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You cannot run windows 11 even with any upgrades.

Windows 11 Specifications - Microsoft

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June 25th, 2021 08:00

@Mary G   why do you think it won't work?

XPS 8500 is a problem because its 3rd gen

https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_xps_desktop/xps-8700_reference%20guide_en-us.pdf

 XPS 8700 can DO WIN8/10/11 because its a UEFI CLASS 2.3.1 windows 8 machine. Same hardware as Inspiron 3847,Optiplex 3020 7020 9020,

https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_xps_desktop/xps-8700_reference%20guide_en-us.pdf

It has Intel PTT in bios for TPM 2.0  You need 1 not both. So TPM 2.0 hardware or INTEL PTT BIOS functionality with Haswell 4th gen CPU or newer.

LATEST A14 bios may be needed before installing 11.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/hd-graphics-4600.c1953

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/80807/intel-core-i7-4790k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

Trusted Platform Module (TPM 2.0) - TPM 2.0 is a microcontroller that stores keys, passwords, and digital certificates. A discrete TPM 2.0 also supports Intel® vPro™ Technology and Intel® Trusted Execution Technology (Intel® TXT).

Intel PTT is a platform functionality for credential storage and key management used by Windows 8* and Windows® 10. Intel PTT supports BitLocker* for hard drive encryption and supports all Microsoft requirements for firmware Trusted Platform Module (fTPM) 2.0.

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/enterprise-security-platform-trust-technology-white-paper.pdf

WIN8.0 machines from 2012 on with Haswell 4th gen Intel processor can support 10 and 11 because

1. Onboard Intel Graphics can do dIrectx 12.

2. Intel PTT can be used for the TPM 2.0 requirement.

3. OEM 10 media works fine for the majority of the hardware and doesn't require a Key to install it just works. Once these DVDs are gone however they will never be seen again so I suggest buying one NOW.

https://www.newegg.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-64-bit-reinstall-recovery-disc-only-no-license-key-included/p/N82E16832350238

Windows 10 21H1 Supported AMD Processors Supported Intel Processors

 

   

Processor:

1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC)

RAM:

4 gigabyte (GB)

Storage:

64 GB or larger storage device

Note: See below under “More information on storage space to keep Windows 11 up-to-date” for more details.

System firmware:

UEFI, Secure Boot capable

TPM:

Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0 INTEL PTT

Graphics card:

Compatible with DirectX 12 or later with WDDM 2.0 driver

Display:

High definition (720p) display that is greater than 9” diagonally, 8 bits per color channel 1280 X 720 MONITOR

Internet connection and Microsoft accounts: 

Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use.

Switching a device out of Windows 11 Home in S mode also requires internet connectivity. Learn more about S mode here.

For all Windows 11 editions, internet access is required to perform updates and to download and take advantage of some features. A Microsoft account is required for some features.

 

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June 25th, 2021 09:00

@speedstep  Check out the compatible processor list for Windows 11.  The oldest processors listed are 8th Gen. Coffee Lake.

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June 25th, 2021 10:00

@Jon-62 Compatible processors are listed here. I was mistaken that there are older processors.

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64 Bit UEFI GPT is required as well as Secure Boot Capable but it is NOT required that secure boot be on.

DirectX 12 WHQL 64 bit Drivers are required.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/minimum-hardware-requirements-overview

https://download.microsoft.com/download/7/8/8/788bf5ab-0751-4928-a22c-dffdc23c27f2/Minimum%20Hardware%20Requirements%20for%20Windows%2011.pdf

What Dell model computers have a TPM / Intel PTT?
Latitude 13, All E Series, XT2, XT2 XFR, XT3,

Latitude 13, Latitude 10
OptiPlex - All systems from the 60 series and beyond (560, 760, 960)
Precision Mobile - All systems from the X400 series and beyond (M2400, M4400, M6400)


Precision WorkStation - All systems from the X500 series and beyond (T3500, T5500, T7500)


XPS and Alienware – Ultrabooks and currently shipping models


Vostro – All systems from X20 series and beyond (1220, 1320, 1520, 1720)


Venue - All
Some Latitude, XPS, and Inspiron systems ship with the Intel PTT

TPM 2.0 can be satisfied by Hardware or Software.

You do not need BOTH Intel PTT BIOS firmware or TPM 2.0 Discrete hardware.

You can have one or the other but not both at the same time both HARDWARE TPM and BIOS PTT cannot be enabled at the same time.


Tap the F2 key when the Dell logo appears to enter the BIOS


Expand the "Security" section, click "PTT Security", and select Intel Platform Trust Technology


NOTE: If PTT is greyed out as well, re-enable PTT by disabling Intel Trusted Execution under Virtualization Support.

Windows 10 for example works fine on Optiplex 3020 7020 9020 also Optiplex XE2.

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000122023/optiplex-9020-windows-10-driver-pack

It has windows 8 secure boot and INTEL PTT TPM 2.0

Intel HD, HD 4200/4400/4600/5000/5100/5200/5300/5500 graphics drivers

The Intel HD Graphics 4600 (GT2) is a processor graphics card included in some of the Haswell processors 4th Gen and later.

The HD Graphics 4600 integrated graphics solution by Intel. Built on the 22 nm process, and based on the Haswell GT2 graphics processor, the device supports DirectX 12

3rd Gen Ivy Brige GT2 is an issue due to DirectX 11, Shader 5.0

Intel PTT is a platform functionality for credential storage and key management used by Windows 8 and Windows® 10. Intel PTT supports BitLocker for hard drive encryption and supports all Microsoft requirements for firmware Trusted Platform Module (fTPM) 2.0.

One of the takeaways is UEFI GPT is required and 64 Bit os is Required. Legacy CSM and MBR are not allowed for Windows 11.

So secure boot and PTT as TPM and 64 Bit WHQL goes back to WIN8 in 2012. Intel. Haswell GT2 supports DirectX 12


https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/enterprise-security-platform-trust-technology-white-paper.pdf

HD Graphics 4200 Haswell GT2 System Shared 200 MHz System Shared 160 / 20 / 2
HD Graphics 4400 Haswell GT2 System Shared 200 MHz System Shared 160 / 20 / 2
HD Graphics 4600 Haswell GT2 System Shared 400 MHz System Shared 160 / 20 / 2
HD Graphics 5000 Haswell GT3 System Shared 200 MHz System Shared 320 / 40 / 4
Iris Graphics 5100 Haswell GT3 System Shared 200 MHz System Shared 320 / 40 / 4
Iris Pro Graphics 5200 Haswell GT3e System Shared 200 MHz System Shared 320 / 40 / 4
TPM Type TPM Modes New Firmware Available Supported Platforms
OLDER TPMs (Multi-Vendor) 1.2 No All systems up to the Skylake processor generation
Nuvoton 650 (aka 65x) 1.2, 2.0 Yes (1.3.2.8 for 2.0 Mode and 5.81.2.1 for 1.2 Mode) Latitude xx70/xx80, Precision xx10/xx20, OptiPlex xx40/xx50, Precision Txx10/Txx20
Nuvoton 750 (aka 75x) 2.0 Yes (7.2.0.2) Latitude xx90, Precision xx30, OptiPlex xx60, Precision Txx30
Intel PTT 2.0 No (Part of BIOS) Dell Consumer system models and some Latitude/XPS tablets
STMicro 2.0 No (Current is 74.8.17568.5511) Latitude xx00 (generation 10)

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Ran out of time

If you have a better understanding of the requirements than I do please post your findings.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/dx12/#supported-gpus

Windows 10 2004 compatible devices include Dell XPS
Compatible Dell brands and models include Alienware, Inspiron, XPS, and Vostro desktops and notebooks.
For any device to appear in the list, Dell must have tested it for Windows 10 2004 support.

https://www.dell.com/support/article/en-us/SLN297954

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000180684/dell-computers-tested-for-windows-10-october-2020-update-and-previous-versions-of-windows-10#bs_build-21H1

@RoHe 

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements

UEFI Secure Boot Enabled changed to Required.

Users will not be happy about that.

WHQL is now WHCP

https://aka.ms/whcp

software and hardware products that are compatible with Windows and run reliably on Windows 10, Windows 11 and Windows Server 2022.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/windows_hardware_certification/

Windows 11, version 21H2 based systems may ship with drivers that have achieved compatibility with Windows 10, version 2004 until September 24, 2021.

aka

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000109785/dell-command-deploy-driver-packs-for-optiplex-models

 

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https://download.microsoft.com/download/7/8/8/788bf5ab-0751-4928-a22c-dffdc23c27f2/Minimum%20Hardwar...

These are not 8th GEN but they do Support DirectX 12

Optiplex 3040   2015  Skylake

Intel® Pentium® Processor G4400 CPU / 3.3 GHz
Chipset Type Intel H110 Express
LGA1151 Socket


https://www.ebay.com/itm/164234743378

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/graphics/88351/intel-hd-graphics-510.html

Model
number
Cores


Freq GPU
model
Socket
 
Core i3-6098P 2 (4) 3.6 GHz HD Graphics 510 LGA 1151
Core i3-6100 2 (4) 3.7 GHz HD Graphics 530 LGA 1151
Core i3-6300 2 (4) 3.8 GHz HD Graphics 530 LGA 1151
Core i3-6320 2 (4) 3.9 GHz HD Graphics 530 LGA 1151

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September 16th, 2021 14:00

Despite what @speedstep has implied, the XPS 8700 does not have any BIOS settings related to PTT (or TPM). His/Her information is based on reading the manual, which is incorrect.  I have an XPS 8700 with the most current BIOS, and the settings on the security page of the BIOS described in the manual simply are not there. It's possible these settings once existed on a pre-release or early BIOS, but not now.

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