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ricardotrut

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December 27th, 2024 05:03

m16 R1, ongoing performance issues, fix STAPM limit

Hello,

I’m reaching out to share a frustrating issue I’ve been experiencing with my Alienware m16 R1 AMD laptop. Despite being advertised as a high-performance gaming machine, it struggles to maintain acceptable gaming performance, and I believe the root cause is the STAPM limit being enabled.

Symptoms of the Issue:


1. Severe Wattage Drops:

• During gaming or demanding tasks, I’ve noticed that the wattage on the CPU drops to as low as 35W, which drastically reduces performance.


2. CPU Clock Throttling:

• After about 10 minutes of gameplay, when the STAPM limit reaches 100%, the CPU clock speeds drop significantly (to around 800 MHz) and never recover to full boost, even when the processor temperature is at a reasonable 80°C.


3. Underwhelming Gaming Experience:

• Games that should run smoothly on this laptop experience frame rate drops, stuttering, and an overall degraded experience, even on reduced settings.


4. BIOS Concerns:

• My laptop currently has BIOS version 1.15 installed. However, I’ve noticed that Dell has removed BIOS versions 1.13, 1.14, and 1.15 from their website without any clear explanation. This has left me confused and concerned about whether there is a significant problem with version 1.15, as I installed it shortly after it was released.


5. No Effective Fix:

• I’ve tried updating the BIOS, drivers, and firmware, but none of these have resolved the issue. It seems that the problem is tied to the design or configuration of the laptop, particularly with the STAPM limit enabled.

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  • ricardotrut

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    Posted December 27th, 2024 05:16

    Alienware M16 R1 AMD where the APU STAMP triggers power throttling, and the system never recovers. The CPU wattage drops to 35 watts or lower, and the clock speed decreases to 800mhz-1 GHz, making it impossible to play any game or run intensive applications properly.

    Details of the Issue:

    • The problem typically occurs after 15 to 30 minutes of gameplay or when the system is under load.
    • CPU wattage drops to 35 watts or lower, and the clock speed reduces to 1 GHz, causing significant performance degradation.
    • The system doesn’t recover from this state until it is restarted, making it impossible to continue gaming or using resource-heavy applications.
    • I updated to BIOS version 1.15.0 by downloading the support BIOS update directly from the official Dell website, but the issue persists.
    • I am using the original charger, and the laptop is always connected to a power source with proper ventilation during use.

    Troubleshooting Steps I've Tried:

    • Verified that all drivers and firmware are up-to-date using Dell Support and Windows Update.
    • Reinstall Windows
    • Adjusted power profiles in both Windows and the Alienware Command Center.
    • Checked thermal performance, and the CPU temperatures are within acceptable ranges before throttling occurs.
    • Monitored the issue using Task Manager and HWInfo64, confirming the drop in CPU wattage and clock speed.
    • Replicated the issue across various games and different performance profiles with consistent results.

    Steps to Replicate the Issue:

    1. Launch a game (e.g., Apex Legends or another performance-intensive application).
    2. Play for 15 minutes or run a stress test to load the system CPU and GPU combined 
    3. Observe the CPU wattage and clock speed drop in real time as the STAPM limit reached 100% and never drops even if the cpu temperature lowers to 70-80C 

    Let me know if additional details are needed. I can provide screenshots or videos to help with troubleshooting.

    Thank you!

  • Cihan Can

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    Posted January 15th, 2025 11:03

    I have the same problem with my device. I have 1.15 bios right now and the thread about 1.14 which we opened it when 1.14 released is deleted. I wasnt expecting this from a company like dell. For sure something shady is going on.

  • ricardotrut

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    Posted January 15th, 2025 15:23

    @Steven An​ Thanks for your reply. At least I know there are people out there with the same issue. Let's hope this post reaches someone at Dell who can do something about it.

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    Posted January 15th, 2025 15:23

    @end_lesslove2012​ Thanks for your reply. At least I know there are people out there with the same issue. Let's hope this post reaches someone at Dell who can do something about it.

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    Posted January 15th, 2025 15:23

    @Cihan Can​ Thanks for your reply. At least I know there are people out there with the same issue. Let's hope this post reaches someone at Dell who can do something about it.

  • Cihan Can

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    Posted January 16th, 2025 15:34

    Something i think when i face stapm problem is as if dell didnt do anything to set it up and left stapm and system temperature tracking configuration default which ruins this model.

  • Cihan Can

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    Posted January 20th, 2025 18:35

    Today i realized something that if i put my handmade diy cooler underneath the m16 r1 amd model that i have stapm problem disappears to some extent. While cpu power isnt dropping to 32 watts when long game sessions there are some small stuttery moments where cpu drops to 32 watts for like 3-4 seconds and return back to 60-70 watts range. Maybe my device is problematic idk. You may take a look at buying a cooler. Even a cheap one should help.

  • Cihan Can

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    Posted January 21st, 2025 17:44

    BTW Stapm was disabled on my system. Because my mainboard is going to be replaced i decided to do a cmos reset on bios 1.15 and test if system is usable when STAPM is enabled. No not possible constant stutters throttles cpu frequency dropping 500mhz. Things like that constantly when STAPM is default mode. Good thing is when STAPM is disabled all of the problems goes away, system runs like clockwork. If youre having unavoidable problems get your motherboard replaced by one with <1.15. And disable STAPM. I dont think dell would do anything to fix that. Only thing they care is preventing their customers from using their hardware freely. You dont buy a hardware from dell, you just rent it.

  • DSM337

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    Posted January 23rd, 2025 08:54

    I am also facing this issue as outlined above, Dell please give us a way to tune our device that we paid a lot of money for.

    this model has a unlocked and overclockable processor yet we are given ZERO options to do so, Asus and Lenovo laptops with the same processor allow users to access this bios settings. 

    this is simply unacceptable and given the complete denial and ignoring of this issue I will no longer purchase or recommend purchasing any Dell or Alienware laptops in the future. 

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  • Cihan Can

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    Posted January 23rd, 2025 19:04

    @Steven An​ Its caused by bad stapm implementation. Most likely from overconfiguration of variables by dell bios engineers which are known for ruining gaming laptops for decades. When stapm is disabled this laptop is a awesomne device.

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