Latest news for launch date for Cascade Lake X can be googled, last I heard it's 'sometime in November' = soon
A site like anandtech (google: anandtech intel cascade lake x for hedt 18 cores for under 1000)(Oct 1 article) shows us a head-to-head graph of Skylake vs Cascade x299 MSRP, where the price cuts on the latest chips (thanks to AMD) is such that you may as well call them 'slashed in half'; the $1000 10C 9900x no longer makes sense against a $600 10900x, where it's relative value as a now old chip vs the new chip is what, $500 new, tops?
Since 9820x is also 10C, I assume you have the base 9800x? You wish to upgrade one tier? Since Area-51 R5 reached end-of-life with the Cascade Lake announcement (in anticipation of a new Cascade-based desktop, R8 R9 etc which we expect to launch soon - perhaps this month - with the new lower-cost chips in a new case design), my opinion is that there'll be no Bios update for an R5 to upgrade to the new chips in order that Dellware force owners to the newer R8/R9 instead. The R4 owners can not run a Gen9 chip & would not be able to run Gen10 either as a result
As an R4 or R5 owner (which are you?), the R5 owner community must wait to see if they release a Bios update for Gen10 chips, where in my experience if a Bios update will come, it will do so several months (2-4) after a new chip's launch, where said Bios update could (I doubt it though) publish in say January-March (if one hasn't published by March, chances are it's because the decision was made not to put one in the pipeline at all, like they know on a day like today the R5 won't get it, yet owner's still expect it 'at anytime' even by next March)(ie waiting for something to happen that won't happen, like the Aurora R7 crowd who's still 'waiting' on their Bios update a year or more later)
Since your Q is: BUY I9-9900X NOW OR WAIT, the A, or one A is: no one knows yet if they'll even let R5 upgrade to new 10900x - you have to wait for ***that answer - perhaps a month, maybe months
Also, you have to wait for the new 10900x to crash the market value of the ***9900x, simply by being for sale. The 9900x has a value today which will drop in value when 10900x competes in the market against it. That is because ALL motherboards (except, I predict, the lone Alienware R5) will & already have goteen a Bios update, ALL (non-Alien) x299 owners WILL be able to upgrade & therefore help hurt the value of the older 9900x (all Gen9 chips) which is a good thing. In the end, I predict R5 owners won't be allowed to upgrade to Gen10 - but - Gen10 launching will hurt the value of Gen9 chips, pushing them down to more affordable prices (where 9900x new was $1000, it should fetch $500-ish, once the $600 10900x releases) & anyone & everyone (except an Alien owner) can choose what to run in their x299 mthrbrd, I hope that makes sense
If you wait it out a while, 9900x price should drop (***under $600)(Gen9 & 10 availability / scarcity, holiday / post-holiday markets will help determine short & long term prices), & if u do buy one, & later you GET (they publish) the Bios update for Gen10?, the one I predict against?, ok, sell Gen9 & buy Gen10, & chalk it up to the world of uncertainty we live in
A final thought: if u wish to buy 9900x NOW, it sounds like you have $1000 to spend on it; the advice would be to wait & buy the 18 Core 10980 for $1000 (if the R5 mthrbrd will support it) ... ... ...
***I have to speculate here about future Gen9 prices & un-released Bios updates that may or may not materialize as predicted
Await for other member-owner input in the meantime
A site like anandtech (google: anandtech intel cascade lake x for hedt 18 cores for under 1000)(Oct 1 article) shows us a head-to-head graph of Skylake vs Cascade x299 MSRP, where the price cuts on the latest chips (thanks to AMD) is such that you may as well call them 'slashed in half'; the $1000 10C 9900x no longer makes sense against a $600 10900x, where it's relative value as a now old chip vs the new chip is what, $500 new, tops?
That's a pretty chart.
For a single mainstream-chip, that's a lot of performance (with good watts) . Remember that these usually run 2 threads per physical-core.
I guess if you want the latest thing, and you want it now ... it's gonna cost-ya extra. There should be some deals on close-out models with last year's chips.
I just knew AMD had to have a purpose after all. jk
@630i 27mm wide rads (x 120), the entry-level budget alien coolers in Intel-based Area-51 are or is ________ (insert word)
Aurora (95w) get a 30mm wide
Threadripper (180w) get a 48mm wide
My best guess is they gimp the Bios on the Gen7/9 to throttle overclocking to maintain temps & should they re-issue 27mm rad for Gen10, will gimp those too
Owners who paid out the nose for the Gen7/9 40x/60x/80x should've been given the Threadripper's 48mm cooler without question (example: 7980 / 9980 XE $2000 MSRP, buyers actually paid $2500; the cost of the 27mm cooler was already included in price before they opted into it, yet, the $500 over full retail price gets same budget cooler as base 7800x 9800x buyer's get??? ... pffffff) _________ (insert word or words)
HotHardware review pic shows it's not exactly a small box, but a 65 pound ultra-tower that purports to run 7980 / 9980XE + dual-1080s using x3 27mm wide coolers ... somehow
Suffice it to say, owners should consider a better aftermarket cooler of 48-49mm rad, regardless the CPU (I blessed my R2 case with a 49mil Asetek 570LC type, the top cooler the case supports without doing a case mod for a 240mil)
Would a 120mm radiator be sufficient? Drop in largest cooler u can & overclock it within its means, dial it back til it stops thermal or VRM throttling etc, or mod case for 240mil *shrug*
Cass-Ole
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Latest news for launch date for Cascade Lake X can be googled, last I heard it's 'sometime in November' = soon
A site like anandtech (google: anandtech intel cascade lake x for hedt 18 cores for under 1000)(Oct 1 article) shows us a head-to-head graph of Skylake vs Cascade x299 MSRP, where the price cuts on the latest chips (thanks to AMD) is such that you may as well call them 'slashed in half'; the $1000 10C 9900x no longer makes sense against a $600 10900x, where it's relative value as a now old chip vs the new chip is what, $500 new, tops?
Since 9820x is also 10C, I assume you have the base 9800x? You wish to upgrade one tier? Since Area-51 R5 reached end-of-life with the Cascade Lake announcement (in anticipation of a new Cascade-based desktop, R8 R9 etc which we expect to launch soon - perhaps this month - with the new lower-cost chips in a new case design), my opinion is that there'll be no Bios update for an R5 to upgrade to the new chips in order that Dellware force owners to the newer R8/R9 instead. The R4 owners can not run a Gen9 chip & would not be able to run Gen10 either as a result
As an R4 or R5 owner (which are you?), the R5 owner community must wait to see if they release a Bios update for Gen10 chips, where in my experience if a Bios update will come, it will do so several months (2-4) after a new chip's launch, where said Bios update could (I doubt it though) publish in say January-March (if one hasn't published by March, chances are it's because the decision was made not to put one in the pipeline at all, like they know on a day like today the R5 won't get it, yet owner's still expect it 'at anytime' even by next March)(ie waiting for something to happen that won't happen, like the Aurora R7 crowd who's still 'waiting' on their Bios update a year or more later)
Since your Q is: BUY I9-9900X NOW OR WAIT, the A, or one A is: no one knows yet if they'll even let R5 upgrade to new 10900x - you have to wait for ***that answer - perhaps a month, maybe months
Also, you have to wait for the new 10900x to crash the market value of the ***9900x, simply by being for sale. The 9900x has a value today which will drop in value when 10900x competes in the market against it. That is because ALL motherboards (except, I predict, the lone Alienware R5) will & already have goteen a Bios update, ALL (non-Alien) x299 owners WILL be able to upgrade & therefore help hurt the value of the older 9900x (all Gen9 chips) which is a good thing. In the end, I predict R5 owners won't be allowed to upgrade to Gen10 - but - Gen10 launching will hurt the value of Gen9 chips, pushing them down to more affordable prices (where 9900x new was $1000, it should fetch $500-ish, once the $600 10900x releases) & anyone & everyone (except an Alien owner) can choose what to run in their x299 mthrbrd, I hope that makes sense
If you wait it out a while, 9900x price should drop (***under $600)(Gen9 & 10 availability / scarcity, holiday / post-holiday markets will help determine short & long term prices), & if u do buy one, & later you GET (they publish) the Bios update for Gen10?, the one I predict against?, ok, sell Gen9 & buy Gen10, & chalk it up to the world of uncertainty we live in
A final thought: if u wish to buy 9900x NOW, it sounds like you have $1000 to spend on it; the advice would be to wait & buy the 18 Core 10980 for $1000 (if the R5 mthrbrd will support it) ... ... ...
***I have to speculate here about future Gen9 prices & un-released Bios updates that may or may not materialize as predicted
Await for other member-owner input in the meantime
Tesla1856
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November 1st, 2019 19:00
That's a pretty chart.
For a single mainstream-chip, that's a lot of performance (with good watts) . Remember that these usually run 2 threads per physical-core.
I guess if you want the latest thing, and you want it now ... it's gonna cost-ya extra. There should be some deals on close-out models with last year's chips.
I just knew AMD had to have a purpose after all. jk
Cass-Ole
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November 1st, 2019 22:00
@T1856 Yes, AMD to the rescue ...
@630i 27mm wide rads (x 120), the entry-level budget alien coolers in Intel-based Area-51 are or is ________ (insert word)
Aurora (95w) get a 30mm wide
Threadripper (180w) get a 48mm wide
My best guess is they gimp the Bios on the Gen7/9 to throttle overclocking to maintain temps & should they re-issue 27mm rad for Gen10, will gimp those too
HotHardware reviewed the 7980XE
Owners who paid out the nose for the Gen7/9 40x/60x/80x should've been given the Threadripper's 48mm cooler without question (example: 7980 / 9980 XE $2000 MSRP, buyers actually paid $2500; the cost of the 27mm cooler was already included in price before they opted into it, yet, the $500 over full retail price gets same budget cooler as base 7800x 9800x buyer's get??? ... pffffff) _________ (insert word or words)
HotHardware review pic shows it's not exactly a small box, but a 65 pound ultra-tower that purports to run 7980 / 9980XE + dual-1080s using x3 27mm wide coolers ... somehow
Anyone interested in 27mm 48mm alien-cooler pics: Area-51 R5, BIOS update for new gen 9 CPU support?
Suffice it to say, owners should consider a better aftermarket cooler of 48-49mm rad, regardless the CPU (I blessed my R2 case with a 49mil Asetek 570LC type, the top cooler the case supports without doing a case mod for a 240mil)
Would a 120mm radiator be sufficient? Drop in largest cooler u can & overclock it within its means, dial it back til it stops thermal or VRM throttling etc, or mod case for 240mil *shrug*
ScientistRocket
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November 2nd, 2019 03:00
Thank you everyone. And thank you Cass-Ole for your very informative answer.
I don’t have a PC at the moment. But after your answer I think I shall play the waiting game. Hopefully not too long!
Cheers.
GTS81
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November 2nd, 2019 08:00
Onward to 280W!
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/threadripper-3000-cpu-listed-with-32-cores-possible-new-socket
GTS81
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November 2nd, 2019 10:00
My recommendation is biased: Intel Cascade Lake-X. I used to be team blue.