after 40 or 50 of these!
If it's thread flaming, ChrisM can kick or ban, it's his choice.
Now the good news, 3 - new 2407 - A03's on the way.:)
Customer service was excellent. The person I spoke to addressed my concerns politely and professionally. She was very conscientious and detail orientated. The seamless transaction was followed up with email confirmations. I am very impressed, so far.:)
I’ll let you all know what happens throughout the remainder of the process and my test results of each new panel.
Good Day:)
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-25-2006 05:19 PM
The warrantees by samsung aust. seem to b different from us of a he he
Here the warrantee is no dead pixels for 3 yrs. & an onsite tech. to come & check yours out. Then they are supposed to install the new one & check it & pack up the old one & take it back to samsung. They also guarantee a new monitor & if they can't replace your model you will get a new later model which corresponds in features to yours. Hard to beat eh:smileyhappy:
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Saw a BenQ241W review from Hong Kong
(Please Note: Not an advert for tech. comparison only)
120+ pics and I see very very minor banding in some of the pics and gradients no better or worse than my 2407’s in desktop mode or VGA for that matter of fact. Hard to tell from just pics without monitor in front of us.
BenQ 241w does look really good, better than 5 other 23" and 24" LCD's I've looked at.
Wonder how it handles pixel persistence test, which mocks side-to-side movements in gaming. There must be no hitches in gaming.
RadXGe, I think there are some pics of hi res sources.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2
Fit.flash920.com%2Ff%2Fdiy%2F069%2F4%2F319982.htm&lp=zh_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
What Does Everyone Else See? I know there will be mixed opinions.
I personally don’t like BenQ’s warranty. No advanced exchange.
This thread ought to be interesting and informative:)
Good Day!
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As luck would have it, I still have the Dell sitting in the office, so I
obviously compared the two monitors when I was writing the BenQ review. I
can honestly say that the BenQ suffers from none of the banding issues that
plague the Dell, in fact the BenQ produced some of the smoothest tonal
gradations that I've ever seen in a monitor.
"
Didn't state if this 2407 was the model reviewed which mentioned banding issues [half way down]
www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=7173&head=0
Maybe the 2407 A04 will be incorporate some of changes put into the Benq 241
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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/newscontent.htm#FP241W
Partial quotes:
“BenQ Promote New Monitor Line Up
September 10th 2006
September sees BenQ Global release information about their new gaming orientated range, with the aim to satisfy growing market need for faster performance. The line up is head-lined by the eagerly anticipated FP241, in both the regular "VW" version and the Black Frame Insertion (BFI) supported "WZ" version. There is a lot of talk in their press releases about their Advanced Motion Accelerator (AMA) technology and the addition of HDMI interface on this new model:
BenQ FP241VW / FP241WZ featuring AMA technology
"As the official display partner to gaming conventions WCG (World Cyber Games) 2006 Japan Tournament, CPL (Cyberathlete Professional League) Winter Championship in the US and 2006 NGL Gaming League at the Games Convention in Germany, BenQ's LCD monitors – featuring AMA Z and HDMI technology, will be used in all competitions respectively, setting a new gaming standard worldwide."
BenQ FP241W With 'BFI' Announced
June 9th 2006
BenQ today announced their new 24"WS monitor, the FP241W. There will be two versions of this, the FP241W and the FP241W +BFI. Both models are the same except one version uses BenQ's "Black Frame Insertion" technology which was unveiled at CEBIT 2006, and reported by TFT Central at the time. As discussed, this technology is designed to help reduce ghosting effects by 'cleaning' the eye every few frames with the insertion of a black frame. Early reports about this BFI technology were promising and this looks to be the first model BenQ are releasing which utilises it.
The FP241W also supports a HD 1080p input signal and has an HDMI interface for multimedia connections. The spec seems to have changed a little since early reports about this screen suggested it would be 8ms G2G response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio and 500 cd/m2 brightness. This was the spec listed over at Prad.de as well, and it was anticipated that it would use the Samsung LTM240M2 S-PVA panel, as used in several other models including the Dell 2407WFP and Acer AL2416W. However BenQ list the spec as 6ms G2G, 800:1 and 300 cd/m2 which is different to the spec Samsung list for their panel. There is a reasonable amount of speculation as to which panel is used, and it is quite likely that it may still be the Samsung S-PVA panel. However, given BenQ's affiliation with AU Optronics, and the presence of their 24"WS P-MVA panels (M240UW01 variants), it could possibly be their panel. CMO also have an S-MVA panel at 24" whose spec looks potentially similar, the M240J1. We will have to wait and see, although my money is on the Samsung S-PVA at this stage. It is possible that they have used a different backlighting structure and so brightness rating (and therefore contrast ratio) is now lower. This is reasonably common, with the panel still fundamentally being the Samsung S-PVA, but then altered a little thanks to BenQ's panel construction and electronics.
UPDATE: (23/6/06) BenQ have confirmed that the FP241W is using an AU Optronics 'VA' panel. They have not been able to provide any further information, but assuming this is correct, it looks like the monitor will be using the P-MVA M240UW01 panel. This would make sense since they have been producing the BFI technology, but specs listed on BenQ's site still do not match those of the panel. More news as its available.
Dell 2407WFP A03 Revision Released
September 2nd 2006
With another release of an update from Dell potential buyers and current owners are left wondering whether it will have fixed any remaining 'issues' which some are still reporting from their 2407WFP screens. The A01 revision certainly offered some fairly drastic changes from the original A00 release, including fixes for the text blur problem and colour banding issue (in desktop mode) which many users reported. The A02 was accompanied by very little information from Dell but users still seemed very eager to jump on the band wagon and assume this offered more improvements and that A02 > A01. In reality, users found that there were still some slight issues with colour gradients to some users which still remained the main gripe with the screen. As I've said in the past, I think it is debatable as to whether you would notice such issues in normal day to day use and I'd question whether this slight banding is really a problem to the average user. Regardless, people will continue to test these Dell models in this area and look for new updates to help eliminate the problems.
Recently users have begun to start receiving the new A03 revision, and again this seems to be accompanied by almost an hysteria about its possible improvements and updates. The firmware has been updated to V1B20 and the panel is now strangely listed as HN208 as you can see from the OSD factory menu. Don't be alarmed by the panel name change, I am pretty certain Dell are still using the Samsung S-PVA panel, but the OSD is just listing it differently and probably referring to an internal Dell reference code.
Some users of the Dell support forums have reported on the following:
RadXGe: "I have both A02 & A03 revision and I confirm that the banding is gone with A03. I repeat: The banding is DEAD with A03. The only issue I have right now is with the incapacity to set the fixed aspect ratio when applying the 1600*1200 resolution."
He has also posted the below image of the vertical gradients from A02 (left) and A03 (right). However, other pictures show that banding is still slightly evident in some cases and remains unchanged since A02.
My advice with the situation is to be very wary of the hype surrounding these new releases. There have been some pretty sweeping statements I have seen across forums, including on Dell's support forum, which include things like "HDCP via DVI has been fixed now supporting full 1080i/p". These kind of statements are unsubstantiated and as with the A02 release, I'd suggest you don't bank on any massive changes. Chris M who is the moderator of the Dell forums conducted meetings with Dell about the 2407WFP and clears the whole thing up with the following:
"The only changes made to the 2407WFP A03 were language fixes in the OSD (On Screen Display)"
Good Day.
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I don't like the glare of silver.
F.Y.I., Just a reminder and what some pics look like here as to refurb's.
Tap water and a clean soft cloth can leave a milky film.
Tap water and a clean soft cloth with a small trace of detergent can leave a milky film.
Minerals in tap water, rust from pipes are not good for LCD's either, might scratch them.
Good Day!:)
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I might try an ugly beast with huge black bars all around but, were I am it'll probably be available 2008 or never:(
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2 to 6 months and nothing fixed. Units exchanged, shipped to wrong addresses you are out the cash. WOW!
Can't get parts for new model LCD TV's, bulbs but no ballast, or whatever that part was, out a TV for a year. Now exchanges, repair only on some models 1,2,3 months and they still are holding your product you paid for hostage.:) Weeks for email replies. And on and on! I stopped reading after 40 or 50 of these!
Never, no sir, not me:)
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Message Edited by ArchAnge1 on 09-25-2006 06:15 AM
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Now the good news, 3 - new 2407 - A03's on the way.:)
Customer service was excellent. The person I spoke to addressed my concerns politely and professionally. She was very conscientious and detail orientated. The seamless transaction was followed up with email confirmations. I am very impressed, so far.:)
I’ll let you all know what happens throughout the remainder of the process and my test results of each new panel.
Good Day:)
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-25-2006 05:19 PM
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