This magazin tested the DV-W58E: They wrote that the drive has catastrophically testing results. The media compatibility is very poor and the overall performance is bad. The same applies to the Teac DV-W58GK.
I've only burnt 5 DVD's (3 Movie DVD's & 2 Data) with my TEAC W58E and so far had no problems. I have only used Verbatim DataLife 4X DVD+R's. I use Nero 6.3.0.2 and use the Express Mode. The first 3 I didn't pay any attention to how long it took, after reading all the problems people are having burning at 4X I payed close attention this time.
I just finished burning a short main movie title only DVD (3.33 GB) that I had already ripped to my hard drive earlier. With the Registry Tweak I posted early, Nero reported speed while burning was 3.8X - 3.9X constantly switching back and forth. From the time I clicked the "Burn" button till the time the wave file played the "finished sound" was 12 minutes by my clock, nero reported it took 11:45. So as you can see it actually was writing at about 4X, if there were enough data to fill the disk it would have took the common 15 minutes to write a full disk.
Just because Nero doesn't list the TEAC as a supported drive, doesn't mean it will not work correctly. It just means it hasn't been tested or confirmed that it works with Nero. I'm not sure why I'm not having any of the problems others are, maybe I'm just lucky, or alot of people have bad drives. The only brand I've ever used is Verbatim, I'm planning on buying a 50 stack of Memorex +R's on sale tomorrow, I'll report back if they work OK. I haven't seen any 8X blanks available locally yet, can't wait to try some of them.
Here is my Nero Log of the DVD burn if anyone is interested.
15.1.2004 UDF/ISO compilation 12:57:58 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800 DVD-Video files reallocation started
12:57:58 AM #2 Text 0 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 540 Content of VIDEO_TS.IFO has been modified
12:57:58 AM #3 Text 0 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 540 Content of VIDEO_TS.BUP has been modified
12:57:58 AM #4 Phase 113 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800 DVD-Video files reallocation completed
12:57:58 AM #5 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6029 Iso document burn settings ------------------------------------------ Determine maximum speed : FALSE Simulate : FALSE Write : TRUE Finalize CD : TRUE Multisession : FALSE Burning mode : DAO Mode : 1 ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char) Character set : ISO 9660 Joliet : TRUE Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE
12:57:58 AM #6 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800 DVD-Video files sorted
12:57:58 AM #7 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118 Reader running
12:57:58 AM #8 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124 Writer TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E running
12:57:58 AM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
12:57:58 AM #10 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
12:57:58 AM #11 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3101 Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media
12:57:58 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 240 Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB) Last address to be written: 1751519 (389:13.44, 3420MB)
12:57:58 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245 Write in overburning mode: FALSE
12:57:58 AM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2085 Recorder: TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E, Media type: DVD+R Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC, Media Type ID: 002, Product revision number: 0 Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 1
12:57:58 AM #15 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 406 >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<< =========================================
12:57:58 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779 Setup items (after recorder preparation) 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem) 2 indices, index0 (150) not provided original disc pos #0 + 1751520 (1751520) = #1751520/389:13.45 relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1751520 blocks [TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E ] --------------------------------------------------------------
12:57:58 AM #18 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800 Caching of files started
12:57:58 AM #19 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4073 Cache writing successful.
12:57:58 AM #20 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800 Caching of files completed
12:57:58 AM #21 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800 Burn process started at 4x (5,520 KB/s)
12:57:58 AM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264 Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
12:57:58 AM #23 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 7941 ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ---- Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050 Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1 Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: (F h) Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW) End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist Media Specific: 00 01 4D 43 43 00 00 00 - 00 00 30 30 32 00 38 23 ..MCC.....002.8# 54 37 13 02 4A 71 02 90 - 66 16 16 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 T7..Jq..f....... 1C 1E 0B 0C 12 12 01 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 ................
12:57:58 AM #24 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658 Set remaining time: 11:04,673 (664673ms) -> OK
12:57:58 AM #25 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 564 Start write address at LBA 0 DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
1:09:20 AM #26 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115 start writing Lead-Out at LBA 1751520 (1AB9E0h), lenght 0 blocks
1:09:20 AM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229 all writers idle, stopping conversion
1:09:39 AM #28 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658 Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
1:09:39 AM #29 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658 Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
1:09:39 AM #30 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800 Burn process completed successfully at 4x (5,520 KB/s)
Message Edited by NHRARacer on 01-15-2004 03:27 AM
Message Edited by NHRARacer on 01-15-2004 04:51 AM
You were wondering why others had problems with Nero and +R's? Well I'm thinking it's the media brand- Verbatim DataLife 4x +R's. I've used TDK+R's 4x. I'll give the Verbatims a shot. When you burned your 2 data disks on Verbatim, did you use Verification? Multisession? Thanks so much.
DrKoma,
So you don't think Dell upgraded the Teac W58Es' hardware or firmware since December? Still trying to figure out of my drive is bad.
Beside Notebooks and complete PC components still by page for the computer are in the current Media market media-Markt-Flyer. CHIP on-line one picked the good deals out.
Not matured: Also a firmware update does not help
DVD burner: TEAC DV-W58GK now gives it also with the Media to market a first 8fach-DVD-Brenner. The equipment of TEAC burns DVD+R with eightfold, DVD r disks with quadruple speed. DVD+RW are described with up to 4fach and DVD RW with maximally 2fach-Speed. Also with CDs the burner works quite quickly. Up to 40x speed creates the TEAC.
CHIP on-line one means: The burner ranks among the first devices, which are produced by TEAC. One notices that also. In the test laboratory we had the early OEM version of this drive assembly with catastrophic results with the DV-W58E in a Dell computer. In a first short test miserable achievements and bad medium compatibility showed up.
1. the firmware: I think that the firmware is very buggy and should be replaced (by Dell) by another, stable version. Media compatibility should be extended.
2. the software: the drive is very new. Many software (e.g. Nero) doesnt support the drive right now. This will take some time.
The firmware from the old and the new drive are the same. And I don't think the the hardware has been upgraded. I hope that a new version of Nero will support the drive better than now.
You wrote that you can burn with the bundled software. So I think your drive is ok.
Thanks for your reply. I feel the same way regarding the Teac Hardware, Firmeware and burning software.
I'm confused because Pik can burn the TDK 4x +R disks at 2.4x using Nero 6.3 without errors and I got the Invalid field in command and Could not perform end of Disc-at-once errors in Nero 6.0 using the same media.
What confuses me more: How can NHRacer burn VerbatimDataLife 4x +R's at 4x(or 3.9x) using Nero 6.3? He did 3.33 gigs in under 12 minutes! What is the difference between his system and ours? Could it be the registry tweak he added to view/change the burn speed?
I think I'll reinstall Nero 6.3 and try the VerbatimDatalifePlus4x +R's and Philips4x +RW's. See what happens.
Quassi_state, the originator of the thread, hasn't posted much. I would like to get his views on some of these issues now that the subject has been discussed a bit.
NHRARacer, IMHO Nero does not support TEAC drive properly because:
1. It is not possible to set any speed other than 4x regardless if it is +R or +RW (can you set 2.4x burn speed?)
2. EZ CD Creator is able to burn within 15 min the same +RW 4x disc which Nero burns 30 min
If TEAC is in fact 8x drive please tell us DELL: how, with which application, with what media is this drive able to burn or at least to try to burn +R discs at 8x speed like e.g. Plextor, LiteOn or NEC drives? If it were not possible "8x" for this drive would mean nothing...
You were wondering why others had problems with Nero and +R's? Well I'm thinking it's the media brand- Verbatim DataLife 4x +R's. I've used TDK+R's 4x. I'll give the Verbatims a shot. When you burned your 2 data disks on Verbatim, did you use Verification? Multisession? Thanks so much.
When I burned the Data disks I just made a plain DVD Data disk and wrote the Disk at Once, no Verification, no Multi Session or Drag and Drop disk. Over the years I've always had spotty results using drag and drop with Nero's InCD or Roxio's DirectCD, same with multi session.
I just called the Dell support in Germany again. I had the impression, that they are not really aware of a problem with this burner. Interesting, that Chip knows more about it... I got the hint to re-install the burn software, try several different sw and so on. They do not belive in a hardware problem, but if the low speed burning continued with any software, they would offer to change the device.
In my opinion the firmware is not yet perfect (compatibility list?) and some programs do not yet support the device in the right way.
By the way, I never had burn errors and bad discs, it is only slow. I will try different sw, then we will see.I'm disappointed that Dell remains so quiet on this.
Dell doesn't think the Teac W58E has a hardware issue? Gosh consider the source. Some companies do not reveal certain end product technical issues to it's consumers....They play dumb. Yes, possibly the tech reps and thier supervisors were not aware of the Teac issues, but the higher ups know everything...That's why Dell(tech reps) remains so quiet..They seem malinformed.. If anyone knows everything about Dell's devices, it's Dell. Just my opinion.
It's a good thing we have each other for support on this forum, because at this point, I cannot imagine any other Dell support coming our way.
my drive has a sticker with the label Benq (in the last line of the sticker). Have you problems burning DVD+R?
Could it be possible that there a two versions of this drive (one produced by Benq, the other produced by Teac) and only the Benq-Drive has this problems?
I also have only one LED....did not yet take out the burner (I live in NJ, USA.) I've been searching for a Benq website without any luck. Very strange indeed. Is Benq a German company? Never heard of Benq before.
Both W58E's I tried were one LED TEAC label (mfg Dec 2003 first one and Oct 2003 second one). I am in Canada (cold eh!).
A little OT here but:
When I replaced the defective drive I noticed Dell has installed both DVD ROM and DVD RW on the same IDE channel (cable select DVD ROM primary, DVD RW secondary). This is a poor configuration for DVD/CD to DVD/CD copying with both DVD units on the same IDE channel.
I also have a SATA 120G HD. If you are using SATA for your HD, both IDE channels are available on the mainboard and Dell likely put both DVDs on the connector labelled 'CD drive' in the manual. This is actually IDE2. They likely have the W58E in the secondary connector in the middle of the cable and the DVD ROM on the primary connector at the end of the cable (for cable select).
To get optimum performance from a DVD RW it should be on a separate IDE channel configured as the primary drive. When I installed my Plextor 708A to replace the Teac, I left the DVD ROM as primary on the 'CD Drive' IDE connector (IDE2) and using another IDE cable plugged it into the 'hard drive' IDE connector (actually IDE1) configured as master (regular IDE cable, not cable select).
Note you will need to go into setup when the Dimension restarts (hit F2) to update the disk/IDE configuration in BIOS since Dell has likely disabled IDE1. The Dell manual covers installing extra drives but neglects to mention updating the BIOS information. Pay attention to the power and static warnings!
Sorry if this is too technical for this thread but having owned several computers and built the other two I also have, its something most people are likely to encounter and is easy to do.
BTW the Plextor is recognized by the Nero/MyDVD sw and it correctly burns + and - discs (R/RW).
skippy1974
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January 15th, 2004 04:00
I'll just keep it with phlips dvd+rw 1-4x that are burning perfect at 4 speed.
I also saw that the dvd+r 1-4x from philips is from manufacturer CMC and the RW-version is RICOH.
The dvd+r then was burning good at 2 speed (an arita 2.4x) was also from RICOH.
DrKoma
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January 15th, 2004 04:00
Hello,
if you can read german:
http://www.chip.de/artikel/c_artikelunterseite_11358522.html?tid1=&tid2=
This magazin tested the DV-W58E: They wrote that the drive has catastrophically testing results. The media compatibility is very poor and the overall performance is bad. The same applies to the Teac DV-W58GK.
Wow!
OverBurn
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January 15th, 2004 05:00
I've only burnt 5 DVD's (3 Movie DVD's & 2 Data) with my TEAC W58E and so far had no problems. I have only used Verbatim DataLife 4X DVD+R's. I use Nero 6.3.0.2 and use the Express Mode. The first 3 I didn't pay any attention to how long it took, after reading all the problems people are having burning at 4X I payed close attention this time.
I just finished burning a short main movie title only DVD (3.33 GB) that I had already ripped to my hard drive earlier. With the Registry Tweak I posted early, Nero reported speed while burning was 3.8X - 3.9X constantly switching back and forth. From the time I clicked the "Burn" button till the time the wave file played the "finished sound" was 12 minutes by my clock, nero reported it took 11:45. So as you can see it actually was writing at about 4X, if there were enough data to fill the disk it would have took the common 15 minutes to write a full disk.
Just because Nero doesn't list the TEAC as a supported drive, doesn't mean it will not work correctly. It just means it hasn't been tested or confirmed that it works with Nero. I'm not sure why I'm not having any of the problems others are, maybe I'm just lucky, or alot of people have bad drives. The only brand I've ever used is Verbatim, I'm planning on buying a 50 stack of Memorex +R's on sale tomorrow, I'll report back if they work OK. I haven't seen any 8X blanks available locally yet, can't wait to try some of them.
Here is my Nero Log of the DVD burn if anyone is interested.
15.1.2004
UDF/ISO compilation
12:57:58 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
DVD-Video files reallocation started
12:57:58 AM #2 Text 0 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 540
Content of VIDEO_TS.IFO has been modified
12:57:58 AM #3 Text 0 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 540
Content of VIDEO_TS.BUP has been modified
12:57:58 AM #4 Phase 113 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
DVD-Video files reallocation completed
12:57:58 AM #5 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6029
Iso document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet : TRUE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE
12:57:58 AM #6 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
DVD-Video files sorted
12:57:58 AM #7 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running
12:57:58 AM #8 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E running
12:57:58 AM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
12:57:58 AM #10 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
12:57:58 AM #11 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3101
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media
12:57:58 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 240
Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 1751519 (389:13.44, 3420MB)
12:57:58 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
Write in overburning mode: FALSE
12:57:58 AM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2085
Recorder: TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E, Media type: DVD+R
Disc Manufacturer ID: MCC, Media Type ID: 002, Product revision number: 0
Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 1
12:57:58 AM #15 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 406
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================
12:57:58 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 1751520 (1751520) = #1751520/389:13.45
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1751520 blocks [TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E ]
--------------------------------------------------------------
12:57:58 AM #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
Prepare recorder [TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 3587112960, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
1751520 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
12:57:58 AM #18 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Caching of files started
12:57:58 AM #19 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4073
Cache writing successful.
12:57:58 AM #20 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Caching of files completed
12:57:58 AM #21 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Burn process started at 4x (5,520 KB/s)
12:57:58 AM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
12:57:58 AM #23 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 7941
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Media Specific:
00 01 4D 43 43 00 00 00 - 00 00 30 30 32 00 38 23 ..MCC.....002.8#
54 37 13 02 4A 71 02 90 - 66 16 16 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 T7..Jq..f.......
1C 1E 0B 0C 12 12 01 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 ................
12:57:58 AM #24 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
Set remaining time: 11:04,673 (664673ms) -> OK
12:57:58 AM #25 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 564
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
1:09:20 AM #26 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
start writing Lead-Out at LBA 1751520 (1AB9E0h), lenght 0 blocks
1:09:20 AM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion
1:09:39 AM #28 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
1:09:39 AM #29 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
1:09:39 AM #30 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Burn process completed successfully at 4x (5,520 KB/s)
Message Edited by NHRARacer on 01-15-2004 03:27 AM
Message Edited by NHRARacer on 01-15-2004 04:51 AM
Graz
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January 15th, 2004 12:00
NHRARacer,
You were wondering why others had problems with Nero and +R's? Well I'm thinking it's the media brand- Verbatim DataLife 4x +R's. I've used TDK+R's 4x. I'll give the Verbatims a shot. When you burned your 2 data disks on Verbatim, did you use Verification? Multisession? Thanks so much.
DrKoma,
So you don't think Dell upgraded the Teac W58Es' hardware or firmware since December? Still trying to figure out of my drive is bad.
I translated that german article on the W58E: (I used http://www.systransoft.com/ systran4.0 to translate)
"Burner, blanks and more
Beside Notebooks and complete PC components still by page for
the computer are in the current Media market media-Markt-Flyer. CHIP
on-line one picked the good deals out.
Not matured: Also a firmware update does not help
DVD burner: TEAC DV-W58GK now gives it also with the Media to
market a first 8fach-DVD-Brenner. The equipment of TEAC burns DVD+R
with eightfold, DVD r disks with quadruple speed. DVD+RW are described
with up to 4fach and DVD RW with maximally 2fach-Speed. Also with CDs
the burner works quite quickly. Up to 40x speed creates the TEAC.
CHIP on-line one means: The burner ranks among the first devices,
which are produced by TEAC. One notices that also. In the test
laboratory we had the early OEM version of this drive assembly with
catastrophic results with the DV-W58E in a Dell computer. In a first
short test miserable achievements and bad medium compatibility showed
up.
Price: 159 euro info.: www.teac.de"
Message Edited by Graz on 01-15-2004 10:24 AM
DrKoma
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January 15th, 2004 14:00
Graz,
what I think:
1. the firmware: I think that the firmware is very buggy and should be replaced (by Dell) by another, stable version. Media compatibility should be extended.
2. the software: the drive is very new. Many software (e.g. Nero) doesnt support the drive right now. This will take some time.
The firmware from the old and the new drive are the same. And I don't think the the hardware has been upgraded. I hope that a new version of Nero will support the drive better than now.
You wrote that you can burn with the bundled software. So I think your drive is ok.
Graz
48 Posts
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January 15th, 2004 17:00
DrKoma,
Thanks for your reply. I feel the same way regarding the Teac Hardware, Firmeware and burning software.
I'm confused because Pik can burn the TDK 4x +R disks at 2.4x using Nero 6.3 without errors and I got the Invalid field in command and Could not perform end of Disc-at-once errors in Nero 6.0 using the same media.
What confuses me more: How can NHRacer burn VerbatimDataLife 4x +R's at 4x(or 3.9x) using Nero 6.3? He did 3.33 gigs in under 12 minutes! What is the difference between his system and ours? Could it be the registry tweak he added to view/change the burn speed?
I think I'll reinstall Nero 6.3 and try the VerbatimDatalifePlus4x +R's and Philips4x +RW's. See what happens.
Quassi_state, the originator of the thread, hasn't posted much. I would like to get his views on some of these issues now that the subject has been discussed a bit.
Message Edited by Graz on 01-15-2004 03:13 PM
PiK
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January 15th, 2004 18:00
NHRARacer, IMHO Nero does not support TEAC drive properly because:
1. It is not possible to set any speed other than 4x regardless if it is +R or +RW (can you set 2.4x burn speed?)
2. EZ CD Creator is able to burn within 15 min the same +RW 4x disc which Nero burns 30 min
If TEAC is in fact 8x drive please tell us DELL: how, with which application, with what media is this drive able to burn or at least to try to burn +R discs at 8x speed like e.g. Plextor, LiteOn or NEC drives? If it were not possible "8x" for this drive would mean nothing...
Message Edited by PiK on 01-15-2004 10:00 PM
OverBurn
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January 15th, 2004 19:00
When I burned the Data disks I just made a plain DVD Data disk and wrote the Disk at Once, no Verification, no Multi Session or Drag and Drop disk. Over the years I've always had spotty results using drag and drop with Nero's InCD or Roxio's DirectCD, same with multi session.
Troll_01
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January 16th, 2004 08:00
Hi all,
I just called the Dell support in Germany again. I had the impression, that they are not really aware of a problem with this burner. Interesting, that Chip knows more about it... I got the hint to re-install the burn software, try several different sw and so on. They do not belive in a hardware problem, but if the low speed burning continued with any software, they would offer to change the device.
In my opinion the firmware is not yet perfect (compatibility list?) and some programs do not yet support the device in the right way.
By the way, I never had burn errors and bad discs, it is only slow. I will try different sw, then we will see.I'm disappointed that Dell remains so quiet on this.
Troll
DrKoma
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January 16th, 2004 09:00
Hello,
you can find a compatibility list here:
http://cgi.teac.de/dspd/downloads/misc/medienlisten/medlist_dvw58g_media.jpg
It is for the Teac DV-W58G; therefore the DVD-R and DVD-RW media in the list.
Graz
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January 16th, 2004 22:00
Troll,
Dell doesn't think the Teac W58E has a hardware issue? Gosh consider the source. Some companies do not reveal certain end product technical issues to it's consumers....They play dumb. Yes, possibly the tech reps and thier supervisors were not aware of the Teac issues, but the higher ups know everything...That's why Dell(tech reps) remains so quiet..They seem malinformed.. If anyone knows everything about Dell's devices, it's Dell. Just my opinion.
It's a good thing we have each other for support on this forum, because at this point, I cannot imagine any other Dell support coming our way.
Message Edited by Graz on 01-17-2004 12:52 PM
nasabaer
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January 17th, 2004 11:00
as i wrot in the brennmeister.com forum - i put my TEAC Drive out of my PC - and there was a sticker on it - saying its a BENQ Drive !!!
This Drive is from Dez. 2003.
another one in the Brennmeister forum showed my a foto from the sticker on his teac burner. At his sticker i could not see who produced this burner.
A few posts ago there was a link here to the teac burner in japan (foto) - but my burner has only ONE LED - not two as shown on the foto.
Maybe you should check this out.
DrKoma
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January 17th, 2004 14:00
Hello Nasabaer,
my drive has a sticker with the label Benq (in the last line of the sticker). Have you problems burning DVD+R?
Could it be possible that there a two versions of this drive (one produced by Benq, the other produced by Teac) and only the Benq-Drive has this problems?
Graz
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January 17th, 2004 15:00
Message Edited by Graz on 01-17-2004 12:50 PM
beerjay
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January 17th, 2004 15:00
Both W58E's I tried were one LED TEAC label (mfg Dec 2003 first one and Oct 2003 second one). I am in Canada (cold eh!).
A little OT here but:
When I replaced the defective drive I noticed Dell has installed both DVD ROM and DVD RW on the same IDE channel (cable select DVD ROM primary, DVD RW secondary). This is a poor configuration for DVD/CD to DVD/CD copying with both DVD units on the same IDE channel.
I also have a SATA 120G HD. If you are using SATA for your HD, both IDE channels are available on the mainboard and Dell likely put both DVDs on the connector labelled 'CD drive' in the manual. This is actually IDE2. They likely have the W58E in the secondary connector in the middle of the cable and the DVD ROM on the primary connector at the end of the cable (for cable select).
To get optimum performance from a DVD RW it should be on a separate IDE channel configured as the primary drive. When I installed my Plextor 708A to replace the Teac, I left the DVD ROM as primary on the 'CD Drive' IDE connector (IDE2) and using another IDE cable plugged it into the 'hard drive' IDE connector (actually IDE1) configured as master (regular IDE cable, not cable select).
Note you will need to go into setup when the Dimension restarts (hit F2) to update the disk/IDE configuration in BIOS since Dell has likely disabled IDE1. The Dell manual covers installing extra drives but neglects to mention updating the BIOS information. Pay attention to the power and static warnings!
Sorry if this is too technical for this thread but having owned several computers and built the other two I also have, its something most people are likely to encounter and is easy to do.
BTW the Plextor is recognized by the Nero/MyDVD sw and it correctly burns + and - discs (R/RW).
bj