10. PC Blue=
11. PC Red=
12. PC Normal=
13. MAC Normal=
These are just the default color values for these modes. They are equivalent to setting the same values in the "PC Custom Color" and "Mac Custom Color" sectoins in the Color Settings menu.
You wrote: "10. PC Blue= 11. PC Red= 12. PC Normal= 13. MAC Normal=
These are just the default color values for these modes. They are equivalent to setting the same values in the "PC Custom Color" and "Mac Custom Color" sections in the Color Settings menu."
Do you think the values would be the same for every 2407 panel or individual panel specific defaults? I wonder if the defaults are derived by some sort of calibration test on each panel. I have (2) 2407's and these settings are different, although by only 5 to 10 in value, on each panel.
I seem to have firmware version V1B15 and Panel info shows SAM WUXGA LTM240L2. I have 3 main questions and one subsidary one.
Why do these 2 values differ from the list given by Bronze?
Why is Debug Mode on mine at 18 and what is DDC-CI (ISP)?
If I have Debug Mode and not iTest, does this mean I have the A02 revision?
What's so bad about it? I am very happy with my faultless screen. My only complaint is with the USB hub (&cardslots) which is unusable as it hangs my BIOS at bootup.
Bronze is a color "all the facts" is the poster, that's me:)
The list from above is from a 2407 A03, firmware V1B20.
You have an A02, V1B15 firmware
If you like your A02 and don't have any issues, then that's good.
My A02's are really good, nearly flawless, very little banding in tests and really have to look hard for it in others apps., video and games. That's why I'm reluctant to change it for an A03.
A03 has a firmware revision to V1B20.
A03 firmware has the soft dither option A02 does not.
Some A02's are really bad for the banding issue.
You might find this interesting:
LCD vertical banding is a flaw that can occur in the manufacturing process of the LCD panels themselves, and some LCD panels will tend to manifest it more noticeably than others. The panels that cause the most visible problems are usually weeded out in the vendor's quality control process.
However, those that create just a hint of banding often pass through QC, since it is prohibitively expensive to discard all parts that exhibit flaws which may have no practical impact on picture quality.
So, we end up with a situation in which some LCD panels, even within a given production run on one model, will have no banding at all, some may have a hint of it that does not rise to the level of a significant issue, and some may have a more visible problem that really does impair the enjoyment of the viewing experience. In the latter case, sometimes the problem can be mitigated with internal adjustments made by the dealer or vendor service departments, and sometimes the LCD panels or the entire unit need to be replaced.
If your happy with what you have, stick with it, if not exchange or return until you are.
Tolerance and personal preference come into play with these LCD's.
I like them, they are great:) but could be better if all the issues were resolved, some don't.:(
List of issues Dell and BenQ are aware of:
RadXGe
This is a recap of the 2407WFP A03 known bugs
(1) The 1600x1200 fixed aspect (1:1) has NOT been fixed. The 1:1 option is still greyed out at 1600x1200. This is not good when you have an ATI graphic card.
(2) The inablity to set 1600x1200 mode into 4:3 is one thing, but having this monitor forget about 4:3 setting is even more annoying. Whenever I run older games or other apps that uses fixed resolutions (such as starcraft, diablo2 etc), I'll have to navigate through the menu and set the 4:3 mode, then when monitor switches back to widescreen resolution of desktop, it seems forget about such setting and makes me navigate the menu to set 4:3 every single time whenever I start those programs.
(3) Same problem with PIP, input always defaults to S-video no matter what, when I switch to different input (i.e. component) and then shuts pip off, when I turn pip back on it always resets back to s-video.
(4) Moving mouse over bright backgrounds leaves a shimmery yellow, pink or green trail a few pixels wide on the A02 and A03.
(5) The whole screen shimmers when scrolling fast.
(6) Video tearing on 720p over both component/DVI when in 1:1 mode See http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=58435 and http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=62689
(7) Incorrectly displays 1080i over component giving an usable image.
(8) Can you confirm that 1080p is supported over DVI for HDCP usage?
Some or none of the above issues may or may not effect you.
Your system hangs, cause, with the USB hub (&cardslots), try:
It should be as little as diagnosing a configuration for the BIOS to see the usb and card readers on boot up, that's probably why it hangs, it doesn't know how to interpret them.
Are you running XP with SP2 and have USB 2,0 enabled in your BIOS?
Also check your device manager for USB hubs, any new ones from the dell monitor, there are 4 up and one down.
Also the card readers should show up as Drive letters my computer.
Check your event logs, My computer>manage>event viewer> system events look for errors red X's.
What is DDC-CI (ISP)? That's one of the questons. Google it and see what you find and post back.
Good day.:)
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-17-2006 07:14 PM
DDC (Display Data Channel) is a standard created by
VESA to allow communication between the display and the display adapter.
CI (Command Interface) is an extension to DDC. It enables two-way communication between displays and adapters, allowing adjustment of display parameters such as brightness and colour balance.
ISP (In System Programming) is the ability of some electronic chips to be programmed while installed in a system.
Modern monitors contains an EEPROM chip programmed with the EDID (Extended Display Identification Data), information about the graphics modes that the monitor can display. The operating systems uses DDC protocols to retrieve the EDID from the display through the display adapter driver.
ACC - My guess is that this refers to Adaptive Color and Contrast .
Debug Mode, I guess is used in conjunction with In System Programming.
Here is a question, if the "2407 (A02) firmware update switched off the Faroudja video processing ACC (Adaptive Color and Contrast) & ACM (Active Color that switches Management) features"
Did the addition of a "soft dither" option in the version (A03) firmware update allow the above feature (which ever applies to the 2407's and I think it's the Faroudja video processing ACC (Adaptive Color and Contrast) to be switched back on or re activated?
I noticed in my 2407 A02's the ACC in the hidden menu is "ON". I noticed in the A03 pic of hidden menu the ACC is also "ON"
I know that just because the A02 appears to be on, doesn't mean it's actually active and could actually be rendered unusable in the firmware as stated above. Has it been re activated thru A03 firmware?
Dell policy concerning FSM (Factory Service Menu) The monitor internal FSM (Factory Service Menu) is only used by our monitor manufacturer service center. Dell Technical Support cannot assist with the FSM. If you break the monitor by making some change in the FSM, the purchased warranty is voided.
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11. PC Red=
12. PC Normal=
13. MAC Normal=
These are just the default color values for these modes. They are equivalent to setting the same values in the "PC Custom Color" and "Mac Custom Color" sectoins in the Color Settings menu.
all the facts
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September 17th, 2006 18:00
_doug_
Thanks for responding.
You wrote:
"10. PC Blue=
11. PC Red=
12. PC Normal=
13. MAC Normal=
These are just the default color values for these modes. They are equivalent to setting the same values in the "PC Custom Color" and "Mac Custom Color" sections in the Color Settings menu."
Do you think the values would be the same for every 2407 panel or individual panel specific defaults? I wonder if the defaults are derived by some sort of calibration test on each panel. I have (2) 2407's and these settings are different, although by only 5 to 10 in value, on each panel.
tarotray
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September 17th, 2006 22:00
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September 17th, 2006 22:00
The list from above is from a 2407 A03, firmware V1B20.
You have an A02, V1B15 firmware
If you like your A02 and don't have any issues, then that's good.
My A02's are really good, nearly flawless, very little banding in tests and really have to look hard for it in others apps., video and games. That's why I'm reluctant to change it for an A03.
A03 has a firmware revision to V1B20.
A03 firmware has the soft dither option A02 does not.
Some A02's are really bad for the banding issue.
You might find this interesting:
LCD vertical banding is a flaw that can occur in the manufacturing process of the LCD panels themselves, and some LCD panels will tend to manifest it more noticeably than others. The panels that cause the most visible problems are usually weeded out in the vendor's quality control process.
However, those that create just a hint of banding often pass through QC, since it is prohibitively expensive to discard all parts that exhibit flaws which may have no practical impact on picture quality.
So, we end up with a situation in which some LCD panels, even within a given production run on one model, will have no banding at all, some may have a hint of it that does not rise to the level of a significant issue, and some may have a more visible problem that really does impair the enjoyment of the viewing experience. In the latter case, sometimes the problem can be mitigated with internal adjustments made by the dealer or vendor service departments, and sometimes the LCD panels or the entire unit need to be replaced.
If your happy with what you have, stick with it, if not exchange or return until you are.
Tolerance and personal preference come into play with these LCD's.
I like them, they are great:) but could be better if all the issues were resolved, some don't.:(
List of issues Dell and BenQ are aware of:
RadXGe
This is a recap of the 2407WFP A03 known bugs
(1) The 1600x1200 fixed aspect (1:1) has NOT been fixed. The 1:1 option is still greyed out at 1600x1200. This is not good when you have an ATI graphic card.
(2) The inablity to set 1600x1200 mode into 4:3 is one thing, but having this monitor forget about 4:3 setting is even more annoying. Whenever I run older games or other apps that uses fixed resolutions (such as starcraft, diablo2 etc), I'll have to navigate through the menu and set the 4:3 mode, then when monitor switches back to widescreen resolution of desktop, it seems forget about such setting and makes me navigate the menu to set 4:3 every single time whenever I start those programs.
(3) Same problem with PIP, input always defaults to S-video no matter what, when I switch to different input (i.e. component) and then shuts pip off, when I turn pip back on it always resets back to s-video.
(4) Moving mouse over bright backgrounds leaves a shimmery yellow, pink or green trail a few pixels wide on the A02 and A03.
(5) The whole screen shimmers when scrolling fast.
(6) Video tearing on 720p over both component/DVI when in 1:1 mode See http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=58435 and http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=62689
(7) Incorrectly displays 1080i over component giving an usable image.
(8) Can you confirm that 1080p is supported over DVI for HDCP usage?
Some or none of the above issues may or may not effect you.
Your system hangs, cause, with the USB hub (&cardslots), try:
It should be as little as diagnosing a configuration for the BIOS to see the usb and card readers on boot up, that's probably why it hangs, it doesn't know how to interpret them.
Are you running XP with SP2 and have USB 2,0 enabled in your BIOS?
Also check your device manager for USB hubs, any new ones from the dell monitor, there are 4 up and one down.
Also the card readers should show up as Drive letters my computer.
Check your event logs, My computer>manage>event viewer> system events look for errors red X's.
What is DDC-CI (ISP)? That's one of the questons. Google it and see what you find and post back.
Good day.:)
Message Edited by all the facts on 09-17-2006 07:14 PM
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DDC-CI (ISP)
ACC - My guess is that this refers to Adaptive Color and Contrast .
Debug Mode, I guess is used in conjunction with In System Programming.
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September 18th, 2006 16:00
Thanks gpro, excellent work as usual.
Here is a question, if the "2407 (A02) firmware update switched off the Faroudja video processing ACC (Adaptive Color and Contrast) & ACM (Active Color that switches Management) features"
Did the addition of a "soft dither" option in the version (A03) firmware update allow the above feature (which ever applies to the 2407's and I think it's the Faroudja video processing ACC (Adaptive Color and Contrast) to be switched back on or re activated?
I noticed in my 2407 A02's the ACC in the hidden menu is "ON".
I noticed in the A03 pic of hidden menu the ACC is also "ON"
I know that just because the A02 appears to be on, doesn't mean it's actually active and could actually be rendered unusable in the firmware as stated above.
Has it been re activated thru A03 firmware?
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Dell policy concerning FSM (Factory Service Menu)
The monitor internal FSM (Factory Service Menu) is only used by our monitor manufacturer service center. Dell Technical Support cannot assist with the FSM. If you break the monitor by making some change in the FSM, the purchased warranty is voided.
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September 19th, 2006 03:00
Thank you for your candor and your prompt reply regarding this matter.
Please let us know when the 2407 A03's will be shipping from all hubs in the U.S. and internationally?
Have a good day:)
Smoothieboy
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"I just ordered a replacement today for my 2407 A02. Let's see what shows up on my doorstep."
When you get it, start a new thread and post some test results.
I'm still waiting for a date when the hubs are all loaded and shipping A03's.
Good luck:)