First, review the posts in this thread http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33735849 Other LCD brands are experiencing the same issues and all appear, at least in this thread, to be related to the ATi video card/drivers and how they somehow affect or are affected by the the fact that the LCD is using its DVI connection (DVI seems to be the common thread...these things never occur with the analog connection). ATi is "aware" of this issue and is "working on it" but to what extent is so far unknown.
Second, the issue/problem/whatever seems to affect different monitors differently. With my 1st 2001FP, I had to power off the machine and then cold start it to get the monitor out of its sleep/standby mode. Dell replaced it and with my 2nd 2001FP, simply turning the monitor off and then on cures it. I've read other posts in this and other forums of other work-arounds...using nothing more recent that Cat. 3.7 drivers (didn't work for me), using only the new Cat. 4.4 drivers (didn't work for me either), turning the monitor on after the machine finishes booting (haven't tried it), etc.
Lastly, this issue/problem/whatever does not occur every time you boot up your machine (not on mine anyway...its about 1 in 10) and its really more of a minor annoyance than anything else (it appears to have no effect on the monitor's image quality or performance). More importantly, I've read numerous posts by people who just don't have these things happen and its my guess that the majority of 2001FP owners don't. But, if you have the problem and can't live with it, use the analog connection (a criminal offense with the 2001FP) or return the monitor. Problem is that your next LCD, Dell or otherwise, may do the same thing.
Thanks Tom. I have actually seen that Rage3D thread, though I am not sure why or how I found it. :-)
I plan to leave mine on all the time (hence the need for this thread) and while boot problems would be an annoyance, I might be able to live with them. Might is the key word...
I am clear that the problem is ATI/DVI related, and depends on the FP you get. After paying $800 (shipped - on sale - good price, I know) for the new monitor, I am a little leery about actually getting and using it. :-(
I am also an optimist - and I have an AWESOME removable hard drive backup system that allows me to image the drive before major upgrades. When I encounter problems, it's easy to restore and start over clean.
Here is my plan:
1) Back up the system.
2) Plug the new monitor into wall power, check for bad pixels. Too many, it's going back, period. No need to mess with the install.
3) Assuming it's OK, disable sleep mode in the MONITOR.
4) Install and configure; test with current drivers and cable.
5) If I encounter problems, I will try: a) new cable b) new drivers (I have several rev's of CATs going backwards from 4.4). I'll also post here.
My original question remains ... once I get it working ... what should I do about power management? Leave it on all the time? Let XP or the monitor manage it? Or just turn off the monitor power?
I don't leave my machine on 24/7 but sometimes I'll leave it on for several hours unattended and, when I do, I always turn off the monitor. I read somewhere that its better not to leave LCD's on for extended periods of time b/c there may be some degradation due to the pixels remaining heated. So, my advice would be to turn it off.
I let my 3 month old 2001FP sleep. There have been no problems. I use sleep with all monitors I have control over (includes two 2-year old 1701FPs). Until about a year ago I ran all systems 24/7 and let the monitors sleep. Now I use standby (S3) on all systems except the server. The compelling reason for all of this is power savings.
No not a single bad dot. I am as pleased with the product as dissapponted with the service. Isn't strange that you need to go to NVIDA for downloads to get your brand new equipment to work!!!
Thanks for putting me on the right track. in 30 sec. instead of 5 days...
Have just had my 2001FP delivered but will not get the Pivot function to work. Have down loaded the driver, but still nothing happeneds. Have tried Dells so called support in Sweden but after five days without email answers and 30+ minutes in phone whitout even get to an individual I gave up. Such a shame!!!
When you order a PC and a monitor from the same company,at the same time, you expet it to work - immediately, or?
You said: "Contrary to what some people have said, the monitor cannot enter standby state unless signaled by the PC. If you don't want the monitor to go into standby during a disk defrag (for example), then temporary change the windows power management to always on."
I think I understand what you are saying (thank you) but how could the monitor enter standby during a defrag? According to what you have written, it would have to be signaled by the PC to do so, which, I would think, would be impossible during a defrag.
What controls the sleep - Windows (Power Management Applet in Control Panel) or the monitor itself, or both?
-kj-
Windows (Power Management). The monitor itself only has a configuration which defeats the PC's standby command. Contrary to what some people have said, the monitor cannot enter standby state unless signaled by the PC. If you don't want the monitor to go into standby during a disk defrag (for example), then temporary change the windows power management to always on. Some programs, such as DVD players, prevent power management from kicking in.
The display will go into standby when there has been no user input (mouse motion, click, or keyboard) OR an application forces the display to stay lit (example -- Windows Media player). The fact that some program is running will not keep the monitor out of standby -- think about it -- there's always some program running so how could the monitor ever go into standby? The display itself has no idea what is happening in the computer.
What is true is that you can keep the monitor from entering standby by 1)disabling it in Windows, 2) disabling it in the 2001FP (so standby doesn't turn off the video), 3) occasionally moving the mouse or tapping the shift key.
ortleeb
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April 15th, 2004 02:00
Hi, kj. Nice rig.
First, review the posts in this thread http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33735849 Other LCD brands are experiencing the same issues and all appear, at least in this thread, to be related to the ATi video card/drivers and how they somehow affect or are affected by the the fact that the LCD is using its DVI connection (DVI seems to be the common thread...these things never occur with the analog connection). ATi is "aware" of this issue and is "working on it" but to what extent is so far unknown.
Second, the issue/problem/whatever seems to affect different monitors differently. With my 1st 2001FP, I had to power off the machine and then cold start it to get the monitor out of its sleep/standby mode. Dell replaced it and with my 2nd 2001FP, simply turning the monitor off and then on cures it. I've read other posts in this and other forums of other work-arounds...using nothing more recent that Cat. 3.7 drivers (didn't work for me), using only the new Cat. 4.4 drivers (didn't work for me either), turning the monitor on after the machine finishes booting (haven't tried it), etc.
Lastly, this issue/problem/whatever does not occur every time you boot up your machine (not on mine anyway...its about 1 in 10) and its really more of a minor annoyance than anything else (it appears to have no effect on the monitor's image quality or performance). More importantly, I've read numerous posts by people who just don't have these things happen and its my guess that the majority of 2001FP owners don't. But, if you have the problem and can't live with it, use the analog connection (a criminal offense with the 2001FP) or return the monitor. Problem is that your next LCD, Dell or otherwise, may do the same thing.
Hope this was helpful,
Tom
Message Edited by ortleeb on 04-14-2004 11:12 PM
kjarrett
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April 15th, 2004 10:00
Thanks Tom. I have actually seen that Rage3D thread, though I am not sure why or how I found it. :-)
I plan to leave mine on all the time (hence the need for this thread) and while boot problems would be an annoyance, I might be able to live with them. Might is the key word...
I am clear that the problem is ATI/DVI related, and depends on the FP you get. After paying $800 (shipped - on sale - good price, I know) for the new monitor, I am a little leery about actually getting and using it. :-(
I am also an optimist - and I have an AWESOME removable hard drive backup system that allows me to image the drive before major upgrades. When I encounter problems, it's easy to restore and start over clean.
Here is my plan:
1) Back up the system.
2) Plug the new monitor into wall power, check for bad pixels. Too many, it's going back, period. No need to mess with the install.
3) Assuming it's OK, disable sleep mode in the MONITOR.
4) Install and configure; test with current drivers and cable.
5) If I encounter problems, I will try: a) new cable b) new drivers (I have several rev's of CATs going backwards from 4.4). I'll also post here.
My original question remains ... once I get it working ... what should I do about power management? Leave it on all the time? Let XP or the monitor manage it? Or just turn off the monitor power?
Thanks, kj
ortleeb
575 Posts
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April 15th, 2004 11:00
I don't leave my machine on 24/7 but sometimes I'll leave it on for several hours unattended and, when I do, I always turn off the monitor. I read somewhere that its better not to leave LCD's on for extended periods of time b/c there may be some degradation due to the pixels remaining heated. So, my advice would be to turn it off.
Best of luck with your new monitor,
Tom
kjarrett
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April 15th, 2004 12:00
talmy
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April 15th, 2004 14:00
kjarrett
156 Posts
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April 15th, 2004 15:00
Hi Talmy,
What controls the sleep - Windows (Power Management Applet in Control Panel) or the monitor itself, or both?
-kj-
Upplanda
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April 15th, 2004 17:00
Thanks Kjarrett,
No not a single bad dot. I am as pleased with the product as dissapponted with the service. Isn't strange that you need to go to NVIDA for downloads to get your brand new equipment to work!!!
Thanks for putting me on the right track. in 30 sec. instead of 5 days...
Cheers
Joakim
Upplanda
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April 15th, 2004 17:00
Guys, Please help me.
Have just had my 2001FP delivered but will not get the Pivot function to work. Have down loaded the driver, but still nothing happeneds. Have tried Dells so called support in Sweden but after five days without email answers and 30+ minutes in phone whitout even get to an individual I gave up. Such a shame!!!
When you order a PC and a monitor from the same company,at the same time, you expet it to work - immediately, or?
Any help much appreciated!
Joakim from Sweden
Just had a Dimension 8300 with 2001FP delivered.
kjarrett
156 Posts
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April 15th, 2004 17:00
Joakim, did you try searching the forum? I just searched for
2001FP pivot
and got many hits. Try it!
-kj-
p.s. Any bad pixels on your unit?
kjarrett
156 Posts
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April 15th, 2004 19:00
Talmy, I'm confoosed.
Help!
You said: "Contrary to what some people have said, the monitor cannot enter standby state unless signaled by the PC. If you don't want the monitor to go into standby during a disk defrag (for example), then temporary change the windows power management to always on."
I think I understand what you are saying (thank you) but how could the monitor enter standby during a defrag? According to what you have written, it would have to be signaled by the PC to do so, which, I would think, would be impossible during a defrag.
Thanks, kj
talmy
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April 15th, 2004 19:00
Windows (Power Management). The monitor itself only has a configuration which defeats the PC's standby command. Contrary to what some people have said, the monitor cannot enter standby state unless signaled by the PC. If you don't want the monitor to go into standby during a disk defrag (for example), then temporary change the windows power management to always on. Some programs, such as DVD players, prevent power management from kicking in.
talmy
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April 15th, 2004 20:00
What is true is that you can keep the monitor from entering standby by 1)disabling it in Windows, 2) disabling it in the 2001FP (so standby doesn't turn off the video), 3) occasionally moving the mouse or tapping the shift key.