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September 16th, 2019 14:00

Dimension 4700 4gb of ddr2 ram but only 3 usable on windows 7 64bit

im having this issue with my old dell dimension 4700 that ive been trying to fix up for a while, its only letting me use 3 of the 4 gbs of ram installed in windows even though it is in fact detecting all 4 gbs and i made sure it was compatible with the motherboard. its running bois revision a10 ( the old one was stuck on a09 then died but i found a new refrebished motherboard from dell with a10 but still same issue) i keep only seeing its a 32 bit thing but im running 64 bit, i have a p4 670 3.8ghz, 4gb of ddr2 512mhz ram (speed may be off) gtx 280 gpu 

i swear when i first got the pc and it had a 2.8ghz p4 and 32 bit win 7 it used all 4 gbs, but i dont know or remember for sure. ive tried a whole lot of online tutorials asked tech savvy friends and looked through the bios to disable onboard gpu (i never found anything) and no luck.

any ideas?

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September 17th, 2019 03:00

The amount of usable memory will be something less than the 4GB in actual use.  More like 3 to 3.5GB depending on the system. Some even less than 3GB.  Is this what you are seeing?  

 

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September 17th, 2019 10:00

INTEL Graphics Steals 256 to 768 megs of ram and you never get this back.  Thats a limitation you cannot overcome.

 

 

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September 17th, 2019 18:00

Around 0.5GB (could be 1GB) is set aside for system operation.  System should detect 4GB and show 3-3.5GB as usable.  Or, is it detecting 3GB and showing something like 2.5GB as usable?

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September 20th, 2019 11:00

Its not just reserving for bios.  At least 256 megs is stolen for INTEL Graphics. Thats on top of the Ram Reserved for BIOS SHADOW. You never EVER get 4.0 gigs useable.  They improved this a tiny bit with the GX620 tower giving you 3.5 gigs total if you add 4 gigs.

You DO NOT get this back when you install a GPU.

 

Thats why it says 4 gigs with 3.25 or less use able.


GX620 and Intel Pentium D 950/960  advantages

It has updated 945 graphics which means it supports windows 7 or 8 or 10.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/REFURBISHED-Optiplex-GX620-Tower-400GB-HDD-4GB-Ram-DVD-Rom-Windows-XP-Professional/803416719



The microprocessor includes Virtualization VT-X
that allows hyper-v virtualized programs.

 
 

I have seen inexpensive Pentium D's on Ebay and Amazon

SL9QQ seems to be the max for a 5150

 

Intel Cpu Pentium D 945 3.4Ghz Fsb800Mhz 2Mbx2 Lga775 Dual Core Tray

Intel - P-D 3.4GHz/4M/800 Dual Core CPU SL9QQ 

 

6 used from $12.00

 

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September 20th, 2019 11:00

its detecting all 4gbs of ram, and it has set aside 1gb for the bois it says

so it says 4.00gb (3.00gb usable)

14 Posts

September 20th, 2019 11:00

yes but its taking a whole gb of ram and reserving it for bois

14 Posts

September 20th, 2019 11:00

4.00 GB (3.00GB Usable)

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September 20th, 2019 13:00

**bleep**, and their is no way to get past it? thats really crummy.

well in that case is their another kind of motherboard that would fit in the dimension 4700 case and will work with the p4 670 and support all 4gbs of ram or more?

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September 20th, 2019 13:00

All do this.  If you had a motherboard that you could install more than 4GB of RAM then you would have more available.  But its a limitation of ALL motherboards (all brands of PC's) that have the 4GB RAM limitation.

You could gain a little bit more memory by using a 32 bit OS instead of 64 bit as the 32 bit does not use as much memory.

The 4700 is all proprietary.  Front panel connections are proprietary and undocumented.  Motherboard mounting holes are non-standard.  All Dell's are proprietary and even another Dell motherboard from a different model will have problems fitting and connecting to the front panel.  The rear motherboard I/O panel is built into the case, etc.  If you wanted to use a different motherboard, such as a standard ATX motherboard, you will also need an ATX case.  

 

 

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September 21st, 2019 09:00

ah ok, guess that is as far as i can take the old girl then

reason i ask is this was my "learing" pc, got it at a yard sale when i was 12 and learned alot about computers from tinkering with it, so i guess it holds a special place to me but im happy with what i was able to do with it now

thanks for the help every one 

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September 21st, 2019 09:00

why not move on.  end of year 2004, it has no value that old, sorry but none, see ebay completed auctions and learn.

buy uses PC 2012 or newer is best.

end the 4Gig limit . during the XP era (long gone)

the manual is clear as day.

"Your computer supports a maximum of 4 GB of memory when you use four 1-GB DIMMs"

this is not a limit, that is DELL invented all PCs cheap then were like that, 32bit XP cheap PCs.

there were in fact some XP64bit PCs then but are very rare... time to move on, for sure.

if the PC go goodwill and they seen it to IRAN... sorry

 

if cash is tight buy a used Dell 3020 and spend $50 no HDD and put in a SSD> 128GB for $20 used.

end the pain of relics.

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