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April 11th, 2006 11:00

dimension 5150 has no "0" raid option??

Hello, I recently installed a second harddrive to set up raid 0 in my 5150. however, to my surprise, the 5150 only gives you raid 1 option. how can i change or upgrade my cpu so i can setup raid 0?
 
Help!  email rdavila@bellsouth.net
 
thanks,
 
rraallpphh13

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April 11th, 2006 13:00

thanks Brainy, it seems like a solution. i will be trying it out tonight. if it works, i'll let you know.

nice research on yr part :)

anyone else with an idea? or done this to a 5150/e510?  add raid 0 configuration?

I also wonder if dell does this on purpose to force you to buy a more expensive cpu with

 raid 0 built in ?

rraallpphh13

 

 

 

April 11th, 2006 13:00

I want to do the same thing on my E510.  I found this document:

You're going to have to reinstall Windows XP from scratch, setting up the RAID 0 first from floppy.  I don't see any reason it couldn't be done on an E510 or a 5150, but I'm a little leery because this seems like a lot of work (including installing a floppy drive for me) just to find out it doesn't work.

Has anyone actually done this on an E510, 5100 or 5150?

 

April 11th, 2006 15:00

I don't think your controller will support Raid 0.

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim5150/sm/specs0.htm

The other link provided in the post above for the floppy most likely is not the correct driver for your machine.

If you have a Windows Boot disk from Dell it will install the proper driver, same as if you were to F6 from a floppy.

Message Edited by not a genius on 04-11-200603:57 PM

April 12th, 2006 11:00

I thought perhaps Dell wanted to artificially limit the 510's capabilities.  After all, my CPU is on Intel's compatibility list for the Intel Matrix Storage Manager.  But when I downloaded a new Storage Manager from the dell support site and tried to install it, it said the hardware wasn't supported.  The version that's installed on my machine only allows RAID 1.  I still suspect the capabilities are being artificially limited, but I need this machine and can't afford to experiment.
 
Given the advice from anandtech, whose benchmarks seemed to indicate Intel's built in RAID 0 does not help performance, I decided to back off.  But then I thought, what the heck, I'll go ahead and use RAID 1, I've got two 250 GB disks, I can always break the RAID set later if I need the space.  Problem is, when you turn RAID on and do the Ctrl-I at startup, it warns you that turning on RAID 1 will erase all data on the disks.  I don't understand why that's necessary, shouldn't it just make a copy of the primary on the secondary?  So I said forget that, I don't need to reinstall everything and download a whole bunch of updates again.  Especially when you can get at least some benefit from splitting files across the disks.  I put my swap file and temporary internet files on the second disk.
 
If I ever have to reinstall, I'm going to buy a RAID controller card. But I tell you, I'm really wishing I'd spent a couple extra bucks and got an XPS.  I thought I'd get the 510 and upgrade it myself to make an awesome gaming machine, but there are too many limitations.  If I get a PCIe x1 RAID controller, I'll officially be out of expansion slots.  And I'm not sure I really saved anything now that I've pumped up my machine (2.5 GB memory, GeForce 6800 video card, XFi Extreme Music card, two WD 250 GB disks, Sony Dual-layer DVD writer).

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April 12th, 2006 13:00

You are correct,  5150/e510 mother board/ chipset is only good for Raid 1 setup. Not a surprise from dell's marketing stand point.  Long story made short, no, the 5150/e510 can not be set up for raid 0.

I will think twice next time before buying another dell.......

 

April 13th, 2006 01:00

Brainy Smurf,

Dell is not artificially limiting anything.
If you do switch to raid the Intel Matrix Storage Manager is what allows that. And it will run.

If you read up on your chipset on Intel's website you will see that there a number of controllers that were/are availiable for yours, and you will also find not all support raid 0.

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April 18th, 2006 10:00

hello, if you have n't received yr dell, just refuse the shipment when UPS arrives, and dell will credit yr account. if you are looking to set up a RAID  0, i would order an XPS 400 or go to dell outlet and order a dell 8400(9150,9100). this cpu is an awsome computer for RAID 0. I have one, which equivilent to and xps 400 of today.  if you can avoid using a RAID CARD, I WOULD....

I bought a 5150 for my sister, and it's a good entry level Computer, but not for gaming at RAID 0.

It will allow you to setup RAID 1, which is basically copying the first harddrive, and may slow down

your system.  just refuse the shipment and reorder a better CPU. I saw at the oulet yesterday (4/17/06) a 8400 with a 3.6 processor for 489.00 usd... Excellant deal..  let me know what you do, i personally tried to convert my sister's 5150 to RAID O, and just is not possible period.....  You can jerry rig it, but not worth it if you can refuse system and order a more proper unit.  rraallpphh13

 

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April 18th, 2006 10:00

I'm very confused...I have a Silicon Image IDE controller PCI card with RAID...can I not pop that into one of the PCI slots on my soon-to-arrive 5150, and configure my 2 IDE Pata drives (1 in floppy bay and 1 in the free 5.25" bay) as RAID 0??

Thanx,
Miles

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April 18th, 2006 18:00

hmm...ya i would ordinarily want the more expandable 9150, but in this case i got a pretty good deal:
-5150 w/ dual core 2.8, 1gb RAM, 160GB hard drive, 20" 2007fpw widescreen for $670 shipped (includes taxes)...it's a pretty darn good deal!...unless a major 9150 deal appears in the next few days of course, I'll probably stick with it and just skip RAID..

Thanx,
Miles

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April 18th, 2006 21:00

I know what you mean. However, for 200.00 more, you can get an 8400 thru the outlet with a 600 series 3.6 processor, with 2 gb of memroy. All you are missing is a second sata cable (raid cable) and second hardrive, and you will have a RAID 0. If you haven't tried RAID 0, you won't know the difference. But once you do, you will never go back to a regular setup. It's super fast, and if you install 10,000 rpm raptor drives, it will be even faster. The 5150 is ok, but very entry level cpu. the attach is available as we speak until someone picks it up. The monitor shoud'nt be the mean reason for selecting a computer. Either way good luck... Take my word, refuse the 5105 and get a more proper cpu( 8400, 9150, 9100, XPS 400 or XPS 600 (w/2.8 dual core at 600.00 via outlet). If you need help let me know.   rraallpphh 13

Close    Dell recommends Windows®  XP Professional Dimension 8400 (System Identifier: EEDD52EJ)

  • Dimension 8400 Mini-Tower: Pentium 4 Processor 660 with HT Technology (3.60GHz, 800 FSB, 2MB)
  • Genuine Windows XP Home
System Price: $1,289.00 Promotion Discount: $400.00 Final Price: $889.00

Operating System
Genuine Windows XP Home
Memory
2 GB DDR2 SDRAM 533MHz (2 DIMMs)
Floppy Drive
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Hard Disk Drive
40 G (I) 7200RPM
Video
256MB Nvidia GeForce 6800 Graphics Card
Certified Refurbished
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Dimension 8400 Mini-Tower: Pentium 4 Processor 660 with HT Technology (3.60GHz, 800 FSB, 2MB)
Media Bay
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48X CD RW Drive

 













April 19th, 2006 13:00

I do wish I had upgraded to XPS for expandability, but I have to say I don't think a faster CPU would have done squat for me.  I sometimes run perf monitor while playing games and don't find the CPU on my E510 to be stressed at all.  With a Geforce 6800XT graphics card I bought on sale for $100, I can play Battle for Middle Earth II with all the goodies turned on, no problem. 

I spent around $2500 each on my last two high-end machines, only to watch them quickly become obsolete.  I would rather buy a new base system every two years rather than get a top-of-the-line system every four years.  I'll come out ahead on money and never be far out of date.

 

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April 19th, 2006 15:00

I think I'd agree about buying a new base system every 2 yrs...i got my 5150 for $670 w/ dual core, and 2007fpw, 1gb ram..throwing a better vid card in it...will do me fine i think...especially for
DIVX encoding, DVD work, working with video files etc...

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April 19th, 2006 15:00

I would have to agree with you both... Yes, it's really up to your needs and budget. I'm just more into performance and high end gaming.  I personally have an 8400 3.6P4 with x2 10,000 rpm raptor drives setup as raid 0 with 3 gb of 533mhz pc4200 memory and 6800 nvidia GTO Video card.

It's a rocket.... 

So guy's believe the 5150 is the best bang for your buck? Which is the best buy?

rraallpphh13

 

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April 19th, 2006 16:00

Rrrralllph13 that IS a wicked system you have!...but i think Dual core might do me better in this case cause I like doing video work, and i'll be able to do that and do other stuff at the same time..but, u have a total POWER system there...I might still get more RAM...Newegg has some PQI ram..2 more gigs for like 100!..I'm planning on adding a 7600GT..hope it'll be fine for my existing Power supply in my 5150..everywhere I've read says this card has a lower power consumption than a lot of others and that it should work OK!
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