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November 29th, 2012 09:00

Dual Boot of Windows 7 & 8

Just got a new Dell PC with Windows 8 OS.

 For legacy hardware & software reasons I want to do a clean install of Windows 7 PRO so that I can setup a dual boot configuration of Windows 7 & 8.

At startup the system bypasses the Windows 7 DVD and goes to Windows 8 on the HDD.

I’ve changed the Boot setup (F2) in the BIOS so that the 1st boot device is the “internal ODD”, but it still goes to Windows 8.

Under F12 the Boot Mode is set to UEFI, Secure Boot ON. Not sure but I think I need to change the boot mode setting to “Legacy Boot Mode, Secure Boot OFF”. UEFI is a strange new world to me, if I change this configuration is it opening a Pandora’s box of problems?

Any thoughts about setting up a dual boot configuration or should I look into running virtual software like Vmware or Virtual Box.

 Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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November 30th, 2012 12:00

I am currently having difficulty with this.  From what I know :

If you installed Windows in non-UEFI (Legacy) mode then you will only be able to boot to it in Legacy mode.  If you try to boot to it in UEFI mode it will skip the installation and only try ones that were installed via UEFI.  If you use legacy boot you should be able to get into your Windows7.

I have also read that the Windows7 installation media is bugged with UEFI mode and will not work.  I am trying to get around this atm, and have heard that using a USB rather than a DVD might work.

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November 30th, 2012 17:00

You will need to clean install Windows 7 and then Windows 8.

See my wiki A Clean Install of Windows 7.

Also see here:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/archive/2011/05/31/installing-windows-7-on-uefi-based-computer.aspx

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December 1st, 2012 13:00

Today's computers boot order cannot be changed in the bios. You must use either F12 (on windows 7 computers) or PC Settings on the Windows 8 computer. Select Advanced Startup on the PC Settings page. Reboot and you will see the Boot Menu to boot to a dvd.

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December 15th, 2012 06:00

Would you please report back with whether you were able to do this? I have an XPS 8500 with Windows 8 but would also like to dual boot windows 7 because my work VPN does not support Windows 8 yet. I have a separate Windows 7 license for this purpose.

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December 16th, 2012 07:00

Do you have any update on how you might have accomplished this? I am trying to do the same thing on a Win8 machine. I want to install Win7 on a separate partition of my XPS 8500 because my work VPN does not support Win8.  

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December 17th, 2012 03:00

Inside Windows 8 I hit the windows key and searched for advanced start-up option.  I selected it and then when the blue GUI boot screen came up I choose to boot from DVD drive.  After that I just followed the installation process.

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December 17th, 2012 11:00

Hi ed dell,

I haven’t done the Windows 7/8 dual boot setup yet so unfortunately I can’t tell you how well it works. I’ll probably implement it at some point in the future to explore Windows 8 features.

When I ordered my XPS8500 it came with Windows 8 installed and I wanted to go back to Windows 7 for hardware/software legacy purposes. At this point I’ve installed Windows 7 Ultimate and virtual PC with XP mode to support some older software.

If your PC has Windows 8 installed and you want to setup a dual boot configuration you will have to do a clean install first of Windows 7 as outlined by natakuc4 in his tutorial “A Clean Install of Windows 7” and then follow the tutorial done by Brink at
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2344-dual-boot-installation-windows-8-windows-7-vista.html.

If you don’t have them you’ll need to contact Dell first for your Windows 8 install/driver disks at http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dellcare/en/backupcd_form?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&redirect=1

If you have a newer PC that boots uses UEFI instead of standard BIOS you’ll have to disable secure boot as outlined in Step 8 of the tutorial mentioned above, “A Clean Install of Windows 7”.

Hope this helps.

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December 17th, 2012 11:00

I find this whole process to be quite confusing. I have many questions, hopefully you or someone can explain.

* If I were to do a clean install of Windows 7 on the system, wouldn't I lose the 3 Dell backup/restore partitions that Dell has put there for recovery?

* Why is it necessary to do a clean install of Win 7 then re-install Win 8? I am wondering if it is possible to shrink the current installation partition of Windows 8, create a new separate partition to install Windows 7 onto. Then, do a repair/restore on the Windows 8 installation in order to fix/repair the boot menu that Win 7 will apparently alter.

This really seems to be something that used to be so easy to do, but the new Windows 8 secure boot, no OS install discs from Dell, Windows 8 product key now a part of the BIOS, etc. is basically making home computing WAY too difficult. 

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December 18th, 2012 03:00

This really seems to be something that used to be so easy to do, but the new Windows 8 secure boot, no OS install discs from Dell, Windows 8 product key now a part of the BIOS, etc. is basically making home computing WAY too difficult. 

I know and I am working with Dell to make requesting recovery media easier.

If I were to do a clean install of Windows 7 on the system, wouldn't I lose the 3 Dell backup/restore partitions that Dell has put there for recovery?

Installing another OS or changing the partitions in anyway prevents the Dell factory restore from working, so in a way if you are going to dual boot these partitions all become useless.

Why is it necessary to do a clean install of Win 7 then re-install Win 8? I am wondering if it is possible to shrink the current installation partition of Windows 8, create a new separate partition to install Windows 7 onto. Then, do a repair/restore on the Windows 8 installation in order to fix/repair the boot menu that Win 7 will apparently alter.

Give it a try if you want. In my experience dual boots usually work better older system installed first. I haven't tried installing 8 than 7 but I have done 7 then 8. The reason is that the Windows 8 boot menu might not know the Windows 7 OS is present if it is installed after Windows 8.

If it was present before Windows 8 was installed then the Windows 8 boot menu will know an earlier version of Windows is present and should display the following when you power up.

 

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December 19th, 2012 07:00

Thank you so much for your reply. I didn't realize that the Dell recovery partitions would become useless if I install Win7 on a new partition. Would it make more sense to install Win7 on a second/separate disk? That way I could keep the Dell factory image and partitions? Would I still need to do a complete re-sinall of Windows 8 after installing Windows 7 on the separate HDD?

I have a request in to have Dell ship me the media. They sent me an email stating that a supervisor would have to contact me sometime this week. I hate to be impatient, but I want to get my new computer working with my work VPN now, ASAP. I don't see why they just can't send the CD's or call me when they read my email rather than make me wait.

Also, I saw your thread on the recovery CD requests. They haven't said yet if I am going to have to pay for my CD's yet. I see you said in your post that they cost $60 to some people? I really don't want to do this, but if they try and charge me for CD's, this PC will be boxed up and promptly returned to Costco... thankfully I have the Costco customer service policies on my side.

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December 20th, 2012 09:00

Thanks for the reply Philip. I got tired of waiting for Dell to ship the Win 8 OS re-install DVD's. They have been screwing me around with emails back and forth and although I keep sending them my phone number, they instead choose to communicate with me via email.

I will outline what I did to get this configuration working and hopefully this will help someone else who is looking to do the same thing. I first purchased Acronis True Image 2013 and made a complete backup of my HDD, including all hidden partitions. That way if I ever want to revert back to the original installation, or should the install of Win 7 go badly, I can do so very easily.

Second: I shrunk the Win 8 OS partition and created a New Volume of approximately 50 GB. Since the HDD is in GPT format, I had to install Win7 in UEFI mode but I quickly discovered that on my XPS 8500 the Win 7 install DVD would not boot in UEFI/Secure Mode. Therefore, switch to UEFI Mode/Secure Boot OFF. Continue the Win 7 installation onto the new partition.

When completed with the install, each time the system re-booted I was presented with a text based OS chooser (Win 8 or Win 7). I not only wanted to restore Windows 8's boot logic but I wanted to get the blue boot screen with the OS icons. To accomplish this I booted into Windows 8, selected Settings --> Change PC Settings --> General and finally Reinstall Windows. I suppose I could have chosen the 'Refresh and keep my files' but I did a complete re-install.

This gave me a totally functional dual boot system with OS selection screen on startup. Only caveat is it will not work in Secure Boot Mode. I have to leave it in UEFI Mode ON/Secure Boot OFF.

Hope this helps.

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December 22nd, 2012 07:00

Glad to hear it, good job. :)

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February 2nd, 2013 13:00

Hey Roger. Hang in there! You'll get it working...

You have to install Windows 7 using UEFI With Legacy OPROM/Secure Boot OFF. Because it is a GPT partition it will only install in this boot mode (UEFI).

Hope that helps!

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February 2nd, 2013 13:00

how do you install windows 7 in that partition?, when i disabled UEFI/SECURE MODE  it keep telling me "windows cannot be installed to this disk. the selected disk is of the gpt partition style" 

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