@DELL-Jimmy P wrote:
I don't know, I would say most likely but if someone shipped back a load of these unopened(seal not broken) I don't think they would open them to check the firmware.
Well, if they were sealed and unopened, per the description on the outlet site, it wouldn't be labeled as "Refurbished 2408WFP" but rather "Unopened and Sealed 2408WFP"..So Im assuming its refurbished since its listed as such in the title of the product in the checkout. I understand your what you're saying, but if it says refurbished and I buy a refurbished, wouldnt they send me a refurbished and not "unopened and sealed" ?
And this is the quote I'm refearing to:
07-23-2008 06:05 PM
"I have news, as of yesterday all 2408's shipping as refurbished have the new firmware, as of Monday new monitors started coming off the production line with it..."
I ordered a 2408WFP last Sunday online and according to Dell it will be here before 29 Sep. Not bad as the Asia/Pacific distro centre is in Penang and I presume that is where it is coming from. I am just across the ditch from you in Christchurch, New Zealand. Hopefully it will be Rev A01, fingers crossed.
As it is to replace a Philips 201P 21" CRT I will try the side by side lag test with the Philips to see just how noticeable it is against what was a top of the line CRT in it's day. The Philips is running at 1600x1200 at 85Hz. The comparison should be interesting as the Philips is on a DVI to VGA adapter and the 2408 will be DVI to DVI on the secondary port of my ATI X1900 512Mb crossfire. It will aso be interesting to see if Flatout2 works in dual screen mode. That is the fastest game I have in terms of screen motion.
Only problem will be finding desk space for both monitors.
I just recieved a 2408WFP Rev A00 today 9/19/08 shipped from KY. It was a replacemnt for a defective 2407WFP Rev A04 with a power botton problem. The 2408WFP is having some of the issues discussed here and
I'm planning to send it back
What do you think would be the best strategy for me and others to use when talking to Dell to get them to replace the 2408WFP for one with the updated Rev A01 ?
How do you make sharpness adjustments with SoftMCCS? I can't seem to find it. Then again I have A00 firmware..
Far from evident...
Just install and launch SoftMCCS.
In the "Command Interface" section, you've a field "Command-Line Editor".
Here you can type command that will be sent to your monitor.
Basically 01 read a value and 03 set a value.
Sharpness is located at 8C.
So to read the sharpness value, issue: 01 8C
For a sharpness of 50, it should return:
6E 88 02 00 8C 00 FF FF 00 0E 35
00 0E means 50.
To now set the sharpness at 43, issue: 03 8C 00 0D
To now set the sharpness at 37, issue: 03 8C 00 0C
You can check in the OSD.
For me, 43 is the best value with proper RGB colors, Brightness/Contrast settings and ClearType contrast tuned, as already explained. The picture stays sharp and the fonts are clear.
When you also add to this a good color profile (.icm or .icc), the 2408 begin really very good LCD to display text: green/red/purple halos/dots/shadows (whatever you call them) are now limited to what is normally expected when using an LCD monitor with Window and are no longer annoying.
This 2408 really give me a hard time before I get something I liked. But once tuned it's a wonderful monitor...
Sadly, there is no "universal" values... Each 2408 is different, so you need to play a bit with the tools and the values I gave here and experiment them till you get something "perfect" for you ;-)
Wow that's great, it even works on my A00 monitor!
The OSD displays 43, even though the OSD can't set it. Interesting to see that the OSD software is the limiting factor in setting sharpness between 25-50 but the monitor's processor always supported it.
Wow that's great, it even works on my A00 monitor!
The OSD displays 43, even though the OSD can't set it. Interesting to see that the OSD software is the limiting factor in setting sharpness between 25-50 but the monitor's processor always supported it.
So each hex increment is 7%?
Ross..
I only have tested it on A00 as I've no A01, ;-(
Indeed, that's why Dell need to update the firmware: so the micro-code can tell the electronic to set sharpness by steps of 10.
I've not played with the hex value. 43 always worked fine for me.
Thank you for your help again martidi. Strangely after I type in the command, the sharpness changed to 45 instead of the intended 43. Do you know why that happened?
@scimo wrote:
Thank you for your help again martidi. Strangely after I type in the command, the sharpness changed to 45 instead of the intended 43. Do you know why that happened?
Probably you have an A01 with the new firmware.
I read somewhere Sharpness can be changed by steps of 5 with SoftMCSS on A01
Finally received my (Canadian order) monitor, it turns out customer service was wrong. They emailed and said I was getting an A00. Well I received an A01, manufactured in August. Its beautiful.
@iaff905 wrote:
Finally received my (Canadian order) monitor, it turns out customer service was wrong. They emailed and said I was getting an A00. Well I received an A01, manufactured in August. Its beautiful.
Hmmm... So it seems Dell is now lying in REVERSE to us??? LOL! :smileyvery-happy:
Oh well. I really still can't believe the difference between the A00's we had that were made in June and the A01's made in August. It's like a whole new monitor! Although I still am not sure why the color calibrations came out worse than before... Could be the new coating? But it LOOKS better in every way, despite what the delta E numbers say.
Oh, and I said before to someone a long time ago on here that if I were to pick up a monitor, I would have been waiting for the new DoubleSight DS-265W -- turns out it is a pretty big disappointment... Don't go there... Bottom line seems to be, NO ONE makes a GOOD affordable LCDwith the right features for not a lot of cash. It's like no one is even TRYING -- they are just rehashing the same old junk and removing features, while charging MORE... :smileymad:
What clear type tuner are you talking about (1.6 or 1.7) ,cant find it any ware . Are you using XP or vista ?
Is it the power toy for xp ? Do you have a link? If not ill just have to adjust through the registry.
-Thanks BTW, So far this monitor is 1 of the best Ive owned , like i said before, gaming has absolutely no lag , and I'm a hardcore gamer , and builder ,I play cod4 and highest Ive reached FPS was 250 and it took it very well ,thats due to SLI of course , and me uncapping the fps in the game.
tenknics
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September 18th, 2008 20:00
Well, if they were sealed and unopened, per the description on the outlet site, it wouldn't be labeled as "Refurbished 2408WFP" but rather "Unopened and Sealed 2408WFP"..So Im assuming its refurbished since its listed as such in the title of the product in the checkout. I understand your what you're saying, but if it says refurbished and I buy a refurbished, wouldnt they send me a refurbished and not "unopened and sealed" ?
And this is the quote I'm refearing to:
07-23-2008 06:05 PM
"I have news, as of yesterday all 2408's shipping as refurbished have the new firmware, as of Monday new monitors started coming off the production line with it..."
I've been wanthing this monitor for forever...:(
Ross_V
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September 19th, 2008 00:00
scimo: How do you make sharpness adjustments with SoftMCCS? I can't seem to find it. Then again I have A00 firmware..
Ross..
Stadia33
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September 19th, 2008 02:00
I ordered a 2408WFP last Sunday online and according to Dell it will be here before 29 Sep. Not bad as the Asia/Pacific distro centre is in Penang and I presume that is where it is coming from. I am just across the ditch from you in Christchurch, New Zealand. Hopefully it will be Rev A01, fingers crossed.
As it is to replace a Philips 201P 21" CRT I will try the side by side lag test with the Philips to see just how noticeable it is against what was a top of the line CRT in it's day. The Philips is running at 1600x1200 at 85Hz. The comparison should be interesting as the Philips is on a DVI to VGA adapter and the 2408 will be DVI to DVI on the secondary port of my ATI X1900 512Mb crossfire. It will aso be interesting to see if Flatout2 works in dual screen mode. That is the fastest game I have in terms of screen motion.
Only problem will be finding desk space for both monitors.
I am running XP Pro SP3 on an AMD x2 6000.
kram01
6 Posts
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September 19th, 2008 02:00
I just recieved a 2408WFP Rev A00 today 9/19/08 shipped from KY. It was a replacemnt for a defective 2407WFP Rev A04 with a power botton problem. The 2408WFP is having some of the issues discussed here and
I'm planning to send it back
What do you think would be the best strategy for me and others to use when talking to Dell to get them to replace the 2408WFP for one with the updated Rev A01 ?
scimo
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September 19th, 2008 04:00
martidi
144 Posts
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September 19th, 2008 06:00
Far from evident...
Just install and launch SoftMCCS.
In the "Command Interface" section, you've a field "Command-Line Editor".
Here you can type command that will be sent to your monitor.
Basically 01 read a value and 03 set a value.
Sharpness is located at 8C.
So to read the sharpness value, issue: 01 8C
For a sharpness of 50, it should return:
6E 88 02 00 8C 00 FF FF 00 0E 35
00 0E means 50.
To now set the sharpness at 43, issue: 03 8C 00 0D
To now set the sharpness at 37, issue: 03 8C 00 0C
You can check in the OSD.
For me, 43 is the best value with proper RGB colors, Brightness/Contrast settings and ClearType contrast tuned, as already explained. The picture stays sharp and the fonts are clear.
When you also add to this a good color profile (.icm or .icc), the 2408 begin really very good LCD to display text: green/red/purple halos/dots/shadows (whatever you call them) are now limited to what is normally expected when using an LCD monitor with Window and are no longer annoying.
This 2408 really give me a hard time before I get something I liked. But once tuned it's a wonderful monitor...
Sadly, there is no "universal" values... Each 2408 is different, so you need to play a bit with the tools and the values I gave here and experiment them till you get something "perfect" for you ;-)
HTH
Ross_V
5 Posts
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September 19th, 2008 11:00
martidi:
Wow that's great, it even works on my A00 monitor!
The OSD displays 43, even though the OSD can't set it. Interesting to see that the OSD software is the limiting factor in setting sharpness between 25-50 but the monitor's processor always supported it.
So each hex increment is 7%?
Ross..
martidi
144 Posts
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September 19th, 2008 13:00
I only have tested it on A00 as I've no A01, ;-(
Indeed, that's why Dell need to update the firmware: so the micro-code can tell the electronic to set sharpness by steps of 10.
I've not played with the hex value. 43 always worked fine for me.
FYI, I'm also known as Brhume on other forums...
scimo
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September 19th, 2008 15:00
martidi
144 Posts
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September 19th, 2008 15:00
Probably you have an A01 with the new firmware.
I read somewhere Sharpness can be changed by steps of 5 with SoftMCSS on A01
scimo
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September 19th, 2008 16:00
ah that's why...... it's not something bothers me. I just want to find out the reason behind it.
After all the adjustments the text quality is defintely on par with the better monitors. Not the best I've seen, but definitely excellent.
iaff905
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September 20th, 2008 02:00
ShnikeJSB
40 Posts
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September 20th, 2008 05:00
Hmmm... So it seems Dell is now lying in REVERSE to us??? LOL! :smileyvery-happy:
Oh well. I really still can't believe the difference between the A00's we had that were made in June and the A01's made in August. It's like a whole new monitor! Although I still am not sure why the color calibrations came out worse than before... Could be the new coating? But it LOOKS better in every way, despite what the delta E numbers say.
Oh, and I said before to someone a long time ago on here that if I were to pick up a monitor, I would have been waiting for the new DoubleSight DS-265W -- turns out it is a pretty big disappointment... Don't go there... Bottom line seems to be, NO ONE makes a GOOD affordable LCDwith the right features for not a lot of cash. It's like no one is even TRYING -- they are just rehashing the same old junk and removing features, while charging MORE... :smileymad:
Gflyer1
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September 20th, 2008 05:00
What clear type tuner are you talking about (1.6 or 1.7) ,cant find it any ware . Are you using XP or vista ?
Is it the power toy for xp ? Do you have a link? If not ill just have to adjust through the registry.
-Thanks BTW, So far this monitor is 1 of the best Ive owned , like i said before, gaming has absolutely no lag , and I'm a hardcore gamer , and builder ,I play cod4 and highest Ive reached FPS was 250 and it took it very well ,thats due to SLI of course , and me uncapping the fps in the game.
martidi
144 Posts
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September 20th, 2008 06:00
It's indeed the Microsoft ClearType Tuning PowerToy.
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypePowerToy.mspx
Works on XP or Vista (give warning but can be installed).
Really improve fonts reading on the 2408: it's a must have... ;)
HTH