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May 24th, 2002 17:00

Emergency Boot Floppy

Problem: When I boot with an emergency boot floppy I can't access the hard drive

Background: I'm revisiting backup procedures for my small office, and realizing that I can't find boot floppies for the PC's in the office. In re-creating and testing them, I've discovered that none of the floppies that I create for my Dell systems will allow me to see the hard drive when I boot with them. Oddly, those created on the Gateway systems in the office will see the hard drive. Two of the Dell's are XPS R450 (Pentium II 450Mhz) running Win 95 OSR2. The other Dell is L600cx (Celeron 600Mhz) running Win98SE. One Gateway is a Pentium II 400Mhz running Win95 OSR2 and the other Gateways are older Pentium systems running the original Win95. Also, I've tried creating the boot floppies two ways. First was through the Windows facility for creating them, and second was from scratch (creating bootable floppy and putting appropriate files on it by hand). Both floppies have the same symptoms.

Questions: In the event I really need the boot floppies, is it important that I can't see the hard drive at this point? If so, how do I create a boot floppy that will work?

Thanks for your help!

Michael Blatt

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May 24th, 2002 17:00

Once you boot to the floppy, are you changing the directory from A:\ to C:\?

At the A:\ prompt, typ cd C:\ and press Enter. You may have to repeat this, but it should eventually get you to a C:\ prompt, which is your hard drive.

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May 24th, 2002 18:00

Actually, I have files for cd-rom support (and two cd drives on the system at my desk). When I boot, the last message on the screen tells me that the first cd is assigned c:\ and the second is assigned d:\

Also, I did just try cd c:\ (and cd d:\ and cd b:\). All of them, including many multiple tried (20+ with F3 key) just returned me to the A: prompt.

What I had been doing to check for the presence of the hard drive was "dir c:". This gives me a list of files in the first cd (if I insert a disk after boot). If I try dir e:, I get an 'invalid drive specification' error.

Thanks!

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May 24th, 2002 19:00

If the Hard Drive is using doublespace you won't see it as you need to load the drivers and emulation in the autoexec.bat and config.sys files and this is for the W95 PC. The W98SE PC should not do this unless you have an upgrade that took you from Win 3.1 to W98 or W95 up and that drive was also using doublespace. Did you make the boot disks on the PC's you are trying to boot? This is important if you have things like doublespace that another PC will not include in your boot disk as it would if you made it from the PC that you will be booting. I hope this helps .......
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May 24th, 2002 20:00

Thanks for the clarification. I can get to the C: and D: drives (the two cd-rom drives) by following your instructions. But I still get the 'invalid drive specification' when I try the same thing with E: and F: (cd e:\ e: ).

If it makes any difference, I could always see the contents of the cd drives just by doing a 'dir c:' from the a: prompt, even without doing the 'cd c:\' command. And I could always log on to the c: and d: drives without doing the 'cd' command first (just by typing 'c:').

I also just tried booting without cdrom support. No changes in the results. Hard drive still invisible ('invalid drive specification' no matter what drive letter i use).

Any further ideas?

Thanks!


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May 24th, 2002 20:00

mblatt wrote:
- Also, I did just try cd c:\ (and cd d:\ and cd b:\).
- All of them, including many multiple tried (20+
- with F3 key) just returned me to the A: prompt.




Your C:\ or hard drive letter apparently changes to something else when you boot to the floppy - probably E:\, if, as you say, your CD-ROM drives are occupying C:\ and D:\. As I mentioned in the first post, you may have to repeat this sequence (I do, under Windows ME, but not Win98), but you need to change the directory (which is what "cd" means, in this instance - change directory) to whatever drive letter your hard drive now has. You should then be able to run dir for a directory of that drive.

Example:

A:\(type) cd X:\ (Where "X" is the hard drive) - press Enter. You'll probably get another A: prompt. Type X: (omitting the "cd", the space, and the \ you typed the first time) and press Enter here, and it should get you to the hard drive. The reason you got "invalid drive specification" is because you have not yet changed to the drive you're looking for (i.e."X:\"), or to one which actually has a directory to view.

You can also save some boot time and grief by selecting "Boot with out CD-ROM support" (assuming you have no need for them), - this narrows down the number of options you'll have to wade through to do what you want to do, in some instances. Selecting "Without CD ROM support" may affect what drive letter your hard drive gets in DOS, though, so keep this in mind, if you select this option.

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May 24th, 2002 21:00

Thanks for the suggestions. All of the Dell systems are running the OS they came with (no upgrades or re-installs). And I don't believe any are running doublespace (what's the best way to tell if they are?).

The bootdisks came from the systems they're trying to boot.

Any other thoughts? CMOS settings?

Thanks!

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May 28th, 2002 18:00

I figured out that the problem was being caused by having GoBack installed

Thanks again!!

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May 28th, 2002 18:00

I figured out that the problem was because I had GoBack installed.

Thanks again!!

Goonboy wrote:
- mblatt wrote:
-- Also, I did just try cd c:\ (and cd d:\ and cd b:\).
-- All of them, including many multiple tried (20+
-- with F3 key) just returned me to the A: prompt.

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- Your C:\ or hard drive letter apparently changes to
- something else when you boot to the floppy -
- probably E:\, if, as you say, your CD-ROM drives are
- occupying C:\ and D:\. As I mentioned in the first
- post, you may have to repeat this sequence (I
- do, under Windows ME, but not Win98), but you need
- to change the directory (which is what "cd"
- means, in this instance - change
- directory) to whatever drive letter your hard
- drive now has. You should then be able to run
- dir for a directory of that drive.
-
- Example:
-
- A:\(type) cd X:\ (Where "X" is the hard
- drive) - press Enter. You'll probably get another
- A: prompt. Type X: (omitting the "cd", the
- space, and the \ you typed the first time) and press
- Enter here, and it should get you to the hard drive.
- The reason you got "invalid drive specification" is
- because you have not yet changed to the drive you're
- looking for (i.e."X:\"), or to one which actually
- has a directory to view.
-
-
- You can also save some boot time and grief by
- selecting "Boot with out CD-ROM support"
- (assuming you have no need for them), - this narrows
- down the number of options you'll have to wade
- through to do what you want to do, in some
- instances. Selecting "Without CD ROM support" may
- affect what drive letter your hard drive gets in
- DOS, though, so keep this in mind, if you select
- this option.
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