@Gymrat76 wrote:
Weird, from the menu, my monitor has been used 1992 hours 21 minutes... thats 80+ DAYS. I haven't even gotten the monitor that long, and its turned off whenever I'm not using the PC, which is at night and during most of the day when I'm at work... what gives? This was a new set, A01, have not done any exchanges :/
Are you Gymrat76 from HWZ?
Message Edited by Whiteshadows on 09-04-200601:00 PM
@Whiteshadows wrote:
Anyway, can someone here englighten me on what are the changes for the revision A00, A01, A02 besides A03(language fixes..). Thanks, greatly appreciated. :)
No banding, nothing (the artificats you see are created by my camera). No calibration and the brightness is set to 40. The color transition is perfect. Please note that I used to have the A02 (my A03 is a replacement) and banding was clearly visible on the same picture.
Weird, from the menu, my monitor has been used 1992 hours 21 minutes... thats 80+ DAYS. I haven't even gotten the monitor that long, and its turned off whenever I'm not using the PC, which is at night and during most of the day when I'm at work... what gives? This was a new set, A01, have not done any exchanges :/
To clarify previous post about use hours secs. time in hidden menu.
Use time adds up when the LCD in plugged into an active electrical source and LCD is "ON", in "Stand By Mode" and yes even "OFF".
You would have to cut off the electrical source to the LCD plug to stop the clock. Such as switching off a power stip or UPS battery back up or unplugging it.
This use clock can not determine bulb usage hours or power on hours. This informaton is useless for resale value as usage proof of LCD power on hours and bulb life.
Good day!
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-04-200602:47 PM
I used the other .png that has circular tests as well as vertical and horizontal test patterns.
No banding there at its current original size. Only when zooming into different parts of the test pattern some minor anomalies show up.
"In the .png you provided there is some horizontal banding but no vertical banding. Repeat, in the vertical stripped test pattern, some horizontal banding does show up only in this specific .png file you provided.
If you zoom in and out using windows picture and fax viewer the horizontal banding is to differnet degrees of width and you probably know non existant if you zoom in real close on the .png .
Amazing."
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
""""""""Re .png file flawed:
That specific post of the .png
at http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
with color horizontal and vertical bars only, may not be a sample you want to use in the furutre, as it has inherent flaws of horizontal bands in the vertical stripped pattern on the right side and that inherent flaw is what I saw in the test on the LCD's.
Inherent flaw: An existing flaw in something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: In this case the test pattern is flawed and should not be used.
Note that I can see horizontal bands on a CRT when zooming in the .png and is a flawed test pattern. Rule out my previous comments on the horizontal banding on the two 2407's and anyone else who used that .png.
Back to square one, no banding here or in real world applications.""""""""""""""
But, overall, no real time use banding issues in applicatons, video, gamming and hi res pics in all three modes.
In other words real world usage.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I hate to post this, but Dell's Product Engineering Group probably views this banding issue this way and if they do we are all out of luck.
In reference to the banding issue:
Something that is negligible may be neglected. A quantity can be said to be negligible when it is safe to ignore (neglect) it in the present case, within the margins for error that have been agreed to be acceptable in this case.
Although related to the more mathematical concepts of infinitesimal, the idea of negligibility is particularly useful in practical disciplines like physics, chemistry, mechanical and electronic engineering, computer programming and in everyday decision-making.
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You and others might find this interesting:
LCD monitors: Clock/Pitch and Phase controls for analog-input
at:
http://www.techmind.org/lcd/phasexplan.html and
http://www.techmind.org/lcd/index.html#phasing
Wonder if the clock/pitch and phase are relavent to DVI inputs or is it analog only?
Look at examples of clock and pitch incorrect settings and the incorrect phase settings which resembles banding.
I am sure the Dell Engineers can correct all of these issues, it's just if they want to or not.
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In response to: "another test aside from above and the .png floating around here, is when you boot XP, there is a white circle of sorts that fades into the blue background on the upper left, on 2407 I have seen, you can make out rings, while on other monitors it is totally smooth transition."
If you mean the blue background of the login screen then, it's a smooth transition, just the DVI symbol shows up, no large or small circles. No circles during entire boot sequence.
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No HW calibraton done. Like to get one.
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I'd still like to know the answer to this:
RadXGe posted:
08-31-2006 07:31 PM RadXGe
I have both A02 & A03 revision and I confirm that the banding is gone with A03.
I repeat: The banding is DEAD with A03.
My question to RadXGe, Is that in desktop mode only or is it dead or non exsistant in all 3 modes for you? You know
Multimedia and Gamming?
Good day!
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-04-200605:05 PM
all the facts, i guess we cant do much here to make dell listen as it says on that tftcentral link that dell has not recived any official complaints about the component issue, umm i mean isnt posting this problem on the DELL forums a way of making an official complaint ???? Man i cant believe what i just read, so how can i make an official complaint then as it seems ive been wasting my time here except for trying to help a few people out with the small amount of lame knowledge i have, as i am just a normal dude trying to get a nice lcd for myself lol.
all the facts, i discussed your post (a02 no banding)with a friend of mine who is alot more intellegent than me, first thing he said was, it would seem that dell has maybe slipped some new revisions through without putting the a03 sticker on it. Cant recall if you posted what your bios version was in the service menu, just wondering if its the same as an a03, if its not then i dunno what to think about all this anymore lol......
In australia here we can not get a03 yet, i intend to get one so soon as they appear here (despite what i may have posted hehe srry :P), ive got nothing to loose as ill send it back again if im not happy with it.
I just went out today and got this http://www.cmv.com.tw/en/product.asp?pid=%7bDA4721AD-32F5-4471-96E2-4837B6980308%7d to put a AUD price into context for yall it cost me $300 AUD as compared to a 2007wfp that sells here for $650 or more depending on what day it is. I was planning on writing a big review on it but after getting it home and having it side by side with the dell i dont think ill bother, it seems u get what u pay for these days. the dell destroys it for colours n contrast, text sharpness and it just generally looks alot better. except the chimei maybe the whites are whiter but the blacks are nowhere near as good, i guess thats the diff with 6bit vs 8bit the colours look washed out as ive heard others use that term and i can see why, also bad back lighting top n bottom, no dead pixels as i tested it at the shop. i got it coz i have to send me dell back in a few hours and i dont want to go back to a crt, should be ok to get by on for a while i hope this little chimei.
All is not off topic tho as its all related, dell will be releasing a 22" ws lcd some time and it will use the same or very simular spec panel as this chimei, yeh dont think ill be getting one hehehe. I was going to sell the chimei in a few weeks to a friend for a little cheaper than i paid but im not sure if i can do it to him now, it bands worse than my dell, well its not worse its weird as the stepping bands as i call them are not as bad as the dell but the more classic banding is present moreso on the chimei. its weird as i have read reviews about this chimei and people said no banding was on it....... ARGH! i permenantly see banding now ARGH! no component input trouble on the chimei as it has no component:D no hdcp too yeehaw, id personally like to boycott this technology hehe but i read that scene encoders have already worked out how to crack bluray and other new HD protected content.
Its all cool tho as ill probly end up using the chimei on my old trusty p3 800 that i use for 24/7 bt downloading :P
Re: versions:
I noticed on both 2407FPW's A02's, in the additional information screen the firmware "V1B15" SAM WUXGA LTM240L2 and on the back June 2006 Manuf. date.
This "is" the way to get your point accross to Dell.
POST, "Fix the banding issues in all LCD monitors."
For future firmware upgrades on future products, always make them consumer friendly as possible as to flashing firmware if possible.
Always, if you don't like the product, return it or exchange it as many times as you like under the warranty "Advanced Exchange" or 21 day return policy. You don't have to pay a 15% restocking fee if you state a manufacturers defects like banding issues and others that directly effect the performance of the monitor and in turn effects your income $$$ hence, they should also pay return shipping if you ask nicely.
I will be sending one of the A02's (the dead pixel one) in for an Advanced Exchange for the banding issue, but waiting to be assured an A03 and will compare to the A02 before I pack it up and if the A03 has problems it'll go back first at there shipping expense. Like that Advanced Exchange never without a monitor, in my case two.
One of my main decisions in purchasing a 2407 was the lag time between mouse and pointer, Dells 2407 seems to be the shortest. I have used LCD's that lag as much as a half a second. Yes that much.
All in all, hope Dell decides to remedy the issues in the next few months.
Will be following the new BenQ:
http://www.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=812&page=features
I could not and would not reccommend these 2407FPW to Photoshop Pros, Graphics Artists or anyone that needs a high quality LCD that directly impacts their income $$$ and livelihood.
I think ChrisM and the Dell gang will get the point after reading these posts when they return from the Labor Day holiday on Tuesday if they are from the U.S..
there have been quite a few tests that have inherent banding in them. those apple trailers for one. but i still think this image checks out. this is the first person i have ever, across many msg boards, ever complain about that particular image.
just look at RadX, he uses is and shows the A02 and A03 difference, tons of people on a japanese site showed the difference between 2405 and 2407 with that image.
anyway, yes, many of the samples and tests proposed were flawed, but i don't think this is one of them.
at http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
with color horizontal and vertical bars only, may not be a sample you want to use in the furutre, as it has inherent flaws of horizontal bands in the vertical stripped pattern on the right side and that inherent flaw is what I saw in the test on the LCD's.
Inherent flaw: An existing flaw in something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: In this case the test pattern is flawed and should not be used.
Note that I can see horizontal bands on a CRT when zooming in the .png and is a flawed test pattern. Rule out my previous comments on the horizontal banding on the two 2407's and anyone else who used that .png.
Back to square one, no banding here or in real world applications.
Good day to All!
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-04-200605:07 PM
I used the other .png that has circular tests as well as vertical and horizontal test patterns.
No banding there at its current original size. Only when zooming into different parts of the test pattern some minor anomalies show up.
"In the .png you provided there is some horizontal banding but no vertical banding. Repeat, in the vertical stripped test pattern, some horizontal banding does show up only in this specific .png file you provided.
If you zoom in and out using windows picture and fax viewer the horizontal banding is to differnet degrees of width and you probably know non existant if you zoom in real close on the .png .
Amazing."
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
""""""""Re .png file flawed:
That specific post of the .png
at http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
with color horizontal and vertical bars only, may not be a sample you want to use in the furutre, as it has inherent flaws of horizontal bands in the vertical stripped pattern on the right side and that inherent flaw is what I saw in the test on the LCD's.
Inherent flaw: An existing flaw in something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: In this case the test pattern is flawed and should not be used.
Note that I can see horizontal bands on a CRT when zooming in the .png and is a flawed test pattern. Rule out my previous comments on the horizontal banding on the two 2407's and anyone else who used that .png.
Back to square one, no banding here or in real world applications.""""""""""""""
But, overall, no real time use banding issues in applicatons, video, gamming and hi res pics in all three modes.
In other words real world usage.
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ok, here is the thing, with that .png, on the Dell 2407 A02 I see banding on the right-side vertical gradients, as you did, BUT i DO NOT see this on a Samsung 244t, on a DiamondPro CRT, on whatever LCD is on my friend's laptop, on a whatever CRT is on this apple in the lab, and on another CRT, on a Dell 2405. There are tons of people who see the banding on the right side with 2407 but not on any other displays. I am simply viewing it neither zoomed in nor out, just viewing it as a 1:1 mapping of the image to the screen. maybe it's not the best image, maybe it is, but it seems to work, since it looks smooth on stuff i see no banding ever on and looks banded on 2407 and 6bit panels.
by booting XP, I mean, at the log-on page, there is a white circle of sorts that fades into blue, saw banding rings around it on 2407 and totally smooth on other displays.
still shocked to see your claim that in real world you can't spot any banding or problems even when using the two non-desktop modes. i mean just go to any website with any smooth transitions, play Beyond Good or Evil, put any of a million things up. I don't think even the A03 people say they see no banding using the other two modes (or am I wrong, A03 fixes in all modes??), even the ones posting photos showing A03 has way less banding than A02, if any at all. not to joke, but maybe your eyes are less sensitive to color transitions. people are different. some have varying degrees of color blindness, some have more densily packed cones and rods and see well better than 20/20, etc. or maybe you did get some weird set of A02 that have some HW or SW change that most don't. maybe a trial run for a new revision.
at http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
with color horizontal and vertical bars only, may not be a sample you want to use in the furutre, as it has inherent flaws of horizontal bands in the vertical stripped pattern on the right side and that inherent flaw is what I saw in the test on the LCD's.
Inherent flaw: An existing flaw in something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: In this case the test pattern is flawed and should not be used.
Note that I can see horizontal bands on a CRT when zooming in the .png and is a flawed test pattern. Rule out my previous comments on the horizontal banding on the two 2407's and anyone else who used that .png.
Back to square one, no banding here or in real world applications.
Good day to All!
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-04-200605:07 PM
hmmm i kinda had a feeling that might be the case with some of these images, as ive compared my sony crt to the dell lcd. i have about 12 different gradient/monitor test programs ive used n tested extensivly with. the results are a mixed bag, we need a true, universally accepted method of testing banding now i think.
Im trying to workout whats going on here so i can put my brain to better uses lol but i cant get no satisfaction.
Ill get a a03 if i can hang out long enuf (australia gets things later than alot of other places in most cases), but if the a03 is up to my very high standard :D ill keep him, if not im benq bound, yet again if i can hang out long enuf, coz we all know the benq is not out yet, but unfortunatly for me there is not many choises going for 24", i dont like the acer or sammy much. Maybe chrisM will have some news about the dell 27" as i requested it and he said he would try, but i got a feeling its like getting blood from a stone lol. however the dell 27"s .3 + pixel pitch kinda worries meh.
off topic again srry but i got a logitech mx 3000 bluetooth mouse and k/b, man i can barely play BF2 with it, it laggs so much :S i dun recomend it to yall :D when i have the bluetooth reciver plugged into the dells usb hub it seems to lag less, go figure.....
skibum5000, what testing method for banding do you recommend for us all?, we can try to make it the standard test that can be recommonded to anyone asking how to test it.
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Are you Gymrat76 from HWZ?
Message Edited by Whiteshadows on 09-04-200601:00 PM
radxge2
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Please take a loot at the following:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/dell_2xx7wfp.htm
skibum5000,
http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png looks like this on my 2407WFP A03:
http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a03verthorizxj5.jpg
No banding, nothing (the artificats you see are created by my camera). No calibration and the brightness is set to 40. The color transition is perfect. Please note that I used to have the A02 (my A03 is a replacement) and banding was clearly visible on the same picture.
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To clarify previous post about use hours secs. time in hidden menu.
Use time adds up when the LCD in plugged into an active electrical source and LCD is "ON", in "Stand By Mode" and yes even "OFF".
You would have to cut off the electrical source to the LCD plug to stop the clock. Such as switching off a power stip or UPS battery back up or unplugging it.
This use clock can not determine bulb usage hours or power on hours. This informaton is useless for resale value as usage proof of LCD power on hours and bulb life.
Good day!
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-04-200602:47 PM
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Mixed results are as follows:
I used the other .png that has circular tests as well as vertical and horizontal test patterns.
No banding there at its current original size. Only when zooming into different parts of the test pattern some minor anomalies show up.
"In the .png you provided there is some horizontal banding but no vertical banding. Repeat, in the vertical stripped test pattern, some horizontal banding does show up only in this specific .png file you provided.
If you zoom in and out using windows picture and fax viewer the horizontal banding is to differnet degrees of width and you probably know non existant if you zoom in real close on the .png .
Amazing."
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
""""""""Re .png file flawed:
That specific post of the .png
at http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
with color horizontal and vertical bars only, may not be a sample you want to use in the furutre, as it has inherent flaws of horizontal bands in the vertical stripped pattern on the right side and that inherent flaw is what I saw in the test on the LCD's.
Inherent flaw: An existing flaw in something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: In this case the test pattern is flawed and should not be used.
Note that I can see horizontal bands on a CRT when zooming in the .png and is a flawed test pattern. Rule out my previous comments on the horizontal banding on the two 2407's and anyone else who used that .png.
Back to square one, no banding here or in real world applications.""""""""""""""
But, overall, no real time use banding issues in applicatons, video, gamming and hi res pics in all three modes.
In other words real world usage.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I hate to post this, but Dell's Product Engineering Group probably views this banding issue this way and if they do we are all out of luck.
In reference to the banding issue:
Something that is negligible may be neglected. A quantity can be said to be negligible when it is safe to ignore (neglect) it in the present case, within the margins for error that have been agreed to be acceptable in this case.
Although related to the more mathematical concepts of infinitesimal, the idea of negligibility is particularly useful in practical disciplines like physics, chemistry, mechanical and electronic engineering, computer programming and in everyday decision-making.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You and others might find this interesting:
LCD monitors: Clock/Pitch and Phase controls for analog-input
at:
http://www.techmind.org/lcd/phasexplan.html and
http://www.techmind.org/lcd/index.html#phasing
Wonder if the clock/pitch and phase are relavent to DVI inputs or is it analog only?
Look at examples of clock and pitch incorrect settings and the incorrect phase settings which resembles banding.
I am sure the Dell Engineers can correct all of these issues, it's just if they want to or not.
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In response to: "another test aside from above and the .png floating around here, is when you boot XP, there is a white circle of sorts that fades into the blue background on the upper left, on 2407 I have seen, you can make out rings, while on other monitors it is totally smooth transition."
If you mean the blue background of the login screen then, it's a smooth transition, just the DVI symbol shows up, no large or small circles. No circles during entire boot sequence.
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No HW calibraton done. Like to get one.
______________________________________________________________
I'd still like to know the answer to this:
RadXGe posted:
08-31-2006 07:31 PM RadXGe
I have both A02 & A03 revision and I confirm that the banding is gone with A03.
I repeat: The banding is DEAD with A03.
My question to RadXGe, Is that in desktop mode only or is it dead or non exsistant in all 3 modes for you? You know
Multimedia and Gamming?
Good day!
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-04-200605:05 PM
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RadXGe is famous lol :D thanks for the link.
all the facts, i guess we cant do much here to make dell listen as it says on that tftcentral link that dell has not recived any official complaints about the component issue, umm i mean isnt posting this problem on the DELL forums a way of making an official complaint ???? Man i cant believe what i just read, so how can i make an official complaint then as it seems ive been wasting my time here except for trying to help a few people out with the small amount of lame knowledge i have, as i am just a normal dude trying to get a nice lcd for myself lol.
all the facts, i discussed your post (a02 no banding)with a friend of mine who is alot more intellegent than me, first thing he said was, it would seem that dell has maybe slipped some new revisions through without putting the a03 sticker on it. Cant recall if you posted what your bios version was in the service menu, just wondering if its the same as an a03, if its not then i dunno what to think about all this anymore lol......
In australia here we can not get a03 yet, i intend to get one so soon as they appear here (despite what i may have posted hehe srry :P), ive got nothing to loose as ill send it back again if im not happy with it.
I just went out today and got this http://www.cmv.com.tw/en/product.asp?pid=%7bDA4721AD-32F5-4471-96E2-4837B6980308%7d to put a AUD price into context for yall it cost me $300 AUD as compared to a 2007wfp that sells here for $650 or more depending on what day it is. I was planning on writing a big review on it but after getting it home and having it side by side with the dell i dont think ill bother, it seems u get what u pay for these days. the dell destroys it for colours n contrast, text sharpness and it just generally looks alot better. except the chimei maybe the whites are whiter but the blacks are nowhere near as good, i guess thats the diff with 6bit vs 8bit the colours look washed out as ive heard others use that term and i can see why, also bad back lighting top n bottom, no dead pixels as i tested it at the shop. i got it coz i have to send me dell back in a few hours and i dont want to go back to a crt, should be ok to get by on for a while i hope this little chimei.
All is not off topic tho as its all related, dell will be releasing a 22" ws lcd some time and it will use the same or very simular spec panel as this chimei, yeh dont think ill be getting one hehehe. I was going to sell the chimei in a few weeks to a friend for a little cheaper than i paid but im not sure if i can do it to him now, it bands worse than my dell, well its not worse its weird as the stepping bands as i call them are not as bad as the dell but the more classic banding is present moreso on the chimei. its weird as i have read reviews about this chimei and people said no banding was on it....... ARGH! i permenantly see banding now ARGH! no component input trouble on the chimei as it has no component:D no hdcp too yeehaw, id personally like to boycott this technology hehe but i read that scene encoders have already worked out how to crack bluray and other new HD protected content.
Its all cool tho as ill probly end up using the chimei on my old trusty p3 800 that i use for 24/7 bt downloading :P
BLAH BLAH BLAH SOMEONE SHUT THIS GUY UP ALREADY.
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Re: versions:
I noticed on both 2407FPW's A02's, in the additional information screen the firmware "V1B15" SAM WUXGA LTM240L2 and on the back June 2006 Manuf. date.
This "is" the way to get your point accross to Dell.
POST, "Fix the banding issues in all LCD monitors."
For future firmware upgrades on future products, always make them consumer friendly as possible as to flashing firmware if possible.
Always, if you don't like the product, return it or exchange it as many times as you like under the warranty "Advanced Exchange" or 21 day return policy. You don't have to pay a 15% restocking fee if you state a manufacturers defects like banding issues and others that directly effect the performance of the monitor and in turn effects your income $$$ hence, they should also pay return shipping if you ask nicely.
I will be sending one of the A02's (the dead pixel one) in for an Advanced Exchange for the banding issue, but waiting to be assured an A03 and will compare to the A02 before I pack it up and if the A03 has problems it'll go back first at there shipping expense. Like that Advanced Exchange never without a monitor, in my case two.
One of my main decisions in purchasing a 2407 was the lag time between mouse and pointer, Dells 2407 seems to be the shortest. I have used LCD's that lag as much as a half a second. Yes that much.
All in all, hope Dell decides to remedy the issues in the next few months.
Will be following the new BenQ:
http://www.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=812&page=features
I could not and would not reccommend these 2407FPW to Photoshop Pros, Graphics Artists or anyone that needs a high quality LCD that directly impacts their income $$$ and livelihood.
I think ChrisM and the Dell gang will get the point after reading these posts when they return from the Labor Day holiday on Tuesday if they are from the U.S..
Good day to all!
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Re .png file flawed:
That specific post of the .png
at http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
with color horizontal and vertical bars only, may not be a sample you want to use in the furutre, as it has inherent flaws of horizontal bands in the vertical stripped pattern on the right side and that inherent flaw is what I saw in the test on the LCD's.
Inherent flaw: An existing flaw in something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: In this case the test pattern is flawed and should not be used.
Note that I can see horizontal bands on a CRT when zooming in the .png and is a flawed test pattern. Rule out my previous comments on the horizontal banding on the two 2407's and anyone else who used that .png.
Back to square one, no banding here or in real world applications.
Good day to All!
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-04-200605:07 PM
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I used the other .png that has circular tests as well as vertical and horizontal test patterns.
No banding there at its current original size. Only when zooming into different parts of the test pattern some minor anomalies show up.
"In the .png you provided there is some horizontal banding but no vertical banding. Repeat, in the vertical stripped test pattern, some horizontal banding does show up only in this specific .png file you provided.
If you zoom in and out using windows picture and fax viewer the horizontal banding is to differnet degrees of width and you probably know non existant if you zoom in real close on the .png .
Amazing."
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
""""""""Re .png file flawed:
That specific post of the .png
at http://hetyo-wiz.mydns.jp/hw_upload/~2407wfp/file/up2407WFP_0044.png
with color horizontal and vertical bars only, may not be a sample you want to use in the furutre, as it has inherent flaws of horizontal bands in the vertical stripped pattern on the right side and that inherent flaw is what I saw in the test on the LCD's.
Inherent flaw: An existing flaw in something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: In this case the test pattern is flawed and should not be used.
Note that I can see horizontal bands on a CRT when zooming in the .png and is a flawed test pattern. Rule out my previous comments on the horizontal banding on the two 2407's and anyone else who used that .png.
Back to square one, no banding here or in real world applications.""""""""""""""
But, overall, no real time use banding issues in applicatons, video, gamming and hi res pics in all three modes.
In other words real world usage.
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ArchAnge1
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September 4th, 2006 21:00
hmmm i kinda had a feeling that might be the case with some of these images, as ive compared my sony crt to the dell lcd. i have about 12 different gradient/monitor test programs ive used n tested extensivly with. the results are a mixed bag, we need a true, universally accepted method of testing banding now i think.
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Im trying to workout whats going on here so i can put my brain to better uses lol but i cant get no satisfaction.
Ill get a a03 if i can hang out long enuf (australia gets things later than alot of other places in most cases), but if the a03 is up to my very high standard :D ill keep him, if not im benq bound, yet again if i can hang out long enuf, coz we all know the benq is not out yet, but unfortunatly for me there is not many choises going for 24", i dont like the acer or sammy much. Maybe chrisM will have some news about the dell 27" as i requested it and he said he would try, but i got a feeling its like getting blood from a stone lol. however the dell 27"s .3 + pixel pitch kinda worries meh.
off topic again srry but i got a logitech mx 3000 bluetooth mouse and k/b, man i can barely play BF2 with it, it laggs so much :S i dun recomend it to yall :D when i have the bluetooth reciver plugged into the dells usb hub it seems to lag less, go figure.....
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Message Edited by ArchAnge1 on 09-04-200607:51 PM
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Message Edited by ArchAnge1 on 09-04-200606:03 PM