Dell, If you support video upgrades, there will be an increase in both consumers who purchase from Dell and also an increase in overall satisfaction with regards to a customer's confidence in making the purchase. I know that I personally have been struggling heavily with regards to what system to purchase since video cards evolve just a quickly as other components and are the main contributor to gaming and video editing performance. Even if a purchase is made, the consumer still feels as though it may be a wrong decision. With supported upgrades, the consumer would not have to worry about the upcoming updates to that component as they could easily upgrade by purchasing the component.
Dell, please don't do your customers a disservice by ignoring the growing concern with regards to laptop longevity and performance. Support video upgrades!
I agree with some of what you say, we need to be sensible here, not all of Dells past laptops warrant the upgrade.. some would actually get decreased performance from an M10..
That said however, I'd say all the 5xxx line, and most of the 8xxx (I spose the 8000 is questionable, but don't really know one way or the other) line would have the power to warrent the upgrade..
Certainly the 5100 and 5150 qualify, both are right up there as far as CPU grunt is concerned.
I'd say the 8500 is up there as well and probably the 8200 as well.
I don't know enough to speak of Dells other models, but as long as we are not making unreasonable demands here.
By the same token, the 9600 is not the only chip you can upgrade to, what about the 9200??? for the lower powered laptops, might that not be an option that the CPU could handle??? or more importantly benefit the customer experiance...?
Anyway, as long as we keep it reasonable, I don't see any reason why Dell shouldn't consider it.
so we can't post a link to the petition, nor a link to an article with a link to the petition.
can i post a link to an article about hardware that mentions laptop video card upgrades and dell which links an article about a petition?
Anyway, I'd be in support of any sort of modular standard. I don't want dell to develop it's own custom video module for it's entire line. However, my wishes are unlikely to be met anytime soon.
On another note, what's with all the zelousness toward video cards? A M9600 would be underutilized in all but the most recent laptop lines, and if Dell makes an M96 compatible laptop, you'll be able to upgrade to it in those laptops.
Video upgrades for laptops??? nah,, noones gonna go for that.... :-)
Actually if that petition got this thread started, and a moderater saying that if it shows enough interest it will be passed onto someone that is in a position to actually consider it.. Then the petition so far has been pretty successful..
When I wrote it, I had no idea the mods would consider it solicitation, and you have to admit, It was very carefully worded to be unoffensive to anybody.. (as were the articles linked to it.) in fact in some cases it "blew sunshine up Dells but!" so to speak. :-)
Anyway, Its great that this thread got started, had it been here before, I would not have started the petition in the first place.
All I saw was alot of people wanting upgrades, and no body doing anything to make anybody aware of it other then unconsolidated postings.. So I did the only thing that was in my power to do, namely I tried to get all the feedback in one place.. so it could be collected and submitted.
So, by now you've probably worked out that I am in favour of Dell offering us some upgradable ATI magic for our laptops...
With an M10 128mb behind it, the 5150 would be a serious powerhouse desknote (particularly mine as I'm about to add the 7200rpm IBM drive to the mix).
I never wanted the 8600 because I have no real interest in the extra mobility.. the 5150 was perfect for me (vid card aside) because I wasn't paying for legacy ports I dont want, and it has excellent CPU/RAM grunt.. and a fantastic 1600x1200 screen...
best of all, it was at a reasonable price.
Give it a 9600 and Dell will have a winner..
Heck, I don't even care if they release a 5200 with the 3.2mhz HT processor and an ATI9600, as long as the 9600 is sold by dell spares and will fit in the 5150. :-)
yes, i would definitely want a 9600 card in my Inspiron 8500. Although not explicitly promised, the "upgradable" video card in the 8500 was one reason of the main reasons I got the 8500!
I have to agree, this is really nice to give us a chance to be heard and also be supported by a mod cause he started it.
I also spend lots of money on my i8200 and still do. Recently added new CPU and HD so the only thing that is really missing is a kick axx GFX card like the Rad9600 go to play HL2 on my laptop.
Although I am pretty sure the heat mangement of the i8200 is not made for such a card cause when gaming I am pretty sure it will produce lots of heat.
But it really is my dream to add such a card to get DX9 in my laptop or at least get something way faster then the Rad9000 I currently have.
So now DELL it is you to act. Come on DELL officials give yourself a kick and do it. I think this will give you an incredible reputation boost with all the notebook freaks ;-)
I totally disagree that linking to an external petition is contrary to rule 3 of the terms of service for this forum. The petition has absolutely no commercial dimension whatsoever. It is of course Dell's forum to do with as it pleases, but misinformation like this is pretty stupid.
The whippings will continue until moral improves!!
Message Edited by caboosemoose on 10-17-2003 07:12 PM
Modern GPUs are getting old very quick and replacing the whole computer just because you cannot upgrade one little and relatively inexpensive, compaing to the whole new system, part is ridiculos. To be honest I wasn't even aware of such restriction of Dell systems when I bought my Inspiron, otherwise I'd go with Area-51 or Sager perhaps.
Still hoping to replace my 4200Go with something DX9 based down the road.
Well, I hope you realise that Sager notebooks do not have upgradeable video - the video is integrated on the mobo and requires the entire mobo to be exchanged for around $500. As for the Alienware, yes it is fully upgradeable (although for how long we dont know) but it's so expensive in the first place you'd probably be better off buying two cheaper notebooks in a row.
Anyway, all this is an argument for Dell to make upcoming notebooks upgradeable, not for selling cards for out of production notebooks unfortunately although with the heavy handed way the new moderator is behaving on this issue, it may call for action!! ;)
If Dell did allow upgradable video cards for their machines, they would definately win over more customers, and have a stronger customer loyalty.
People would choose Dell over the other major brands becuase Dell would be the first major brand to do so. Perhaps pointing this out to someone in Marketing at Dell, or someone that can pass this idea on to someone that could make it a reality.
Dell would still make money with the upgradable components. The components have to be bought from Dell (regarding a video card).
If someone just brought this idea to the attention of upper management, perhaps a bonus or pomotion would arise?
Well, I hope that the right person at Dell reads this, and isn't afraid to bring this request to management. Accepting the fact that people would like the availability to upgrade would be great! By being the first to do this Dell would set a new standard and maintain a strong hold on the number one spot in the Industry.
The day will come when upgrading a video card is possible in a notebook, but that will be widespread among the competitors as well. Why not be ahead of the competition? Being ahead of the competition will strengthen Dell's value to its investors as well as the employees.
Just some thoughts on this subject, but it is up to the people at Dell to make the decision.
PLEASE DELL, i beg you, work with us, and allow for your costomers to upgrade thier video cards. i know that allowing us to upgrade our video cards will keep us from buying completely new laptops, to keep up with outdating, but i dont have 3k to spend on a laptop every 6 months. heck, it takes Dell that long to put out a BIOS that even starts to run new models smoothly.
again, please work with your costomers on this issues
-D
Message Edited by DeaconSIx on 10-18-2003 12:32 PM
Modern GPUs are getting old very quick and replacing the whole computer just because you cannot upgrade one little and relatively inexpensive, compaing to the whole new system, part is ridiculos. To be honest I wasn't even aware of such restriction of Dell systems when I bought my Inspiron, otherwise I'd go with Area-51 or Sager perhaps.
Still hoping to replace my 4200Go with something DX9 based down the road.
kwest2
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October 17th, 2003 21:00
Dell, If you support video upgrades, there will be an increase in both consumers who purchase from Dell and also an increase in overall satisfaction with regards to a customer's confidence in making the purchase. I know that I personally have been struggling heavily with regards to what system to purchase since video cards evolve just a quickly as other components and are the main contributor to gaming and video editing performance. Even if a purchase is made, the consumer still feels as though it may be a wrong decision. With supported upgrades, the consumer would not have to worry about the upcoming updates to that component as they could easily upgrade by purchasing the component.
Dell, please don't do your customers a disservice by ignoring the growing concern with regards to laptop longevity and performance. Support video upgrades!
Respectfully,
Kellen West
Nerdtalker
276 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
An M9600 card that fits in the 8500 is all I want...
Frankieh
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
I agree with some of what you say, we need to be sensible here, not all of Dells past laptops warrant the upgrade.. some would actually get decreased performance from an M10..
That said however, I'd say all the 5xxx line, and most of the 8xxx (I spose the 8000 is questionable, but don't really know one way or the other) line would have the power to warrent the upgrade..
Certainly the 5100 and 5150 qualify, both are right up there as far as CPU grunt is concerned.
I'd say the 8500 is up there as well and probably the 8200 as well.
I don't know enough to speak of Dells other models, but as long as we are not making unreasonable demands here.
By the same token, the 9600 is not the only chip you can upgrade to, what about the 9200??? for the lower powered laptops, might that not be an option that the CPU could handle??? or more importantly benefit the customer experiance...?
Anyway, as long as we keep it reasonable, I don't see any reason why Dell shouldn't consider it.
rgds
Franki
rodal
69 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
I would like to see upgradeable video cards too!
How about an M10 upgrade for the 600m, even if I had to send the laptop to Dell for the new mobo with M10 video card.
Message Edited by rodal on 10-17-2003 04:26 PM
ryri
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
so we can't post a link to the petition, nor a link to an article with a link to the petition.
can i post a link to an article about hardware that mentions laptop video card upgrades and dell which links an article about a petition?
Anyway, I'd be in support of any sort of modular standard. I don't want dell to develop it's own custom video module for it's entire line. However, my wishes are unlikely to be met anytime soon.
On another note, what's with all the zelousness toward video cards? A M9600 would be underutilized in all but the most recent laptop lines, and if Dell makes an M96 compatible laptop, you'll be able to upgrade to it in those laptops.
Frankieh
219 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
Actually if that petition got this thread started, and a moderater saying that if it shows enough interest it will be passed onto someone that is in a position to actually consider it.. Then the petition so far has been pretty successful..
When I wrote it, I had no idea the mods would consider it solicitation, and you have to admit, It was very carefully worded to be unoffensive to anybody.. (as were the articles linked to it.) in fact in some cases it "blew sunshine up Dells but!" so to speak. :-)
Anyway, Its great that this thread got started, had it been here before, I would not have started the petition in the first place.
All I saw was alot of people wanting upgrades, and no body doing anything to make anybody aware of it other then unconsolidated postings.. So I did the only thing that was in my power to do, namely I tried to get all the feedback in one place.. so it could be collected and submitted.
So, by now you've probably worked out that I am in favour of Dell offering us some upgradable ATI magic for our laptops...
With an M10 128mb behind it, the 5150 would be a serious powerhouse desknote (particularly mine as I'm about to add the 7200rpm IBM drive to the mix).
I never wanted the 8600 because I have no real interest in the extra mobility.. the 5150 was perfect for me (vid card aside) because I wasn't paying for legacy ports I dont want, and it has excellent CPU/RAM grunt.. and a fantastic 1600x1200 screen...
best of all, it was at a reasonable price.
Give it a 9600 and Dell will have a winner..
Heck, I don't even care if they release a 5200 with the 3.2mhz HT processor and an ATI9600, as long as the 9600 is sold by dell spares and will fit in the 5150. :-)
rgds
Franki
fe2
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
TSC_Busami
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
starsheep
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October 17th, 2003 22:00
I also spend lots of money on my i8200 and still do. Recently added new CPU and HD so the only thing that is really missing is a kick axx GFX card like the Rad9600 go to play HL2 on my laptop.
Although I am pretty sure the heat mangement of the i8200 is not made for such a card cause when gaming I am pretty sure it will produce lots of heat.
But it really is my dream to add such a card to get DX9 in my laptop or at least get something way faster then the Rad9000 I currently have.
So now DELL it is you to act. Come on DELL officials give yourself a kick and do it. I think this will give you an incredible reputation boost with all the notebook freaks ;-)
Cu
StarSheep
caboosemoose
240 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 23:00
I totally disagree that linking to an external petition is contrary to rule 3 of the terms of service for this forum. The petition has absolutely no commercial dimension whatsoever. It is of course Dell's forum to do with as it pleases, but misinformation like this is pretty stupid.
The whippings will continue until moral improves!!
Message Edited by caboosemoose on 10-17-2003 07:12 PM
caboosemoose
240 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 23:00
Well, I hope you realise that Sager notebooks do not have upgradeable video - the video is integrated on the mobo and requires the entire mobo to be exchanged for around $500. As for the Alienware, yes it is fully upgradeable (although for how long we dont know) but it's so expensive in the first place you'd probably be better off buying two cheaper notebooks in a row.
Anyway, all this is an argument for Dell to make upcoming notebooks upgradeable, not for selling cards for out of production notebooks unfortunately although with the heavy handed way the new moderator is behaving on this issue, it may call for action!! ;)
ArchStudent
25 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 23:00
If Dell did allow upgradable video cards for their machines, they would definately win over more customers, and have a stronger customer loyalty.
People would choose Dell over the other major brands becuase Dell would be the first major brand to do so. Perhaps pointing this out to someone in Marketing at Dell, or someone that can pass this idea on to someone that could make it a reality.
Dell would still make money with the upgradable components. The components have to be bought from Dell (regarding a video card).
If someone just brought this idea to the attention of upper management, perhaps a bonus or pomotion would arise?
Well, I hope that the right person at Dell reads this, and isn't afraid to bring this request to management. Accepting the fact that people would like the availability to upgrade would be great! By being the first to do this Dell would set a new standard and maintain a strong hold on the number one spot in the Industry.
The day will come when upgrading a video card is possible in a notebook, but that will be widespread among the competitors as well. Why not be ahead of the competition? Being ahead of the competition will strengthen Dell's value to its investors as well as the employees.
Just some thoughts on this subject, but it is up to the people at Dell to make the decision.
Firtol88
189 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 23:00
I'm not even asking for an upgrade option for my 8100 just my D800, I'd also like to buy an identical or nearly identical laptop with an ATI m9600pro.
I need two laptops for some of the development work I do, it would be great if they were the same.
DeaconSIx
25 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 23:00
PLEASE DELL, i beg you, work with us, and allow for your costomers to upgrade thier video cards. i know that allowing us to upgrade our video cards will keep us from buying completely new laptops, to keep up with outdating, but i dont have 3k to spend on a laptop every 6 months. heck, it takes Dell that long to put out a BIOS that even starts to run new models smoothly.
again, please work with your costomers on this issues
-D
Message Edited by DeaconSIx on 10-18-2003 12:32 PM
Andrew WOT
194 Posts
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October 17th, 2003 23:00
Please, please, please.
Modern GPUs are getting old very quick and replacing the whole computer just because you cannot upgrade one little and relatively inexpensive, compaing to the whole new system, part is ridiculos. To be honest I wasn't even aware of such restriction of Dell systems when I bought my Inspiron, otherwise I'd go with Area-51 or Sager perhaps.
Still hoping to replace my 4200Go with something DX9 based down the road.