but it is slower in games like bf vietnam and other dx9 games compared to the 4200go. Have anyone who uppgraded their 8500 with 9600 pro used 8600´s video bios uppgrade.. Is it safe??
Try 3dMark03 and I think you will see some different results. The 4200Go and the 9600Pro are similar in DX8 performance. DX9 is a different story though. The 9600 Pro will beat the 4200Go in DX9. 3DMark01 is a DX8 benchmark and 3DMark03 is a DX9 benchmark.
Hi
Roykjetil
, Do You Stil Have Your Geforce 4200 Go Or Did You Already Sell It. I Really Need One! The 9600 Pro Isnt As Good As Geforce4 4200 Go When It Comes To DX8 Games. What Scores Did You Get On 3D2001 With Geforce4 4200 Go? I Will Private Message You Later.-Michael
Don't base performance entirely on benchmarks. Performance of different cards can vary from game to game. Honestly, the 9600 is the better card. It makes no sense to downgrade from the 9600 to the 4200 in order to gain a marginal, at best, performance boost. The 9600 is a great card in both dx9 and dx8. The 4200 is on par with the 9600 in dx8, but gets destroyed in dx9 (which is required for all the really pretty effects).
NVIDIA cards are better with AA and AF off. Compare performance of the 9600Pro in a DX9 game, with AA and AF up to a 4200go with AA and AF up. The 4200go will be utterly destroyed. With AA and AF off, in DX8.1 games the 4200go will often beat the M10 (if only marginally), but as mentioned, the M10 is the better card overall.
Roykjetil. If you don´t get it functioning, then reinstall your old 4200go. do the mod, ripper108 proposed and do a volt mod with your 4200go. Thats no problem with this card - it´s a desktop-card and can handle a lot of more volts. With these changes you will be able to play every DX-8 game on the planet...
Thus I reached with 0,2 volts more core voltage a absolutely stable 270 core and with no changes to the memory ~555MHz - then you will reach ~11500 3Dmarks - I think more than enough for games coming this year. The only thing you need is a potentiometer.
Remember - even the DX9-power of the MP9600 won´t be enough for using a directx9-path for a new game only. It will use DX8-pathes, too - to get acceptable frame rates. Therefore it may be that an old 4200 will be faster in such new DX9-games using DX8 only (with some loss of quality) than a real DX9-card like the 9600.
I can send you a tutorial, if you want. I did it with an Inspiron 8200. With two soldered potentiometer you are able to get ~270 / 570 MHz out of your vid card.
I still changed the voltage supply a little bit - thus i get absolutely stable 277 / 572 MHz out of my gogl700. For 1 cycle 3DMurks2001 I even can do it with 290/580 MHz.
With these changes and running my 2,4GHz - CPU at 2,54GHz I get stable 12000 points 3dmark2001. Running the CPU at 2,65GHz (then the FSB is too high for the sound card - rest is functioning) I will get about 12500Pts. 2001-3dmark.
Thats about the same like with the new xps...
You need good soldering experience and you have to do some changes to get the heat away.
@tentonine wrote:
Hi. I've been busy for a while, but I have a little more time available again now. I'm definitely interested in the CPU over-clocking if it does not involve soldering. I could probably make my graphics card run a little quicker anyway if I improve the cooling, but soldering is too risky for me.
OK then, following I have provided a link to a topic where a user reported successfully volt modding his i8200 laptop. I do not recommend this, if you want to do it, do it at your own peril...... this guy is an electrical engineer and knew exactly what he was doing. So here it is:
To overclock the mainboard you have to change the PLL - soldering required! This job is really a little bit risky - it´s a 56pin - TSSOP package - means you need special soldering tools. To remove the old PLL Cypress W320-04 (is to be found under the sheet metal of the fixed optical drive - you can see a part of it if removing the keyboard and the optical drive), you can do it by using hot-air - it´s the best way. To solder the new one, hot-air to heat the whole chip is the best way,too. I myself did it with a little 25W- soldering iron - but then you will need really good soldering experience - and you will need a microscope to the check the result! You have to replace the old PLL with a pin-compatible ICS950812 (I myself did it with an ICS950813, I could not get the other type - it is not exactly pin-compatible).
If finished you can use the tool cpufsb from www.podien.de.
To the gpu: if somebody wants to have detailed information -please give me your email adress - then I will send you a tutorial "how to do". It´s not such a risky job - the smd-parts are big and you don´t need to replace some parts. The only thing you will need is a switch (to make it switchable), two potentiometer and wires...
...and you have to do some changes to get the gpu cooler.
Roykjetil
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April 5th, 2004 20:00
but it is slower in games like bf vietnam and other dx9 games compared to the 4200go. Have anyone who uppgraded their 8500 with 9600 pro used 8600´s video bios uppgrade.. Is it safe??
D. Burger
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Ripper108
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MichaelRFX
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kwest2
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sakor1
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NVIDIA cards are better with AA and AF off. Compare performance of the 9600Pro in a DX9 game, with AA and AF up to a 4200go with AA and AF up. The 4200go will be utterly destroyed. With AA and AF off, in DX8.1 games the 4200go will often beat the M10 (if only marginally), but as mentioned, the M10 is the better card overall.
stu
Roykjetil
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It dosn´t work fine. I get error that says : Resource files missing.... Really anoying me this!!
Stichl_a47f94
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April 6th, 2004 18:00
Roykjetil. If you don´t get it functioning, then reinstall your old 4200go. do the mod, ripper108 proposed and do a volt mod with your 4200go. Thats no problem with this card - it´s a desktop-card and can handle a lot of more volts. With these changes you will be able to play every DX-8 game on the planet...
Thus I reached with 0,2 volts more core voltage a absolutely stable 270 core and with no changes to the memory ~555MHz - then you will reach ~11500 3Dmarks - I think more than enough for games coming this year. The only thing you need is a potentiometer.
Remember - even the DX9-power of the MP9600 won´t be enough for using a directx9-path for a new game only. It will use DX8-pathes, too - to get acceptable frame rates. Therefore it may be that an old 4200 will be faster in such new DX9-games using DX8 only (with some loss of quality) than a real DX9-card like the 9600.
Juergen
Stichl_a47f94
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April 6th, 2004 19:00
Tentonine,
I can send you a tutorial, if you want. I did it with an Inspiron 8200. With two soldered potentiometer you are able to get ~270 / 570 MHz out of your vid card.
I still changed the voltage supply a little bit - thus i get absolutely stable 277 / 572 MHz out of my gogl700. For 1 cycle 3DMurks2001 I even can do it with 290/580 MHz.
With these changes and running my 2,4GHz - CPU at 2,54GHz I get stable 12000 points 3dmark2001. Running the CPU at 2,65GHz (then the FSB is too high for the sound card - rest is functioning) I will get about 12500Pts. 2001-3dmark.
Thats about the same like with the new xps...
You need good soldering experience and you have to do some changes to get the heat away.
Juergen
urantia007
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April 7th, 2004 04:00
That's pretty impressive overclock for the geforce 4 4200go.
did heating get out of hand?
let us know how to do it, also how did you overclock your CPU in the inpiron 8200?
by the way tentonine, Hi! long time no see.
sakor1
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April 7th, 2004 08:00
The CPU overclock would require soldering......
stu
sakor1
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April 7th, 2004 10:00
OK then, following I have provided a link to a topic where a user reported successfully volt modding his i8200 laptop. I do not recommend this, if you want to do it, do it at your own peril...... this guy is an electrical engineer and knew exactly what he was doing. So here it is:
http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=insp_video&message.id=108317&
stu
Stichl_a47f94
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April 7th, 2004 10:00
To overclock the mainboard you have to change the PLL - soldering required! This job is really a little bit risky - it´s a 56pin - TSSOP package - means you need special soldering tools. To remove the old PLL Cypress W320-04 (is to be found under the sheet metal of the fixed optical drive - you can see a part of it if removing the keyboard and the optical drive), you can do it by using hot-air - it´s the best way. To solder the new one, hot-air to heat the whole chip is the best way,too. I myself did it with a little 25W- soldering iron - but then you will need really good soldering experience - and you will need a microscope to the check the result! You have to replace the old PLL with a pin-compatible ICS950812 (I myself did it with an ICS950813, I could not get the other type - it is not exactly pin-compatible).
If finished you can use the tool cpufsb from www.podien.de.
To the gpu: if somebody wants to have detailed information -please give me your email adress - then I will send you a tutorial "how to do". It´s not such a risky job - the smd-parts are big and you don´t need to replace some parts. The only thing you will need is a switch (to make it switchable), two potentiometer and wires...
...and you have to do some changes to get the gpu cooler.
Juergen
urantia007
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April 7th, 2004 10:00
i'm comfortable soldering, and i have a spare laptop to try it out on.
so please do share.