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September 4th, 2020 01:00
XPS 8930, RTX 3080 compatible?
Hi Everyone,
Following the NVIDIA RTX 30 series reveal event, I think of upgrading my XPS 8930's GPU to the RTX 3080. I know I'll need to upgrade my PSU (since I currently have the original 460W PSU), but I'm also concerned about heat buildup. The problem is that the 3rd party designs revealed so far don't have any rear-blower designs, only open-air ones. However, it does seem that the FE will have a sort of open-air/rear-blower mix design, as can be seen in this photo:
What do you think? Will it be enough?
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k412white
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October 8th, 2020 04:00
I will next week as I won’t be near my pc til then. The swing arm is in the way with very little clearance; however I have not seen any throttling as of yet. 3 of my fans are blowing directly on that area though.
HanoverB
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October 8th, 2020 07:00
I found the @GTS81 thread on the measurements of the RTX 3080 FE into the chassis.
Good pics there. Take a look at them.
He said even the slim fan inside the case at lower intake might not work from this pic....
if so, his suggestion of moving the slim fan behind the front bezel is certainly possible just using mouilding tape.
That fan should not budge.
This fan pictured is centered on the radiator.
For front intake to the GPU area and to introduce airflow into the case to balance case pressure, just centering the fan to the grillwork is all you would need.
That Noctua slim fan should fit around the bump at the grill. I did trim one of the fan legs as you can see on the pics above. That shoudn't be necessary. Take off the corner pads, put the tape on there and you should be set. Then trim some of the plastic pin off the front bezel and should be fine.
Wait till you see @k412white pics from his install with CPU liquid cooling and his fan setup. I only know a couple of ways to liquid cool this CPU, at upper front intake and the LP AIO by Corsair that sits on the CPU from the cooling thread. Maybe he found another way.
Perhaps he can post some numbers from a GPU stress test like 3Dmark to see temps in the case or we can wait for numbers from the Alienware side.
From @GTS81 post and @Anonymous pic it looks like two paths of airflow through that card, one for the VRM next to the PSU bracket and one for the chip near the rear that exhausts air out of the back.
This case was airflow stressed even with the blower card so interesting to see how this works out.
Thanks guys for that info.
Solid performer for the price. I can see why a high end system and PSU is recommended. Total System power consumption with i9 10900K from this review Temps were reported to be 77C after playing F1 2020 for an hour.
k412white
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October 10th, 2020 13:00
k412white
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October 10th, 2020 13:00
cable management needs work but that she blows.
k412white
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October 10th, 2020 13:00
I am going to redo wires but here it is
k412white
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October 10th, 2020 14:00
@RoHe @GUY1701 @HanoverB @Anonymous @speedstep
GTS81
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October 10th, 2020 17:00
*still being salty running notifier.py*
HanoverB
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October 10th, 2020 21:00
@k412white
I like!! Nice work installing the AIO in that location, that should keep your CPU temps under control. Worthwhile mod. . I don't see a pic of what's under the PSU, which 120mm AIO did you use in your install?
Tight fit with the GPU but it looks like it does fit with that slim fan inside the case. Yikes, just a few mm to spare!
Because of the AIO on the CPU, airflow just might be be okay with those front intake fans. The CPU temps should stay stable even with the heat from the GPU since the radiator is drawing in cooler air as intake. The Alienware does use the AIO in an exhaust position and GPU heat might be a factor.
Any issues having to turn the GPU at an angle to get it fit in. Easy to remove as well if necessary?
The PSU bracket and arm is blocking the airflow up through the right side of that GPU, so how are GPU temps under load?
k412white
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October 11th, 2020 04:00
I did want to do an exhaust config on the aio but the best fan is the upper exhaust. I do however have push pull slim noctuas on the radiator. As far as card fit it goes in front first but nothing was done to force it. Just slow and steady. I was really worried about temps at first but it maintains normal levels throughout. When I put it in what I call gaming mode I ramp the fans and the thing sounds like a Hoover. I don’t mind because I am always wearing headphones. The top fan is a pwm full size 120mm noctua. I removed the 90mm braccket and drilled holes to match mount size. I’ll send a pic later of the swing arm up.
HanoverB
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October 11th, 2020 09:00
@k412white
Good info.
With those nice fans you chose to use for the AIO install and for the airflow inside the case, the loudest fan in the case will be the GPU. Because I had a GPU AIO also, the machine was very quiet even under extreme loads. Even with the case swapped machines, the GPU fan is typically the loudest fan in the case.
If you are hearing the hoover effect, is it because the GPU is struggling to maintain temps or maybe the acoustics from the fan blowing air up against the PSU bracket? Is that hot air coming from the top of the card causing an issue? There are few reports on 3080 temps on the Alienware side, but reviews are showing FE idle temps at 36C and only 76C under load in a stress loop. It seems to run a lot cooler than the older cards.
What are your GPU temps in the case?
Also from acoustic testing in that review, that GPU should not be any louder than the RTX 2080 Turing line and is quieter than the GTX 1080 Pascal line.
From that review
"The new cooling design looks awesome and 'it just works'. It has made the product 'overall' more quiet. In extremely stressed conditions, we did hit 38 dBA though, but still, that is considered a quiet to normal acoustic level. Depending on the level of airflow inside your chassis, expect the card to sit in the 75~80 Degrees C range temperature-wise under hefty load conditions. As FLIR shows, the top side of the card shows substantial heat bleeding though."
Was the GPU you replaced louder than the FE card you just installed?
HanoverB
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October 11th, 2020 11:00
@k412white
I did link your nice AIO install here on that cooling thread so it doesn't get lost.
Head over and post your pic there as well with the swing arm up.
k412white
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October 11th, 2020 16:00
The card fan barely runs. I manually crank the fan to high and let the four decide on its own. They definitely run cooler than old ones. I was able to get a strong 2015 OC with it and the most the card Ramps to is 50%.
k412white
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October 11th, 2020 16:00
Mistype. I manually crank the case fans up. I run the card at steady 2015mghz with auto fan that never goes above 50% fan speed and oc the i9 to a steady 5.1.
k412white
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October 11th, 2020 17:00
Yes I’m in hvac and I cut a large heat sink and thermal epoxied to them.
k412white
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January 3rd, 2021 17:00
It’s enough. XPS 8930, rtx 3080, multiple noctua upgrades, aio conversion(fresh air), slight modification of the case.