Aurora R10, Resizable Bar support Bios version 2.1.3

That was my point all along, but got diluted because someone keeps responding with non-answers that have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Like I said before, this machine is still within it's 1 year standard limited warranty period. To consider it end of life and not providing bios updates before the standard warranty expires does not make sense to me.

Resizable BAR on this machine should not be an issue, because the newer R10 uses the exact same chipset, the B550A.

Like you said, it's all about the AGESA version and the implications of updating that. But if they honestly think I am going to fork out another $3,000 on one of their machines they are sadly mistaken.

I tend to learn from my mistakes, and have no issues saying I made a mistake purchasing this R10 machine.

I actually like and enjoy it. But the support DELL provides for this R10 is just not there, and in a way they provide the opposite of support, whatever that would be called. (Anti-support?).

Let's see what happens to the R11, if it's getting the same treatment as the previous generation R10. Technically speaking it should, because it's the exact same situation. (previous gen CPU, but same Z490 chipset as the R12). I am hoping for all R11 owners out there they get their updates.

As it stands right now, yes.

The latest motherboard bios for the R10 only enables Resizable BAR support on the new generation R10, the one with the Ryzen 5000 CPU.

It's the same bios file for both, but some options are either disabled or omitted from the previous generation R10.

R10 system bios 

I should add to this I just realized you have an RTX 2000 series, and as far as I know there's no Vbios update out to enable resizable BAR support for those. There is for the RTX 3000 series and I can confirm it enables resizable BAR support at the GPU level.

So I guess a 2020 R10 with a 3000 series Ryzen and RTX 2080 ti is outta luck for re-bar support? 

Speed Step was right about that, we cannot demand Dell for update bios for our incompatible system. However, you can always review your buying and user experience as one of the Alienware user.

I always agree business must be sustainable by ensuring cost efficiency vs performance. However, if the product did not perform as per hardware provided / pair with older gen would compromise the performance.

Also kindly remember, to own a system with similar performance, Alienware been charged a high premium on that.

We choose Alienware because we trust the brand & we anticipate the responsive and reliable support given.

However and unfortunately we still yet to see that.

"Stop defending Dell, this is completely the doing and failure of Dell."

I do not need nor did I ask for your permission to post or comment. You are entitled to your opinion.  You are not entitled to dictate what I can or cannot do. What I think, know or otherwise.

1. I also disagree entirely that this is All on Dell.

2. That Its easy and has no cost.

3. Its working fine across the board with all vendors and all processor versions and chip-set versions etc.

RTX 2080 doesn't support Re-sizeable Bar so its a non starter.

I'm a noob so i'll ask. What's a resizable bar? I have an R10 with a 3800X and a RTX 2070 Super. Does this new BIOS apply to me?

No resizeable bar for your setup.

This explains what it is: What is resizable BAR 

I am no expert but I believe I heard that the re-bar allows the GPU to directly access data in main computer memory RAM and process it without it having to be fed the the CPU first.

@speedstep  Hey, I would like to circle back to the point you put forward about the possibility of not having enough Flashrom available on the previous generation R10 in order to flash it and add resizable BAR support to the bios.

As you stated, it does not have enough flash Eprom available to add such feature(s).

I checked the new generation R10 manual, and on page 13 it lists the chipset used and the amount of Flash Eprom available.

It uses a B550A chipset, the exact same chipset as on the previous generation, and it has 128 MB of flash Eprom available.

I could not find the manual for the previous generation. I tried with my service tag, but I get served this manual. R10 manual 

If you would have a link to the previous generation manual so we can compare the chipset and especially Flash Eprom size that would be helpful. Or if anybody else would have it that would be great also.  

Just trying to confirm if the Flash Eprom has the same available space or not.

@Vanadiel 

I'm not following this (or maybe like only 5%).   I'm not sure what you all are getting at or trying to get to with this document. I would have said it was a safe bet for anyone to make that this value was the same for R10 v1 and 2.  But - for what it's worth- here is the document you requested. 

Also, being an R10 v1 owner and frequent visitor here, you must already have known that R10 v1 is B550A (aka B450 rebrand).  

As a separate aside though, I wonder if that "128 MB" in the specs is actually a typo and meant to say 128 Mb (not MB)?  So in other words that would mean there is only 16 MB flash ROM chip.  If that were the case, it would make some sense why Dell can't feasibly cram 5000 series support + rebar support into the R10 v1 if they used such a small chip (presumably it would have been a cost cutting measure).  

Yes, it is possible. But no official answer from DELL has ever been giving on the why. They just gave the motherboard a new part number and walked away from the discussion.

Typically a new AGESA version will include support for all the microcode, including in this case BAR support.

So if the Flash Eproms on both boards are the same, logic dictates the AGESA version that fits in one would also fit in the other.

That just leaves us with the CPU microcode, and how difficult it would be to remove Ryzen 5000 and swap it with Ryzen 3000 support, while leaving the rest unmodified. This would then not only enable BAR support on the "other" R10, but it would also provide it with a much needed AGESA update.

That was all that I was asking for, as I could understand there's not enough space available for both Ryzen 5000 and Ryzen 3000 CPU microcode, due to as you pointed out yet another cost cutting measure on the manufacturers end. Same as with the VRM heat sinks and some other items, where they cut costs to generate extra revenue at the cost of upgradability and user satisfaction in the long run.

I have just updated my RTX 3080 with the new VBIOS 1002 and the resizable BAR is now active!

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=35R91