Okay, since no one is listening (i.e. Dell is busy with X3 Axim and LCD TVs) , here is my wish list again
Desktop replacement Version
17 inch diagonal screen laptop 1920 x 1200 resolution Pentium 4 based 16ms ~ 21ms response time lcd 400:1 or better contrast ratio optional - but nice to have - built in numeric keypad on right side of key board SVideo IN Component Video IN DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, CD/R, CD/RW burner Video card capable of supporting 1920 x 1200 x reasonable frequency x maximum colors Cool and Quiet trackpad with scroll or jog wheel built in firewire 800/400, usb2 [optional] built in bluetooth (nice to have since X3 will) Wired LAN: Ethernet 10/100/1000/ Wireless LAN: 802.11a/g headphone socket in front not back built in compact flash II, SD, MMC reader Harmon Kardon built in speakers above keypad optional - built in mic but far from speakers to minimize feedback external floppy capable of bios updates etc. built in strong pull-out handle on side (or attachable handle similar to a cool after market attachment for apple) bundle it with the 400 MHz - X3 Axim prefereably dark color
Unrelated question - when is the X3 being released?
I can't believe someone actually posted that an Apple PowerBook costs "thousands" more than a Dell laptop. Compare the 15" Powerbook with an 8600 and see the difference. You'll actually find that the Powerbook costs about the same, maybe even LESS than a comparably-equipped 8600.
Now before you yell at me I don't even own a Powerbook - I DO own an Inspiron 8500, though. I'd give anything to trade it in for a Powerbook - I get notebook envy every time my parents whip out their Powerbooks.
Rothgarr, I actually did price out an 8600 and a PowerBook not too long ago, and while I can't remember the exact prices (they'd be in CDN$ anyways), the cost of the PowerBook was 13% more expensive than the Inspiron, with the specs matched... that's probably around $800 - $1,000 CDN. PowerBooks don't cost the same as a Dell laptop (and the difference between an iBook and a lower-end Inspiron was even greater).
I like the way that the PowerBooks look, but not enough to drop an extra $800 on an already expensive notebook purchase to get one! (And then there's the issue of having to learn a new OS, and new software, which I'm not interested in doing, but that's another issue).
Edited: I actually found the post (on another board, in May 2003) where I priced them out:
To be more specific, I priced out a 15" PowerBook vs. a Dell Inspiron 8500, and its specs were as close as I could get - I didn't exaggerate anything. My price points came out as $4,238 for the PowerBook and $3,318 for the Inspiron (CDN, before taxes). I priced out the PowerBook first, and then kitted out a Dell to match. The only thing that I wasn't sure of was whether the PowerBook comes with Office-type software, or whether you have to order it separately, so I got the minimum Office software on the Dell, which was just a word processor, spreadsheet, and personal finance program. I used Dell Canada's "Home and Home Office" section, although the prices are sometimes better if you order through their "Small Business" section. [The 8500] has quite similar features [to the PowerBook]... Widescreen display, wireless, DVD+RW, etc. (For the record, I don't have an 8500... I have a much older, much less impressive 8100, but it's good enough for me). I find the price difference between the Apple and the Dell to be significant.
Message Edited by spiked_martini on 10-03-2003 11:12 AM
All of them are doing the resolution wrong. Dell needs to build the 17 inch similar to the 8500/8600 WUXGA 1920x1200
Here is the updated wishlist
Desktop replacement Version...
17 inch diagonal screen laptop 1920 x 1200 resolution Pentium 4, 3 GHz+ based 800 FSB like in laptop from www.Alienware.com 16ms ~ 21ms response time lcd 400:1 or better contrast ratio optional - but nice to have - built in numeric keypad on right side of key board SVideo IN Component Video IN DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, CD/R, CD/RW burner Video card capable of supporting 1920 x 1200 x reasonable frequency x maximum colors Cool and Quiet trackpad with scroll or jog wheel built in firewire 800/400, usb2 [optional] built in bluetooth (nice to have since X3 will) Wired LAN: Ethernet 10/100/1000/ Wireless LAN: 802.11a/b/g headphone socket in front not back built in compact flash II, SD, MMC reader Harmon Kardon built in speakers above keypad optional - built in mic but far from speakers to minimize feedback external floppy capable of bios updates etc. built in strong pull-out handle on side (or attachable handle similar to a cool after market attachment for apple) [optional] include 400 MHz - X3 Axim prefereably dark color
Portable version with fewer option... ( A Centrino version limiting to 802.11 b)
@tdogg77 wrote:
the case needs to be made out of flight-grade aluminum. pentium M 3.0ghz w/4mb cache, intel/PRO at 802.11a/b/g, 128 mb graphics, 2 modular bays, 2ghz RAM.
Looks like you won't have to wait on 802.11n for 108Mbps bandwidth. This can be obtained on 802.11g according to this press release: http://presslink.dlink.com/pr/?prid=123
I.e. a 17 inch laptop with 1920x1200 and readable text !!!!
EUROCOM D-870P Mobile Workstation
Description: Incredible Mobile Workstation with 17" mega-wide WUXGA widescreen. Designed to support Intel Prescott Pentium 4 processors with 1MB of cache. Standard 256 MB DDR video powered by ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro and in the future by the ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 FireGL graphics engine. 1 Gig LAN on board.Supports 64-bit wide DDR data channels and RAID fault-tolerance system. 1.3 Mega pixel internal Video Camera. Display: 17-inch WXGA or 17-inch WUXGA widescreen Base Specs: - up to 3.20 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood) or up to 3.60 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott) - up to 2 GB DDR333/400 DRAM with 64-bit wide DDR data channels - 256 MB DDR video with ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro (in the future OpenGL based ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 FireGL) - RAID 0, RAID 1 HDD Fault-Tolerance System - up to 160 GB of HDD space with two physical hard drives (5,400 or 7,200 rpm) - 1 Gigabit LAN; 802.11b WirelessLAN (optional 802.11b/g); optional Bluetooth - standard 1.3 mega pixel Video Camera for Video Conferencing - standard internal 7-in-1 Card Reader exchangeable with optional TV Tuner - standard DVD-I Port for external digital monitors - High performance Sound-Blaster Pro compatible audio system with virtual 6-channel audio output; S/PDIF Digital output(5.1 CH); 4 internal speakers and optional sub-woofer - Optional TV-tuner with one S-Video input jack and one line-in jack for audio input
Description: Incredible Mobile Workstation with 17" mega-wide WUXGA widescreen. Designed to support Intel Prescott Pentium 4 processors with 1MB of cache. Standard 256 MB DDR video powered by ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 and in the future by the ATI Mobility Radeon FireGL graphics engine. 1 Gig LAN on board. Supports 64-bit wide DDR data channels and RAID 0 / RAID 1 fault-tolerance system. 1.3 Mega pixel internal Video Camera. 102-key desktop like keyboard with a separate numeric keypad.
Display: 17-inch WXGA (1440 x 900) or 17-inch WUXGA (1920 x 1200) widescreen Base Specs: - up to 3.20 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood) or up to 3.60 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott) - up to 2 GB DDR333/400 DRAM with 64-bit wide DDR data channels - 256 MB DDR video with ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (in the future OpenGL based ATI Mobility Radeon FireGL) - RAID 0, RAID 1 HDD Fault-Tolerance System - up to 160 GB of HDD space with two physical hard drives (5,400 or 7,200 rpm) - 1 Gigabit LAN; 802.11b WirelessLAN (optional 802.11b/g); optional Bluetooth - standard 1.3 mega pixel Video Camera for Video Conferencing - standard internal 7-in-1 Card Reader exchangeable with optional TV Tuner - standard DVD-I Port for external digital monitors - High performance Sound-Blaster Pro compatible audio system with virtual 6-channel audio output; S/PDIF Digital output(5.1 CH); 4 internal speakers and optional sub-woofer - Optional TV-tuner with one S-Video input jack and one line-in jack for audio input
Well can you think of a better way to keep this thread alive. ;-)
Maybe a Dell Product Manager will read this and Dell will consider building a 1920 x 1280 17" non-centrino laptop with 0.19mm or better pixel pitch, 500:1 contrast ratio? (drooling)
Gateway has a 17.1" but with really bad resolution.
Toshiba's 17" Satellite P25 Series S509 is already on the second generation (S507 being the first)
HP/Compaq has a 17"
Apple has a 17"
Eurocom is coming with a 17"
Sony has a 16.1"
All have done it wrong (resolution and keyboard design)
Dell needs a 17" and needs to do it right (full size keyboard, Non Centrino, HT, and at least 19 mm pixel pitch)
A 17" laptop with the resolution that Toshiba and Gateway are producing is the equivalent of 800x600 resolution on a 21" monitor.
I don't like Dell anymore after the Hitachi desaster. But the day the bring out this:
17" WUXGA P4 3.2 HT ATI M10 / M11 Full size keyboard
that day I gonna order, no matter what.
I can't understand how people can bring out 17" with bad resolutions, nor can I understand how one can design a notebook of the size of the 17" Toshiba and rather have half a mile space on the left and right instead of a full size keyboard.
Porsche911
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October 2nd, 2003 20:00
Okay, since no one is listening (i.e. Dell is busy with X3 Axim and LCD TVs) , here is my wish list again
Desktop replacement Version
17 inch diagonal screen laptop
1920 x 1200 resolution
Pentium 4 based
16ms ~ 21ms response time lcd
400:1 or better contrast ratio
optional - but nice to have - built in numeric keypad on right side of key board
SVideo IN
Component Video IN
DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, CD/R, CD/RW burner
Video card capable of supporting 1920 x 1200 x reasonable frequency x maximum colors
Cool and Quiet
trackpad with scroll or jog wheel
built in firewire 800/400, usb2
[optional] built in bluetooth (nice to have since X3 will)
Wired LAN: Ethernet 10/100/1000/
Wireless LAN: 802.11a/g
headphone socket in front not back
built in compact flash II, SD, MMC reader
Harmon Kardon built in speakers above keypad
optional - built in mic but far from speakers to minimize feedback
external floppy capable of bios updates etc.
built in strong pull-out handle on side (or attachable handle similar to a cool after market attachment for apple)
bundle it with the 400 MHz - X3 Axim
prefereably dark color
Unrelated question - when is the X3 being released?
Porsche911
105 Posts
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October 3rd, 2003 00:00
Rothgarr
31 Posts
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October 3rd, 2003 01:00
I can't believe someone actually posted that an Apple PowerBook costs "thousands" more than a Dell laptop. Compare the 15" Powerbook with an 8600 and see the difference. You'll actually find that the Powerbook costs about the same, maybe even LESS than a comparably-equipped 8600.
Now before you yell at me I don't even own a Powerbook - I DO own an Inspiron 8500, though. I'd give anything to trade it in for a Powerbook - I get notebook envy every time my parents whip out their Powerbooks.
Firtol88
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October 3rd, 2003 06:00
spiked_martini
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October 3rd, 2003 13:00
Rothgarr, I actually did price out an 8600 and a PowerBook not too long ago, and while I can't remember the exact prices (they'd be in CDN$ anyways), the cost of the PowerBook was 13% more expensive than the Inspiron, with the specs matched... that's probably around $800 - $1,000 CDN. PowerBooks don't cost the same as a Dell laptop (and the difference between an iBook and a lower-end Inspiron was even greater).
I like the way that the PowerBooks look, but not enough to drop an extra $800 on an already expensive notebook purchase to get one! (And then there's the issue of having to learn a new OS, and new software, which I'm not interested in doing, but that's another issue).
Edited: I actually found the post (on another board, in May 2003) where I priced them out:
To be more specific, I priced out a 15" PowerBook vs. a Dell Inspiron 8500, and its specs were as close as I could get - I didn't exaggerate anything. My price points came out as $4,238 for the PowerBook and $3,318 for the Inspiron (CDN, before taxes). I priced out the PowerBook first, and then kitted out a Dell to match. The only thing that I wasn't sure of was whether the PowerBook comes with Office-type software, or whether you have to order it separately, so I got the minimum Office software on the Dell, which was just a word processor, spreadsheet, and personal finance program. I used Dell Canada's "Home and Home Office" section, although the prices are sometimes better if you order through their "Small Business" section. [The 8500] has quite similar features [to the PowerBook]... Widescreen display, wireless, DVD+RW, etc. (For the record, I don't have an 8500... I have a much older, much less impressive 8100, but it's good enough for me). I find the price difference between the Apple and the Dell to be significant.
Message Edited by spiked_martini on 10-03-2003 11:12 AM
Porsche911
105 Posts
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October 13th, 2003 22:00
I will continue to ask Dell for a 17" Laptop with 1920x1200 resolution with 0.2 mm of dot pitch
Voodoo PC joins Apple, HP, Compaq and Toshiba with a 17" wide-aspect WXGA active matrix display notebook.
http://www.voodoopc.com/systems/m700.aspx
All of them are doing the resolution wrong. Dell needs to build the 17 inch similar to the 8500/8600 WUXGA 1920x1200
Here is the updated wishlist
Desktop replacement Version...
17 inch diagonal screen laptop
1920 x 1200 resolution
Pentium 4, 3 GHz+ based
800 FSB like in laptop from www.Alienware.com
16ms ~ 21ms response time lcd
400:1 or better contrast ratio
optional - but nice to have - built in numeric keypad on right side of key board
SVideo IN
Component Video IN
DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, CD/R, CD/RW burner
Video card capable of supporting 1920 x 1200 x reasonable frequency x maximum colors
Cool and Quiet
trackpad with scroll or jog wheel
built in firewire 800/400, usb2
[optional] built in bluetooth (nice to have since X3 will)
Wired LAN: Ethernet 10/100/1000/
Wireless LAN: 802.11a/b/g
headphone socket in front not back
built in compact flash II, SD, MMC reader
Harmon Kardon built in speakers above keypad
optional - built in mic but far from speakers to minimize feedback
external floppy capable of bios updates etc.
built in strong pull-out handle on side (or attachable handle similar to a cool after market attachment for apple)
[optional] include 400 MHz - X3 Axim
prefereably dark color
Portable version with fewer option...
( A Centrino version limiting to 802.11 b)
CSmith06
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October 13th, 2003 23:00
It would actually be 108Ghz : P
onetobenl
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October 14th, 2003 09:00
108"Ghz" thats funny...=P
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/networks/0,39020345,2136013,00.htm
somms
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October 14th, 2003 10:00
Looks like you won't have to wait on 802.11n for 108Mbps bandwidth. This can be obtained on 802.11g according to this press release: http://presslink.dlink.com/pr/?prid=123
Message Edited by somms on 10-14-2003 06:26 AM
Porsche911
105 Posts
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December 2nd, 2003 22:00
Okay someone is doing it right !!!
I.e. a 17 inch laptop with 1920x1200 and readable text !!!!
EUROCOM D-870P Mobile Workstation
Description: Incredible Mobile Workstation with 17" mega-wide WUXGA widescreen. Designed to support Intel Prescott Pentium 4 processors with 1MB of cache. Standard 256 MB DDR video powered by ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro and in the future by the ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 FireGL graphics engine. 1 Gig LAN on board.Supports 64-bit wide DDR data channels and RAID fault-tolerance system. 1.3 Mega pixel internal Video Camera.
Display: 17-inch WXGA or 17-inch WUXGA widescreen
Base Specs:
- up to 3.20 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood) or up to 3.60 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott)
- up to 2 GB DDR333/400 DRAM with 64-bit wide DDR data channels
- 256 MB DDR video with ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro (in the future OpenGL based ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 FireGL)
- RAID 0, RAID 1 HDD Fault-Tolerance System
- up to 160 GB of HDD space with two physical hard drives (5,400 or 7,200 rpm)
- 1 Gigabit LAN; 802.11b WirelessLAN (optional 802.11b/g); optional Bluetooth
- standard 1.3 mega pixel Video Camera for Video Conferencing
- standard internal 7-in-1 Card Reader exchangeable with optional TV Tuner
- standard DVD-I Port for external digital monitors
- High performance Sound-Blaster Pro compatible audio system with virtual 6-channel audio output; S/PDIF Digital output(5.1 CH); 4 internal speakers and optional sub-woofer
- Optional TV-tuner with one S-Video input jack and one line-in jack for audio input
Launch Date: January 14, 2004
http://www.eurocom.ca/products/future/future.cfm
Porsche911
105 Posts
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January 6th, 2004 03:00
The launch date for the Eurocom moved to February 2004 !!
EUROCOM D-870P Mobile Workstation
http://www.eurocom.ca/products/future/future.cfm
Description: Incredible Mobile Workstation with 17" mega-wide WUXGA widescreen. Designed to support Intel Prescott Pentium 4 processors with 1MB of cache. Standard 256 MB DDR video powered by ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 and in the future by the ATI Mobility Radeon FireGL graphics engine. 1 Gig LAN on board. Supports 64-bit wide DDR data channels and RAID 0 / RAID 1 fault-tolerance system. 1.3 Mega pixel internal Video Camera. 102-key desktop like keyboard with a separate numeric keypad.
Display: 17-inch WXGA (1440 x 900) or 17-inch WUXGA (1920 x 1200) widescreen
Base Specs:
- up to 3.20 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood) or up to 3.60 GHz Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott)
- up to 2 GB DDR333/400 DRAM with 64-bit wide DDR data channels
- 256 MB DDR video with ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (in the future OpenGL based ATI Mobility Radeon FireGL)
- RAID 0, RAID 1 HDD Fault-Tolerance System
- up to 160 GB of HDD space with two physical hard drives (5,400 or 7,200 rpm)
- 1 Gigabit LAN; 802.11b WirelessLAN (optional 802.11b/g); optional Bluetooth
- standard 1.3 mega pixel Video Camera for Video Conferencing
- standard internal 7-in-1 Card Reader exchangeable with optional TV Tuner
- standard DVD-I Port for external digital monitors
- High performance Sound-Blaster Pro compatible audio system with virtual 6-channel audio output; S/PDIF Digital output(5.1 CH); 4 internal speakers and optional sub-woofer
- Optional TV-tuner with one S-Video input jack and one line-in jack for audio input
Launch Date: February 2004
Porsche911
105 Posts
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January 27th, 2004 04:00
Matt Sargent, an analyst with ARS in La Jolla, California thinks Sony and Dell will follow with a 17" laptop
Old story: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,113029,00.asp
Still waiting for a Dell laptop: 17", 1920x1280, 0.19mm pixel pitch, 3 GHz, non-centrino, 802.11a/g, bluetooth, full size keyboard
Message Edited by Porsche911 on 01-27-2004 09:56 PM
RandyB
518 Posts
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January 27th, 2004 13:00
The reference in that article is nothing more than conjecture and speculation.
Porsche911
105 Posts
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January 30th, 2004 01:00
Yes Randy that is correct.
Well can you think of a better way to keep this thread alive. ;-)
Maybe a Dell Product Manager will read this and Dell will consider building a 1920 x 1280 17" non-centrino laptop with 0.19mm or better pixel pitch, 500:1 contrast ratio? (drooling)
Gateway has a 17.1" but with really bad resolution.
Toshiba's 17" Satellite P25 Series S509 is already on the second generation (S507 being the first)
HP/Compaq has a 17"
Apple has a 17"
Eurocom is coming with a 17"
Sony has a 16.1"
All have done it wrong (resolution and keyboard design)
Dell needs a 17" and needs to do it right (full size keyboard, Non Centrino, HT, and at least 19 mm pixel pitch)
A 17" laptop with the resolution that Toshiba and Gateway are producing is the equivalent of 800x600 resolution on a 21" monitor.
debian75
64 Posts
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January 30th, 2004 11:00
I don't like Dell anymore after the Hitachi desaster. But the day the bring out this:
17" WUXGA
P4 3.2 HT
ATI M10 / M11
Full size keyboard
that day I gonna order, no matter what.
I can't understand how people can bring out 17" with bad resolutions, nor can I understand how one can design a notebook of the size of the 17" Toshiba and rather have half a mile space on the left and right instead of a full size keyboard.