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August 13th, 2020 14:00

FX2s power supplies

I have a FX2s chassis that currently has two 1600W power supplies running at 120v, which brings their capacity down to 800W, which is real borderline for powering up all four blades - if my main VMWare host has a little too much load on it causing increased power usage, I can't power on my second host, so I was looking to upgrade to the 1100W power supplies, and in my searching it seems that the NTCWP 1100W power supply is compatible with the FX2s chassis, so I ordered two. What was sent was one NTCWP and one GDPF3, which is supposedly equivalent. 

When I installed them in the chassis, it powered up fine and seemed happy, showing 1050W available from each as expected, no warnings or errors, but when I powered on my first FC630, I got:

"A hardware incompatibility is detected between Server in slot 4 and PSU."

Am I missing something? Maybe a firmware update? If these weren't compatible, you'd think the chassis would complain, not the blades. Or are these not actually compatible?

If they are not compatible, does anyone have the proper part numbers for the 1100W and 2400W power supplies, which I haven't been able to dig up?

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August 13th, 2020 20:00

Hi,

 

Could you check the FX2s's CMC firmware and FC630's iDRAC is up to date? You may get error on the if the both firmware are mismatched. Let's get everything on the firmware up to date, and see if it resolves the issue.

 

Let me know if you have any questions.

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August 14th, 2020 07:00

Good morning Subnet,

 

Does the CMC's log have any errors displayed in it, to your knowledge? You should be able to find that from the web UI.

 

I took a look at the part numbers you provided, there doesn't look to be an issue there to me, either. With the reporting saying the issue is between the chassis and the node in slot 4, I'd say the next step would be to acquire logs. If you're able to get into the iDRAC of the FC630 and export a SupportAssist collection, it may be enlightening. However, I'd expect the more actionable information to come from the chassis logs. To acquire those, you'll want to SSH into the CMC and run the following two commands 'racdump' and then 'dumplogs.' 

 

If you're on a Windows workstation, I generally recommend using PuTTY and using it's native option to save output to a text file. This should provide us with a better idea of what the problem is from the chassis' perspective and from the node's perspective.

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August 14th, 2020 07:00

They are all up to date. CMC is at 2.30 and all iDRACs are at 2.75.75.75 (17).

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August 14th, 2020 08:00

Here are the requested logs zipped up: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ouzku89qcwvypkh/FX2Logs.zip?dl=0

I should also note that the 1100W power supplies are not currently installed - I didn't want to chance erratic behavior. I do have a second 'cold standby' chassis I could put them in and pull the same logs from if that would be of more help.

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August 14th, 2020 09:00

Unfortunately, there's not much I can do with these two logs, though I did look at them. I can see that there was an issue previously, but can't provide any constructive recommendations. What I'd need to see is a log that had the questionable power supplies interacting with the node, so that we have the best opportunity of recording the root issue.

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August 14th, 2020 09:00

Ok, I installed the 1100W power supplies in my second chassis and moved an idle compute module over to it and got the same results. Here are the results from that chassis: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g81aatjy5tnma0h/FX2sLogs2.zip?dl=0

Also, here's a SupportAssist bundle from the FC630: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yje5vr00d9yifyq/TSR20200814114912_43M.zip?dl=0

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August 14th, 2020 10:00

Both PSUs are showing up correctly in both the server and chassis logs. However, I did see this entry:

2020-08-14 11:31:12 1617625 HWC4017

A hardware incompatibility is detected between Server in slot 1 and PSUNULL.

 

Are you changing the PSUs out with the chassis live? If so, what I'd recommend (when time permits) is to shut the chassis down, unplug it from power, hold the power button down for 10-30 seconds, then power it back up. I'm not seeing any other issues, so I think there's a fair chance this will clear it up.

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August 14th, 2020 11:00

No, this was from a cold chassis. Installed the power supplies, connected them to power, powered on the chassis, then powered on the FC630.

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August 14th, 2020 13:00

I also just tried starting it up with just the NTCWP power supply installed and got the same mismatch error, so it would seem it's not a mismatch between the two power supplies.

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August 17th, 2020 12:00

Despite this particular chassis being one that hadn't been powered in quite a while before installing the 1100W power supplies, I tried the unplug it and hold the power button trick, and still no good. As soon as the server is powered up, I get the same 'A hardware incompatibility is detected between Server in slot 1 and PSU' message. 

Any other thoughts? Do you have any 'official' part numbers for the power supplies for the FX2s?

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August 17th, 2020 12:00

The part number you have is a good one, and having different PSUs shouldn't be an issue. This might be a bit of a longshot, but if the BIOS is behind on the blade, you might try updating it. That said, if your CMC and iDRAC were already up to date, I imagine your BIOS is, too. 

 

This leads me to believe you must have been sent a bad power supply, especially since we see the behavior in at least 2 chassis.

 

EDIT: For 1100w power supply parts, here are a few samples.

38GYJ, 9TMRF, CMPGM, GDPF3, HT6GX

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August 17th, 2020 14:00

The blade I have in the second chassis for testing is current at 2.11.0, and the first one that I had powered up in my main chassis that started all this is only one revision behind at 2.10.5.

With regards to compatibility, is it (or should it be) essentially if it's a 12th gen or 13th gen power supply (in other words, if it's listed as compatible with R620/R720 or R630/R730 etc), fits in the slot and is 1100W, 1600W, 2000W or 2400W, Dell considers it compatible with the FX2s? 

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August 17th, 2020 15:00

The power supplies are considered chassis components, not server components and I've seen no indication that there would be a PSU compatibility issue. I also checked the chassis documentation and looked for any KB articles to show if this might be an issue, but found nothing to indicate it would be a problem.

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August 27th, 2020 10:00

I would agree that power supplies are, or at least should be, chassis components, and as such, you'd think that if the chassis is happy, everything else will be as well, but I've found something interesting that may explain what's going on.

In looking for info and firmware updates for the power supplies, I found that if I search for the '95HR5' 1600W power supply and look at the firmware updates in the 'Compatible Systems' section, it's all 13th and 14th gen servers. More or less for the 'J5WMG' 2000W power supply, except that shows only 14th gen servers. For the NTCWP, GDPF3 and the 38GYJ, GDPF3 & HT6GX provided earlier, those all come up with 12th gen servers. The CMPGM lists 13th and 14th gen servers and the 9TMRF is 13th gen servers.

So even though, in theory, the servers shouldn't care about the power supplies as long as the chassis is happy, it would seem that they do in fact care very much....

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August 27th, 2020 12:00

Good find. I obviously didn't see this same bit of information.

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