Iam not sure if this relevant but I have an articles from Jim H, eho is a Regular over at Roxio and a beta tester as well, click on the CD/RW link in my post and scroll to Section 8-3, article 12
Best Regards
God, grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do and the eyesight to tell the difference. CD/RW Link
Predator and scoobydooby -- thanks for your responses!
Predator: my problem is with long filenames; the size of the files has not caused any problems so far.
Scoobydooby: the Recordnow software looks like it might solve my problem, since I am only trying to burn CD-Rs. The latest version -- Recordnow MAX 4.5 does not seem to be available anymore; Sonic's website instead offers something called Recordnow! version 7-something, which looks like it is offered by Adaptec. Is that a later iteration of the Recordnow software that you are using? In newgroup postings I have come across the comment that CD burner software based on the Veritas (or Prassi) 'engine' will allow long filenames (using the format ISO level 2 long.) Do you know if Recordnow! stilll uses this engine?
I have SonicRecord Now, version 7.1, which came with my Dell; but I think the latest version is 7.2.
I did update my program with the Prassi engine - it was a free update from the Sonic Support Site (maybe later versions, such as 7.2, already come with the Prassi engine).
Just to let you now, I have only yesterday discovered another (free) option to burn to CD-R; and no problem with long file names.
You can use "windows XP cd writer"; just right click on the file/folder to burn, scroll down to "send to", and choose your CD-R drive. A pop-up balloon will appear on your taskbar - follow the instructions.
Another advantage of "windows XP cd writer" is that (if you need this) it will also burn files with foreign language characters in the file name (which Sonic RecordNow will not do).
My response that Jeff quoted on his site was correct for my "knowledge" at that time… Since then I had some discussions with Roxio and I have to correct some of that.
It is not a "bug" but limitations of the Joliet Standard and present on ALL burning software prior to W2K/XP.
It is not simply a burning software limit but also a limitation of the Operating System in use.
Prior to W2K/XP all OS's use what I call Strict Joliet limits:
Filename – 64 characters max
Pathname – 128 characters (full path + filename)
8 subdirectories max
4gb file length limit
That's it, no workarounds no ways to cheat!
A "relaxed" form of Joliet came with W2K/XP. Roxio incorporated this in V7 although it is not too clear. For Roxio you have to select UDF 102 file system before adding any files to your project. V7 is for W2K/XP only, Win9x/NT need not even try.
The limits are not listed but my experiments looked like this:
My test CD has: 13 sub-directories, 10 character names. One 10 character filename + 3 in each.
Level 13 pathname = 207 character total.
UDF (with or w/o Joliet bridge) readable on XP Home/Pro & W2K.
Note that with Win98SE & NT4, the CD was only readable to the eight sub-directory – 9th sub-dir name was present, but shows as empty. On W2K/XP all directories/files were readable.
(I hope you are impressed, because I am pushing the outer limits of my knowledge just to get this far! There is smoke coming out of one ear and blisters forming on my forehead!)
Since we are talking about Data CD/DVDs and long filenames, we can confine this to UDF and not worry about burning bridges.
UDF is also used for DVD Movies and in packet writing. However do not let the lack of reliability of packet writing scare you off. It is not due to UDF but rather the fact that optical media was never designed to be used like magnetic media.
Lots of good information and much trivia can be found at Andy McFadden's site,
Here. – I just learned today that CD-Rs are burned at about 400 degrees F. whereas RWs can go up to 1300 F.
Scoobydooby and Jim Hardin -- thanks much for the additional information!
It now looks like there are a couple of options for me, besides the current workaround that I mentioned in my original post (above.) Either get RecordNow! (after verfiying that the Prassi engine is still available) or look into upgrading my present Roxio software to version 7. I will check out both of these options.
Jim: in regard to your comments about operating systems, it's interesting that my dimension XPS T500 running W98SE and equiped with the HP 9100 CD-Writer and HP software (derived from Veritas and using a format called "CDFS") appears to have no trouble recording files with long filenames.
Thanks, again, to you both for the help!
TAH
Message Edited by TAH on 11-21-2004 08:09 AM
Message Edited by TAH on 11-21-2004 08:11 AM
Not really… It is not just a matter of software but tied to the OS as well! W9x cannot read or write any optical media that exceed these limits:
Filename – 64 characters max
Pathname – 128 characters (full path + filename)
8 subdirectories max
4gb file length limit
What you are missing is that Windows became verbose in W2K/XP.
In Win9x you started with "C:\My Document", pathname = 14 and 2 subdirectories used.
With XP you are starting with "C:\Documents and Settings\Your Username\My Documents", pathname = 52 and 4 subdirectories used!
Add other descriptive folder names like "\Pictures of Our Wonderful August Vacation to the Grand Bahamas and Nassau\" and you are up to a pathname of 127. You have 1 character left! Use it wisely…
Scoobydooby and Jim Hardin -- thanks much for the additional information!
It now looks like there are a couple of options for me, besides the current workaround that I mentioned in my original post (above.) Either get RecordNow! (after verfiying that the Prassi engine is still available) or look into upgrading my present Roxio software to version 7. I will check out both of these options.
Jim: in regard to your comments about operating systems, it's interesting that my dimension XPS T500 running W98SE and equiped with the HP 9100 CD-Writer and HP software (derived from Veritas and using a format called "CDFS") appears to have no trouble recording files with long filenames.
Long path tool can solve your problem easily. It can delete, copy, move and bulk rename long path files or locked files easily. Try it, It is very useful.
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Hi TAH,
Iam not sure if this relevant but I have an articles from Jim H, eho is a Regular over at Roxio and a beta tester as well, click on the CD/RW link in my post and scroll to Section 8-3, article 12
Best Regards
God, grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway,
the good fortune to run into the ones I do and the eyesight to tell the
difference.
CD/RW Link
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November 18th, 2004 03:00
I don't know if this will be helpful, but I have the same problem burning files with long filenames using Sonic RecordNow .
In the advanced options, I found the "FILE SYSTEM" setting, with an option "ISO Level 2 (212 character file names)" - which I chose.
Although I can now burn files with long file names to CD-R, I still can't to DVD+R/RW.
TAH
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November 19th, 2004 08:00
Predator and scoobydooby -- thanks for your responses!
Predator: my problem is with long filenames; the size of the files has not caused any problems so far.
Scoobydooby: the Recordnow software looks like it might solve my problem, since I am only trying to burn CD-Rs. The latest version -- Recordnow MAX 4.5 does not seem to be available anymore; Sonic's website instead offers something called Recordnow! version 7-something, which looks like it is offered by Adaptec. Is that a later iteration of the Recordnow software that you are using? In newgroup postings I have come across the comment that CD burner software based on the Veritas (or Prassi) 'engine' will allow long filenames (using the format ISO level 2 long.) Do you know if Recordnow! stilll uses this engine?
Thanks, again, to both of you for your help!
TAH
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November 19th, 2004 19:00
I have SonicRecord Now, version 7.1, which came with my Dell; but I think the latest version is 7.2.
I did update my program with the Prassi engine - it was a free update from the Sonic Support Site (maybe later versions, such as 7.2, already come with the Prassi engine).
Just to let you now, I have only yesterday discovered another (free) option to burn to CD-R; and no problem with long file names.
You can use "windows XP cd writer"; just right click on the file/folder to burn, scroll down to "send to", and choose your CD-R drive. A pop-up balloon will appear on your taskbar - follow the instructions.
Another advantage of "windows XP cd writer" is that (if you need this) it will also burn files with foreign language characters in the file name (which Sonic RecordNow will not do).
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Jim Hardin
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It is not a "bug" but limitations of the Joliet Standard and present on ALL burning software prior to W2K/XP.
It is not simply a burning software limit but also a limitation of the Operating System in use.
Prior to W2K/XP all OS's use what I call Strict Joliet limits:
Filename – 64 characters max
Pathname – 128 characters (full path + filename)
8 subdirectories max
4gb file length limit
That's it, no workarounds no ways to cheat!
A "relaxed" form of Joliet came with W2K/XP. Roxio incorporated this in V7 although it is not too clear. For Roxio you have to select UDF 102 file system before adding any files to your project. V7 is for W2K/XP only, Win9x/NT need not even try.
The limits are not listed but my experiments looked like this:
My test CD has: 13 sub-directories, 10 character names. One 10 character filename + 3 in each.
Level 13 pathname = 207 character total.
UDF (with or w/o Joliet bridge) readable on XP Home/Pro & W2K.
Note that with Win98SE & NT4, the CD was only readable to the eight sub-directory – 9th sub-dir name was present, but shows as empty. On W2K/XP all directories/files were readable.
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November 20th, 2004 17:00
UDF is 'the other white meat'.
File Systems for Optical media are:
ISO9660
Joliet
UDF (Universal Data Format) v1.02, v1.5 & v2.0
w/o Bridge
w/Joliet Bridge
w/ISO9660 Bridge
(I hope you are impressed, because I am pushing the outer limits of my knowledge just to get this far! There is smoke coming out of one ear and blisters forming on my forehead!)
Since we are talking about Data CD/DVDs and long filenames, we can confine this to UDF and not worry about burning bridges.
UDF is also used for DVD Movies and in packet writing. However do not let the lack of reliability of packet writing scare you off. It is not due to UDF but rather the fact that optical media was never designed to be used like magnetic media.
Lots of good information and much trivia can be found at Andy McFadden's site, Here. – I just learned today that CD-Rs are burned at about 400 degrees F. whereas RWs can go up to 1300 F.
Jim Hardin
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November 21st, 2004 11:00
Not really… It is not just a matter of software but tied to the OS as well! W9x cannot read or write any optical media that exceed these limits:
Filename – 64 characters max
Pathname – 128 characters (full path + filename)
8 subdirectories max
4gb file length limit
What you are missing is that Windows became verbose in W2K/XP.
In Win9x you started with "C:\My Document", pathname = 14 and 2 subdirectories used.
With XP you are starting with "C:\Documents and Settings\Your Username\My Documents", pathname = 52 and 4 subdirectories used!
Add other descriptive folder names like "\Pictures of Our Wonderful August Vacation to the Grand Bahamas and Nassau\" and you are up to a pathname of 127. You have 1 character left! Use it wisely…
TAH
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November 21st, 2004 11:00
Message Edited by TAH on 11-21-2004 08:09 AM
Message Edited by TAH on 11-21-2004 08:11 AM
Juan_Miller
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June 30th, 2020 08:00
Long path tool can solve your problem easily. It can delete, copy, move and bulk rename long path files or locked files easily. Try it, It is very useful.