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Dell T3500: RAM issues?
Hello,
I bought a used T3500 and I'm facing some issues, which I believe are linked to RAM. However, I'm a bit lost as what I should do.
The system has 12GB of RAM : 6*2GB
- 4 sticks being MT9KSF25672AZ-1G4D1ZE MICRON 2GB PC3-10600E 1RX8 UNBUFFERED ECC DDR3-1333
- 2 sticks being M391B5773CH0-YH9 SAMSUNG 2GB PC3-10600E 1RX8 UNBUFFERED ECC DDR3-1333
First, it is very random. Sometimes, the system will be stable for weeks without failing. And then, without warning, it can freeze, leaving me no choice but to reboot it.
Then, I see a message like that: "Memory failure detected in DIMM X", where X is never the same. Can be 1, 3... When I see that, if I keep rebooting, the system will work but with 8GB/12, or even 4GB/12 if it failed twice.
What's strange is that if I open the case and move around the sticks, it will work until the next time.
Today, I had something new: 1-3-2 beeps, so "1st 64 K RAM test in progress or failure" as per Dell manual. Same as usual, I moved around the sticks and I'm back.
So what could it be? I listed the potential issues so far:
- Faulty memory (but which ones? they seem to fail randomly and I haven't been able to identify a single faulty stick)
- Faulty motherboard (capacitors seem to be fine but I'm no expert)
- Faulty CMOS battery (I don't know if this could be related)
I'm a bit confused so I appreciate all the hints you can give me :)
Thank you!
Jack
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July 25th, 2018 04:00
Hi Jack,
Due to the extremely intermittent nature of the issue it will be very difficult to pinpoint the root cause.
I doubt very much if it's to do with the CMOS battery but since the system is old and the batteries are cheap I don't see any harm in replacing it anyway.
Do you have access to other compatible memory that you know is good? If so, you could try substituting the existing memory with that.
With the age of the system, if the fault is with the motherboard, it may just be a dry solder joint somewhere rather than something visible like a capacitor. If that's the case the issue may be triggered by something as seemingly trivial as a change in ambient temperature or humidity.
You could try running extended memory tests on the system to see if that will pinpoint a slot or DIMM, but due to the nature of the fault it may not pick anything up:
https://www.memtest86.com/
I would leave the tests running for as long as possible.
let us know how you get on, thanks.
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July 28th, 2018 22:00
Hi Jack,
Most of what you said seems to revolve around memory issues. I'm not overriding anything Alasdair said. It can also be tried - reinstall memory sticks one at a time to check for errors. It's my belief the memory sticks should be an exact match - besides capacity and speed, but also the same manufacturer. New memory sounds like your best bet.
If the CMOS battery is low or dead, you'll get a screen at startup indicating so, then options to go to BIOS, Continue, etc. No harm if you want to replace anyway, but make sure it's longer lasting lithium and not alkaline.
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July 29th, 2018 12:00
Also, those memory chips probably aren't the same age, so some might be worn more than others.
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April 11th, 2020 06:00
I have exact same problem on my t3500.
I can not use more than 2gb RAM. anything else above 2gb is rendered as Hardware Reserved. Bios gives memory failure detected in DIMM "X"
System always runs on 2gb ram.
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January 29th, 2022 11:00
FYI, mine has 18gb ram and runs perfectly. 3x4gb and 3x2gb, but they are installed in matching sets of 3 in the corresponding colored slots.
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January 29th, 2022 13:00
bradthetechnut
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January 29th, 2022 13:00
Hi @Semi-geek,
Tip: If you don't know already, unless doing them hardware upgrades, be sure to hold off on BIOS updates, unless it fixes something, like security updates.
In this forum, we've seen machines brick too easily. This is if things don't go exactly right. Or we've seen machines brick anyway. Sometimes, forced upgrades also cause problems, like fans stuck at high rev.
I've updated BIOS successfully myself, but tend to lean away from it, as do some others for those reasons. Kind of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Good news is I don't think I've ever heard of a T3500 bricking from a BIOS update.
On older machines, such as the T3500, changing the size 2032 CMOS battery can be mentioned if it's 5+ years old. And as you might know, power can't be lost during, or MB will brick.
bradthetechnut
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January 29th, 2022 16:00
No argument about the RAM. I can't speak for some newer systems, but some of the older ones, seemingly dependent upon the generation, could exceed RAM specs.
Some Dell's won't even take 2 brand names mixed.
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