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February 10th, 2010 04:00

Latitude D600 Cannot Turn On

As the title says, my Latitude D600 cannot turn on, whether I use the AC adaptor, or the battery, or even on a D-Docking Station with the AC adaptor. After I press the power-on button, all indicators (nums lock, caps lock, scroll lock and the power-on) go on for 4 seconds and then go off. The screen remains blank.

The is a progressive problem. At the beginning it happened only when I use the main battery to turn it on, but OK when I put it on the docking station. Then it happened on the docking station as well. Then it happened more and more often. But occasionally I can still turn it on either on docking station or with the AC adaptor (off docking station). Finally I just cannot turn it on anyway.

Furthermore, there has been no problem when the system was RESTARTED. It only happens when I press the power-on button to start up the system.

Suppose it was a "No-POST" issue, I did follow the wizard 294844 (Journal ID 10041DFPX4) ( the link is = ), step by step. Then I determined "The system is displaying some other LED code", because I still saw all indicators on for 4 seconds. After that it told me to contact the technical support. As my machine is no in warranty, I wonder if anyone has any meaningful clue before I call them.

Thanks for all replies!

9 Legend

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February 10th, 2010 04:00

If you haven't done so, reseat (remove and reinstall) both memory modules.  If you get nothing, unplug the system, remove the battery and hold the power button for 30 seconds.  Try powering up again.  If the system still won't power up, you have a bad mainboard - replace the system board.

 

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February 10th, 2010 04:00

I slightly modified the description to the problem. Please note the "progressive process".

Thanks for your notice!

9 Legend

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February 10th, 2010 05:00

It sounds like a typical mainboard failure progression - try as I indicated, but it's almost 100% certain the mainboard needs to be replaced.

 

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February 11th, 2010 03:00

I did some reasearch on the internet and found a post on http://www.howtomendit.com/answers.php?id=62343

In that post a guy named Aussie Fred gave a reply. His conclusion is that the solder joints, that connect the line of connector pins to the motherboard solder pads around the power button daughterboard, developed fine cracks. The short term solution is to press or bend the bottom part of the machine so that pressure will press the cracks back. The long term solution would be to re-solder these joints or to change the motherboard. I tried this and it worked for me, this time. I will try it again after I shunt down the machine and start it again next time. But I will not do it now.

If this is the case, that means your are correct that the motherboard has developed faults.

I am attaching the reply of Aussie Fred hereinafter and would like to give my acknowledgement.

"I have had the same problem with my D600 - it needed to be flexed or pressed on the back before the power button would start the machine. This worked for some time, but then did not work any more. I thought then that I would investigate the actual reason for it, and so dismantled the machine. The power pressbutton switch is mounted on a small daughterboard, which in turn is connected to the motherboard via a multipin connector. I used a good lab microscope to examine the very small and fine solder joints which connect the line of connector pins to the motherboard solder pads. I found that many of these solder joints had developed extermely fine fatigue cracks due to relative movement developed between the daughterboard and the motherboard, such that these failty pins were no longer electrically connected to the motherboard. As the fracture in each case was extremely fine (but nonetheless completely separated) downwards pressure on either the power button and /or the back of the case under the connector, would close together the two halves of each broken solder joint, and thus re-establish the connections again, hence the machine would restart. When the pressure is released, the top of each cracked joint would then spring up a micron or two to re-break each faulty connection. As I said, I have proved this fault and directly observed the problem in action, under the microscope.

Now, as the pitch of the connector pins and the pins themselves are so tiny, it is not feasible to resolder the joints with normal soldering gear, which is way too big, meaning that many pins would be soldered together with a blob, rather than being soldered individually and not shorting to each other, as we need to do.

Not having the right type of soldering iron for this task, I actually made one up using my old Weller iron, using a hand-made tip fashioned from a 3mm brass screw with the head cut off, and the other end sharpeded to a very fine (sharp) conical tip. I atteched the brass screw to my iron tip / barrel with many turns of tinned copper wire, which I figured would also be a great conucter of the heat from the normal tip to the very sharp brass tip laced tightly to the side of the old tip. This worked a treat.

I need to say that if you are going to try this, you will need to work under a form of microscope, and you will need to have steady hands so that you don't burn any other parts, and can resolder each pin individually, without blobbing across to other pins. I found that using these tools, it was probably easier that I thought it would be, but you do have to be very careful and precise. I recommend that you do not use solder initially, but simply reheat (reflow) each joint while keeping some pressure on the the other side of the connector body, so that the joints are tending to close when the solder melts, to ensure each joint is individually remade OK.

I found that one of those small metal screwsrivers you can get in a cheap set (the smallest one in the set), can be sharpened up to a very fine point, to serve as a very useful "toothpick" probe. This can be used to gently clear any microscopic debris from beteen the solder joints so that there are no short circuits. If you happen to solder two pins tigether accidentally, you can easily clear the solder by reheating it for a very short time while using the "toothpick" to separate the molten solder again.
The probe can also be used under the microscope to gently probe the top of each joint in turn, to check the quality of your soldering. If the top part moves, relative to the solder pad, then the joint is still not OK (is still cracked), and needs more work. In this way, you can eventually be confident that all joints are solid, and also not shorting out to each other.

Remember - use only the minimum heating time for each joint, as you don't want to damage the motherboard or its solder pads (which might become unbonded with too much heat).

So - there you are. I have done it using this method.

Also, I recommend that you either do this, or get someone to do it for you, soon after you begin having difficulty with the on/off button, and you are having to apply pressure to get the machine to start. Why? Because the pressing fiix, while great, is actually applying more mechainal force to the connector joints, so that more will crack off. The danger is that as more and more force is required, all the pins will crack, and then the top of each joint will move across to short to the next adjacent joint, which could possibly destroy your motherboard.

Using this method, I now have resoldered the connector to its original condition. I have also carefuly adding some hot melt glue to make the connector body more rigidly connected to the motherboard (I did notice under the microscope that the connector body can flex quite a bit in its end mounts). Adding the hot melt prevents this happending, so that the repaired joints will not be fatigued off in future.

I hope that this helps all those with the same problem.

It can be done.

Aussie Fred"

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