This is a fake, its already been reported on Betanews.com as being a fraudulent marketing ad. There is not Windows 11 at least in the foreseeable future coming from Microsoft.
But with the end of Microsoft's Refurbisher Program coming July 31 2020 and being unable to purchase any more W10 COA's I was hoping that someone else had some insight???
In the past few days I have received some e-mails from Microsoft and the RRP that explains what is going on and what the future holds.
Next big thing for Windows appears to be Windows 10X whatever that means? At first it appeared that Microsoft was planning a multi display mobile platform but recently decided to focus on single display notebooks because people were more inclined to use that format for work at home tasks. How much different that will be from Windows 10 remains to be seen? Personally, I too wish we could see something beyond Windows 10 if for no reason then to break this cycle of rinse and repeat of Windows 10. Windows 10X could very well be that rebranding we want but not really change the formula. Or it could end up being the Windows 11 that we all want to evolve past Windows 10.
A Genuine Microsoft Label (GML) should be found on new devices that:
Have been preinstalled with or licensed for Pro editions of Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. Have been preinstalled with or licensed for Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 shipping into China (with the exception of Hong Kong and Macau). Are licensed for a Windows Pro product, but have been pre-installed with a Windows 7 Professional downgrade. These devices are licensed for Windows 8 Pro but not pre-installed with Windows 8 Pro. These devices would include a GML.
Q.Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the End User Software License Terms and the support of the software covered by that End User Software License Terms. The End User Software License Terms is a set of usage rights granted to the end user by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software as installed on that particular PC. The system builder is required to support the software on the original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PCs with different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that would still define the original PC. Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created. The original system builder did not manufacture this new PC, and therefore cannot be expected to support it.
end of Microsoft's Refurbisher Program coming July 31 2020 and being unable to purchase any more W10 COA's
You do not purchase COA's you purchase licence to use windows. Under any of the programs you were not allowed to just sell a COA without attaching it to a pc and activating. This is where the fraud and piracy continues. Thats also why they moved licences to a SLP 3 key in bios.
Use of OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. Those will continue to be available as will full retail price windows.
The only machines that need this are from 2007 and earlier.
2009 and later at least came wth windows 7. There was a lot of piracy and duplication and fraud associated with the COA's
Thats why they moved to the licence key in BIOS via SLP3
This communication is to inform all Registered Refurbisher’s both Commercial & Citizenship that Microsoft will retire the Microsoft Registered Refurbisher Program effective October 1th, 2020.
Microsoft will not be renewing the Microsoft Registered Refurbisher Program Agreement, (including all extensions, the “Agreement”). However, to keep supporting our Register Refurbish Ecosystem, in the next couple of months we will be announcing a new path for partners to access licenses under the Refurbisher program.
Please note: The current Agreement is valid until June 30th, 2020. Microsoft hereby grants certain extensions to the Agreement as stated below.
RRP application
No new RRP applications will be processed after June 15th, 2020.
RRP COA Orders
Partners can order licenses (Commercial & Citizenship) until September 30th, 2020. Starting October 1st, 2020 partners can no longer order RRP Licenses (Commercial & Citizenship).
Obtaining RRP Product keys
Partners can download product keys from the RRP portal and install on a Qualified PC until December 31st, 2020. Downloaded Product keys will not expire and will be valid for use after program closure. Partners will not be required to return unused COA. Partners will not have access to download product keys after December 31st, 2020. There are no refunds for the return of Citizenship COAs.
RRP Portal
The RRP portal will remain active until December 31st, 2020 except of COA ordering (available to September 30th 2020 only). Please ensure that all records are retrieved from the portal prior to December 31st, 2020.
Distribution
Partners may distribute Product on Refurbished PCs until stock is depleted. Distribution rights in section 2 of the Agreement shall survive expiration or termination of Agreement only until the earlier of all Refurbished PC stock is sold or June 30, 2021. Except as expressly set forth above, nothing in this communication shall be deemed to amend, waive, or modify the terms of the Agreement. Microsoft explicitly reserves all of its rights or remedies with respect to any other terms of the Agreement.
Acquiring and or distributing Product during this extension signifies Registered Refurbisher’s agreement to the terms of this extension.
Origin. The program was launched in November 2007, partially as a way to limit piracy. ...
Benefits. The main benefit of the refurbisher program is access to license Microsoft software at a lower cost than is charged to manufacturers of new PCs.
Registered vs Authorized. ...
License Types. ...
Software.
OEM Licences will still be available Just not the Reduced Cost Versions.
My main reason for not doing that was a quota system that required me to buy a specific number of licences per month to stay in.
The MAR program is open to major OEM refurbishers headquartered worldwide that meet the program entry criteria. To be considered for the program, refurbishers must have:
●A minimum average threshold of 1,000 PCs shipped per month.
●The technical competence required to preinstall Windows operating systems
●Appropriate security measures in place to ensure the safe storage and handling of COAs
●Adequate systems for data wiping and reporting, including conformance to Department of Defense or similar data wiping standards on all hard disks that are reused through the program
●Conformance with applicable local health, safety and environmental regulations
Microsoft on June 4 sent an email to companies participating in its Registered Refurbisher Program (RRP) notifying them the program will end later this year. RRP will be rolled into a separate program, called the Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher (MAR) program.
Before the programs, refurbishers were forced to choose between buying market-rate software licenses, often making it cost-prohibitive to price PCs for low-income people, and using pirated software. The programs have provided a legal avenue for refurbishers to acquire discounted software.
According to Microsoft’s Database, there are about 1,550 participating RRP refurbishers in the U.S. and over 190 in Canada. The U.S. and Canada refurbishers account for about half of RRP partners globally.
Microsoft intends to modernize and optimize the program, not create hurdles for refurbishers, he said.
The change means former RRP refurbishers will be required to buy all licenses from MARs, negotiating volumes and pricing with them. They’ll also report citizenship license end user data to the MARs. The change reduces administrative burdens for Microsoft.
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This is a fake, its already been reported on Betanews.com as being a fraudulent marketing ad. There is not Windows 11 at least in the foreseeable future coming from Microsoft.
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June 16th, 2020 12:00
@Johnnythegeek
Thanks for your assessment and opinion.
I know the W11 is an internet myth.
But with the end of Microsoft's Refurbisher Program coming July 31 2020 and being unable to purchase any more W10 COA's I was hoping that someone else had some insight???
In the past few days I have received some e-mails from Microsoft and the RRP that explains what is going on and what the future holds.
Regards,
U2
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Next big thing for Windows appears to be Windows 10X whatever that means? At first it appeared that Microsoft was planning a multi display mobile platform but recently decided to focus on single display notebooks because people were more inclined to use that format for work at home tasks. How much different that will be from Windows 10 remains to be seen? Personally, I too wish we could see something beyond Windows 10 if for no reason then to break this cycle of rinse and repeat of Windows 10. Windows 10X could very well be that rebranding we want but not really change the formula. Or it could end up being the Windows 11 that we all want to evolve past Windows 10.
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June 17th, 2020 12:00
New machines will have Key in bios so I don't think new licences are necessary.
If you have at least windows 7 COA you can update to 10 easily. Thats another reason why WIN7 is end of life.
All future machines will be 64 bit WIN10 only, UEFI only, GPT only.
No more legacy MBR Booting or 32 bit capability.
This is also why I routinely buy older machines with at least WIN7 and stockpile them.
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June 17th, 2020 13:00
Thanks for your input @speedstep
The COA's I refer to are purchased through the Microsoft Registered Refurbisher Program. "RRP"
We purchase through D&H Distributing. "Ends Sept.30 2020"
They like many others will no longer sell COA's to Registered Refurbishers.
That will end and all licences will now go through Microsoft Refurbisher Program. "MRP"
Best regards,
U2
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I started on just about every PDP 11 made.
Trained out side DC on the Vax 11-730, 11-750 and the 11-780."International Computers Equipment" "ICE"
Worked on 11-785 clustered with HSC-50/70's in Belgum and West Germany.
The good old days.
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June 17th, 2020 18:00
No more COA's also enforces the motherboard rule.
New OEM machines with windows licence in bios do not need a COA which is why they have genuine Microsoft label.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/howtotell/hardware-pc-purchase
A Genuine Microsoft Label (GML) should be found on new devices that:
Have been preinstalled with or licensed for Pro editions of Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.
Have been preinstalled with or licensed for Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 shipping into China
(with the exception of Hong Kong and Macau).
Are licensed for a Windows Pro product, but have been pre-installed with a Windows 7 Professional downgrade.
These devices are licensed for Windows 8 Pro but not pre-installed with Windows 8 Pro.
These devices would include a GML.
Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the End User Software License Terms and the support of the software covered by that End User Software License Terms. The End User Software License Terms is a set of usage rights granted to the end user by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software as installed on that particular PC. The system builder is required to support the software on the original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PCs with different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that would still define the original PC. Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created. The original system builder did not manufacture this new PC, and therefore cannot be expected to support it.
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end of Microsoft's Refurbisher Program coming July 31 2020 and being unable to purchase any more W10 COA's
You do not purchase COA's you purchase licence to use windows. Under any of the programs you were not allowed to just sell a COA without attaching it to a pc and activating. This is where the fraud and piracy continues. Thats also why they moved licences to a SLP 3 key in bios.
Use of OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. Those will continue to be available as will full retail price windows.
The only machines that need this are from 2007 and earlier.
2009 and later at least came wth windows 7. There was a lot of piracy and duplication and fraud associated with the COA's
Thats why they moved to the licence key in BIOS via SLP3
What did they say:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/h12o0r/psa_microsoft_cancelling_the_registered/
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June 17th, 2020 18:00
I am aware of the Microsoft Authorized Refurbishers (MAR) program
https://partner.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/licensing-agreements
What Is a Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher?
OEM Licences will still be available Just not the Reduced Cost Versions.
My main reason for not doing that was a quota system that required me to buy a specific number of licences per month to stay in.
The MAR program is open to major OEM refurbishers headquartered worldwide that meet the program entry criteria. To be considered for the program, refurbishers must have:
●A minimum average threshold of 1,000 PCs shipped per month.
●The technical competence required to preinstall Windows operating systems
●Appropriate security measures in place to ensure the safe storage and handling of COAs
●Adequate systems for data wiping and reporting, including conformance to Department of Defense or similar data wiping standards on all hard disks that are reused through the program
●Conformance with applicable local health, safety and environmental regulations
Microsoft on June 4 sent an email to companies participating in its Registered Refurbisher Program (RRP) notifying them the program will end later this year. RRP will be rolled into a separate program, called the Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher (MAR) program.
Before the programs, refurbishers were forced to choose between buying market-rate software licenses, often making it cost-prohibitive to price PCs for low-income people, and using pirated software. The programs have provided a legal avenue for refurbishers to acquire discounted software.
According to Microsoft’s Database, there are about 1,550 participating RRP refurbishers in the U.S. and over 190 in Canada. The U.S. and Canada refurbishers account for about half of RRP partners globally.
https://www.msregrefurb.com/RRPSite/OnlineDirectory.aspx
Microsoft intends to modernize and optimize the program, not create hurdles for refurbishers, he said.
The change means former RRP refurbishers will be required to buy all licenses from MARs, negotiating volumes and pricing with them. They’ll also report citizenship license end user data to the MARs. The change reduces administrative burdens for Microsoft.
https://download.microsoft.com/download/3/D/F/3DF14536-060D-4BF9-BB94-A5894A7180F6/MAR_Program_Guide_FY14Q3.pdf
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June 18th, 2020 03:00
WOW @speedstep
Overkill again as everyone would expect.
Regards,
U2