It's gamma and color shift when you view a VA monitor from an angle.
It has nothing to do with uniform brightness and DOES NOT affect white or black background.
It's inherent to the VA technology, but what KoBo simply says is that the 2408 seems to suffer much more from it than other brand using the same panel.
Indeed, based on my own experience it's very variable from one 2408 to another. Some are severly affected, on others it's not a real issue.
Depends also upon your usage and lighting conditions.
Seems to me very difficult to objectively measure it...
It's gamma and color shift when you view a VA monitor from an angle.
It has nothing to do with uniform brightness and DOES NOT affect white or black background.
It's inherent to the VA technology, but what KoBo simply says is that the 2408 seems to suffer much more from it than other brand using the same panel.
Indeed, based on my own experience it's very variable from one 2408 to another. Some are severly affected, on others it's not a real issue.
Depends also upon your usage and lighting conditions.
Seems to me very difficult to objectively measure it...
I've been lurking here for a bit, looking to upgrade my Dimension 8100 for several months now. As discounts expire on the XPS tomorrow, I decided to order one today with the 2408 and role the dice.
I notice on the build sheet that the part number for the 2408 is listed as : 320-6277 whereas the web site (still does) and previous builds showed it as 320-6272.
So 6277 is likely the new part number that Jimmy was talking about.
You cannot possibly expect to measure VA washout on a white background with brightness and contrast turned all the way up. It's a non-answer to my question.
Then give me a way to measure it other then your subjective "thats the way it looks to me" method. What setting are you testing at, what type of meter are you using...etc
People have posted multiple images of this, and I can post up a photo as, in .CR2 RAW format alongside a .jpg if you'd like that as insurance that it hasn't been tampered with.
Why do you continue to refuse this issue? It's clear for all to see on dark backgrounds. There's no need for measuring it. I run 78:80:82 R:G:B and 55 contrast/46 brightness which fits my room lighting nicely. But none of that matters at all. You can see the washout in dark uniform backgrounds no matter the settings.
I reiterate, you don't have to measure it at all. If you have anything close to normal vision, it's plain to see.
Have you tried looking at dark uniform backgrounds? If you don't see it, I'd like to get the 2408WFP unit you're using, then you can have my obviously defective one.
There really isn't anything to argue in the matter of the issue being there or not. It's only a matter of whether it's up to Dell quality standards or not. That the issue is there is indisputable.
But the more this thread progresses, I have simply drawn the conclusion that the washout is within the limits of what Dell deems acceptable - I have not been told otherwise. Which again leads me to the conclusion that Dell products are cheaply produced rubbish products.
Unless Dell has more to say on this. I think it's futile for me to say anything else and just make sure my experience reaches as many as possible. I won't tolerate being fed these silly replies over and over. It's hard to communicate when it's a one way communication to a wall of obstinate silence and lack of will to acknowledge the issue.
No hard feelings towards you Jimmy, you are just the messenger for a rotten company.
Ah I see,thanks for clarifying Kobo :) So i guess it's just the usual VA viewing angle / washout issue which you can see on most VA matrices, but on the 2408WFP (your model in particular) it is more apparent than on other screens. I guess it's hard for Dell / Jimmy since this is an issue with the panel technology and hard for them to determine if it is within their standards or not (like has been said above).
I've seen this kind of VA viewing angle "washout", "black crush" or whatever people want to refer to it as on many screens, and it does vary sometimes. Even having the same panel in two different models doesn't guarantee they look exactly the same in this regard. It's possible that the surface treatment and AR coating on the 2408WFP is causing accentuation of the issue, and could also be 'blamed' for the pink / green tinting issues that some users also spot. It's probably a combination of things, but i guess ultimately, it's not something which can be quantified and i doubt Dell could start replacing units because of it. It's the same thing with TN Film, people could exchange units because the viewing angles mean contrast changes across the panel.
I havent read the whole thread, but if you are wanting to return it / get a refund, i'd suggest perhaps following a different reason to warrant an RMA :)
can anyone post, if they have seen varying levels of color washout on pre-calibrated monitors, vs. calibrated monitors? i'm trying to justify buying a syper3 or something similar.:smileyhappy:
i`m a fresh one, and want to ask jimmy, these two weeks which you mention for new revision are valid only for US or for Word wide, because i live in Europe and i`m wondering when the new ones will pop pop here.
i`m a fresh one, and want to ask jimmy, these two weeks which you mention for new revision are valid only for US or for Word wide, because i live in Europe and i`m wondering when the new ones will pop pop here.
thanks in advance
The two weeks are an estimate on how long it will take to reach the distribution centers. Since they are all coming from the same factory I would guess its all areas.
Is the sRGB preset mode fixed in the new firmware revision? As it stands with the original A00 revision, the sRGB mode is pretty much useless as it is way too desaturated. I wonder what that preset was implemented to achieve?
I just received my replacement monitor 2 days ago from Dell and it is Rev A01.
Note, that on the shipping box it says 2408WFPb and REV A01 but on the back of the monitor the label still says A00. The sharpness does move by 10 so it is the new firmware.
Question/Problem: I just swapped this updated monitor out for my old one and now when the video card turns off the monior this monitor flashes full screen colors RED/BLUE/WHITE like a screen saver. How do I turn this off so that it just goes blank? I am connected to DVI-1 port to my NVidia card just like before. Is this something new with Rev A01?
KoBo
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July 31st, 2008 14:00
Thank you for an intelligent reply.
Darthestvader
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July 31st, 2008 14:00
Good deal. When do you think you'll get the monitor by?
martidi
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July 31st, 2008 14:00
VA Washout is described here:
http://monitortest.blogspot.com/
It's gamma and color shift when you view a VA monitor from an angle.
It has nothing to do with uniform brightness and DOES NOT affect white or black background.
It's inherent to the VA technology, but what KoBo simply says is that the 2408 seems to suffer much more from it than other brand using the same panel.
Indeed, based on my own experience it's very variable from one 2408 to another. Some are severly affected, on others it's not a real issue.
Depends also upon your usage and lighting conditions.
Seems to me very difficult to objectively measure it...
Mtlfire
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July 31st, 2008 14:00
Darth: Dell says shipping on the 11th, but we all know that the dates are typically exagerated, I would expect from experience sometime next week.
MontrealFire
Mtlfire
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July 31st, 2008 14:00
Hey Guys,
I've been lurking here for a bit, looking to upgrade my Dimension 8100 for several months now. As discounts expire on the XPS tomorrow, I decided to order one today with the 2408 and role the dice.
I notice on the build sheet that the part number for the 2408 is listed as : 320-6277 whereas the web site (still does) and previous builds showed it as 320-6272.
So 6277 is likely the new part number that Jimmy was talking about.
MontrealFire
KoBo
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July 31st, 2008 14:00
People have posted multiple images of this, and I can post up a photo as, in .CR2 RAW format alongside a .jpg if you'd like that as insurance that it hasn't been tampered with.
Why do you continue to refuse this issue? It's clear for all to see on dark backgrounds. There's no need for measuring it. I run 78:80:82 R:G:B and 55 contrast/46 brightness which fits my room lighting nicely. But none of that matters at all. You can see the washout in dark uniform backgrounds no matter the settings.
I reiterate, you don't have to measure it at all. If you have anything close to normal vision, it's plain to see.
Have you tried looking at dark uniform backgrounds? If you don't see it, I'd like to get the 2408WFP unit you're using, then you can have my obviously defective one.
There really isn't anything to argue in the matter of the issue being there or not. It's only a matter of whether it's up to Dell quality standards or not. That the issue is there is indisputable.
But the more this thread progresses, I have simply drawn the conclusion that the washout is within the limits of what Dell deems acceptable - I have not been told otherwise. Which again leads me to the conclusion that Dell products are cheaply produced rubbish products.
Unless Dell has more to say on this. I think it's futile for me to say anything else and just make sure my experience reaches as many as possible. I won't tolerate being fed these silly replies over and over. It's hard to communicate when it's a one way communication to a wall of obstinate silence and lack of will to acknowledge the issue.
No hard feelings towards you Jimmy, you are just the messenger for a rotten company.
Badd1
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July 31st, 2008 14:00
Ah I see,thanks for clarifying Kobo :) So i guess it's just the usual VA viewing angle / washout issue which you can see on most VA matrices, but on the 2408WFP (your model in particular) it is more apparent than on other screens. I guess it's hard for Dell / Jimmy since this is an issue with the panel technology and hard for them to determine if it is within their standards or not (like has been said above).
I've seen this kind of VA viewing angle "washout", "black crush" or whatever people want to refer to it as on many screens, and it does vary sometimes. Even having the same panel in two different models doesn't guarantee they look exactly the same in this regard. It's possible that the surface treatment and AR coating on the 2408WFP is causing accentuation of the issue, and could also be 'blamed' for the pink / green tinting issues that some users also spot. It's probably a combination of things, but i guess ultimately, it's not something which can be quantified and i doubt Dell could start replacing units because of it. It's the same thing with TN Film, people could exchange units because the viewing angles mean contrast changes across the panel.
I havent read the whole thread, but if you are wanting to return it / get a refund, i'd suggest perhaps following a different reason to warrant an RMA :)
DELL-Jimmy P
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July 31st, 2008 15:00
KoBo
Check you private messages.
KoBo
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July 31st, 2008 16:00
Message received. Reply sent. Thank you.
mike5065
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July 31st, 2008 17:00
thefather
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July 31st, 2008 18:00
hi everyone,
i`m a fresh one, and want to ask jimmy, these two weeks which you mention for new revision are valid only for US or for Word wide, because i live in Europe and i`m wondering when the new ones will pop pop here.
thanks in advance
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July 31st, 2008 19:00
The two weeks are an estimate on how long it will take to reach the distribution centers. Since they are all coming from the same factory I would guess its all areas.KoBo
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July 31st, 2008 21:00
kmetek
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July 31st, 2008 21:00
Jimmy: lower price for EU, i pay 30-40% for same thing like you in USA!
599$ in USA = 599€ in USA but !
1€ = 1.6$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS133
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August 1st, 2008 00:00
All,
I just received my replacement monitor 2 days ago from Dell and it is Rev A01.
Note, that on the shipping box it says 2408WFPb and REV A01 but on the back of the monitor the label still says A00. The sharpness does move by 10 so it is the new firmware.
Question/Problem: I just swapped this updated monitor out for my old one and now when the video card turns off the monior this monitor flashes full screen colors RED/BLUE/WHITE like a screen saver. How do I turn this off so that it just goes blank? I am connected to DVI-1 port to my NVidia card just like before. Is this something new with Rev A01?